In THE THOUGHTLESSNESS OF THE STANDARD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RESPONSE — PART 1, we dissected the assertions made in a comment. In THE THOUGHTLESSNESS OF THE STANDARD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RESPONSE — PART 2, we argued that two wrongs don’t make a right. Here we will conclude our series of posts.
Conclusion
We first considered sklyjd’s comment in Conspiracy Privilege? We observed what insanitybytes22 had to say in her post. Note again her key observations.
- Some people do conspire to do awful things. taking over countries, sex trafficking, genocide, espionage, bank robbery, terrorism, and so forth.
- Most people don’t have to imagine conspiracy theories. They are too often the victims of them.
- Privileged people have the luxury of laughing off conspiracy theories.
- Too many people don’t care.
Why don’t people care?
- Some of us are lazy. We just want to mind our own business, and we think everyone else ought to do the same.
- Some of us are afraid. Some of us are more afraid of bad people than we are of God, our Creator.
- Some of us benefit from the conspiracies. If bad people are selling you cheap goods made from slave labor, what is wrong with slave labor? How much do you want to think about that? If your cheap labor is sneaking across the border, what is wrong with illegal immigration? Why not look the other way?
- Some of us are waiting for someone else to do something. We have the most “humble” of attitudes. Instead of doing what we can, we do nothing.
- Most of us have not been taught what our obligations to each other are and how to fulfill those obligations. So, we blame the public schools. Meanwhile, we send our children to receive their education in schools that just continue worsen.
- And so forth. The excuses innumerable, but the excuses all have one thing in common. Almost none of us love our neighbor as we love our self, and not one of us loves God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. Without love, we have too little incentive to care.
So, what can we do? What if we at least care a little bit? Then it will be easier to do a little bit if we can envision what that little bit looks like. That is, it is much easier to do what is wise when we have learned a little wisdom. But even a little wisdom has to be earned.
James 1:5-8 New Living Translation
5 If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. 6 But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. 7 Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.
To receive wisdom from God, we must make a commitment to use it. Some how, some way we must commit our self to doing the right thing the right way. We must strive to obey the commandments of God because we love Him. Such commitment to doing what is right is not an easy thing. God requires us to put His desires ahead of our own. God requires us to equate the needs of our neighbor with our own needs.
Consider Jordan Peterson’s struggle.
Is there an alternative? Considering the difference between loving your neighbor and the alternative. What if we love our self above all else?
Tyranny is making choices for others that those others have the right to make for themselves. What are those choices? In a free country we debate such matters. In a tyrannical state the tyrant decides. In a free country, we humbly admit that none of us have the either the wisdom or the right to run the lives of people who know their own situation better than we do. In a tyrannical state, the prideful tyrant claims that in the name of “social justice” (which is injustice) he must run everything.
God has given us a choice to worship Him. Satan, in his pride, insists we worship him, and he has filled the world with little devils, even human devils, to ensure our obedience. If we love each other, and that is the hard choice, we will defend each other’s right to choose God. That includes defending our children’s choice to choose to love God with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength. Shouldn’t we at least love our own children?
Where do we start? Do we love anyone besides our self? Why not? Each of us is made in the image of God. The Bible tells us about God. The Bible tells us what God is like, and the Bible tells us that God loves us. Perhaps, if each of strives to see what Godly in our family, friends, neighbors and countrymen, we will begin to love our neighbor because we see a bit of God in him. Perhaps, if we strive to be Godly, our neighbor will care about us. God knows.
Our duty is to love and serve our Maker. Whether we love and obey or not, each of us is still belongs to Him. What happens to us is for Him to choose.
Citizen Tom 
You get patience points tom for your dismantling of Club’s perpetual gripes. She reminds me of Goliath of Gath, an unbeliever who goads good people with nonsense.
She really doesn’t make much effort to be logical.
Reblogged this on clydeherrin.
it’s always great to see someone mention Peterson, a classic little boy who is a misogynist, failed psychologist, etc.
As always, poor Tom, and the rest of the failed QOP have no evidence for their lies about the conspiracies they’ve invented. All he has is the false claim that since these things do happen, then their lies about democrats doing them simply must be true.
“Our duty is to love and serve our Maker. Whether we love and obey or not, each of us is still belongs to Him. What happens to us is for Him to choose.”
oh dear, poof goes free will and the lies of christians. Happily, no one belongs to Tom’s ignorant and imaginary god.
Because there is a right choice, there is no free choice?
Because we belong to God, He has not given us a choice?
Since christians can’t agree on what their god wants, there is no “right” choice at all.
Again, Tom, with an omnipotent god interfering there is no other choice. There is just what this god wants. Your bible repeatedly says that this god’s will controls everything. IF this god set things in motion, and knows what will happen since it has chosen that way, we have no choice.
Yeah! Sure!
The fact God knows what your choice will be doesn’t mean you don’t have a choice. The problem with free will is the benefit of free will. We can only choose what we want to choose even if that choice is wrong.
ROFL. Oh dear. Nope, it doesn’t work that way, dear, since your bible says that this god intentionally made things as they are, so there is no choice in a deterministic world that your god made. If it has to end in the silly “end times” nothing can change it, and thus no choice at all.
Really? Then because I am a Christian I already know everything that is going to happen. I can just sit on my butt and wait on God.
Of course we either love and obey God, or we don’t. God knows everything, but we don’t. So, from our perspective, we have a choice. The fact God ordained the outcome from the beginning does not change that fact.
Frankly, since you are an Atheist it is far more likely that you think your choices don’t matter than I do. So, your criticism is absurd.
You want to ROFL? Ridiculing people just because they don’t think you are god is a ridiculous way to spend your time. Better to sit on your butt and do nothing.
Well, Tom, yep, you can, at least per some Chrsitains, since you poor dears can’t agree on that either. I didn’t say you know everything, just your god.
You christens also can’t agree on how to love or obey this god, since you can’t agree on what laws you are to follow. Since not one of you can know which version is the right one, per your own claim “God knows everything, but we don’t. “you do have quite a problem. You are all flailing around in the dark. You have no choice at all being given none, not even the “truth” to any of you.
Happily, my choices matter. I do have an illusion of free will, but since I can’t know what all has influenced me, I make the best choices I can.
I ridicule liars like you dear, not the ignorant who aren’t willfully so. Theist lies cause real harm. I stand against your garbage that gets real people killed. But again, thanks for more false claims about me.
Since it seems appropriate, I will rebut another one of your points.
Do you actually discern what is truth based upon some arbitrary definition of consensus? Of course not.
Because we have so much trouble agreeing upon the “truth”, we have that discipline we call Philosophy. Unfortunately, even Philosophy does not have the answer to solve the problems created by all our disagreements. For various reasons, each of us wants to believe what we want to believe.
You think yourself someone special. You have the TRUTH, your TRUTH. You think that TRUTH entitles you to run around calling other people liars and ridiculing them. Perhaps you even picture yourself as a beautiful cat toying with a mouse, and you are thrilled by the power you have over that mouse. Your TRUTH is delusional.
You have no power. You are just like most people. You are hurt and wounded and full of guilt because of those you have hurt and wounded. You too need a Savior, but you are too proud to admit it. You will not have peace — you will not allow yourself any peace — until you repent and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness.
ROFL. Oh dear. Nope, I don’t take truth by consensus. That’s what Christians do. They come up with a “truth” and then a bunch of other christians cluster around and insist that this is the only “truth”. Then another Christian does the same thing and another bunch of people insist that this version is the “truth”.
alas, you have no truth, just a bunch of ignorant people insisting that they and they alone know how to “interpret” another bunch of ignorant people, and poor Christians, their god never comes to tell them which is the right version.
So we have billions of Christians who have no idea what they are doing, but all convinced that only they deserve heaven.
Philosophy is the same thing, one person comes up with an idea and then a cluster is sure that this is the one truth. Then we have another person with another idea. Watching Christians is like watching followers of Ayn Rand.
“For various reasons, each of us wants to believe what we want to believe.”
You and your fellow theists do this and not one of you has any truth, dear Tom.
Happily, nope, not everyone runs around claiming that they and they alone have the truth. Many of us are smarter than that.
I have power in something, and nope, no guilt or hurt or wounds, just the lies of a Christian trying to convince himself so. Your fantasies desperately created to pretend other people are less than you fail, Tom.
No one needs your “Savior” or you, which seems to be the heart of the matter. Why would I repent, since I have no idea what I’m supposed to repent of, since again, this god tells no one anything.
No guilt? And you call me a liar?
Okay, dear Tom, show how you can show I supposedly have “guilt”. You made the claim, now support it: “You have no power. You are just like most people. You are hurt and wounded and full of guilt because of those you have hurt and wounded. You too need a Savior, but you are too proud to admit it. You will not have peace — you will not allow yourself any peace — until you repent and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness.”
This should be fun. Are you psychic, Tom? Can you read minds? Then you should be able to give names and dates/times of these people you’ve claimed I’ve “hurt”. Gee, then you can tell exactly what I’m thinking now, right?
Tom is unfortunately a fraud who shows that he doesn’t think through his claims and comments. He makes baseless claims about others, ignoring his god when he finds it convenient.
clubschadenfreude,
Do you think it is all about you? It is not. All of us are imperfect, and we do things we should not do. Everyone has sinned.
Does everyone feel guilt? I suppose it is possible you may feel no guilt. You may be utterly shameless. Since I try to think the best of people, that possibility did not immediately occur to me. Given the handle and the picture you have chosen to identify yourself, I suppose I should have considered the possibility. But it is an unlikely possibility.
Anyway, I don’t claim to be psychic. Are you shameless, or do you have guilt you don’t know how to release? Whichever is the case, you are barking up the wrong. My “fraud” is to suggest you take your problem to God, not me.
Happily, few things are about me and now Tom has to make more false claims about me.
Nope, not everyone has sinned and since christians can’t agree on what this god considers a sin, you again are just flailing about, accusing others of not agreeing with what *you* consider a “sin”.
Tom still can’t support his lies about me having “guilt”, etc, This is nothing new. His lies “You are hurt and wounded and full of guilt because of those you have hurt and wounded. You too need a Savior, but you are too proud to admit it. You will not have peace — you will not allow yourself any peace — until you repent and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness.”
are rather sad since i do have peace and he must desperately hope I don’t. I do love how he keeps digging himself deeper in his lies, again showing he has no more concern about his god than I do. I do enjoy the desperate fishing around to get me to agree with his lies.
Happily, I have no problem despite Tom’s lies. Even if I did, why would I take it to an imaginary petty god that Tom has created in his own image?
Given your behavior – you did pick the right word to describe what you are after — it is strange that you expect your virtuous pose to be taken seriously.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/schadenfreude
You have problems in spades, and that is obvious.
yep, I picked schadenfreude because I do enjoy watching people like you fail because of your own actions.
I also picked it because Christians do love to lie about what I say and do. If they would read my intro on my blog, they’d know why I chose “Club Schadenfreude” as the blog’s name. Here’s the pertinent snippet.
“I also get a great amount of pleasure and satisfaction from those who suffer from their own willful ignorance, greed, bigotry, selfishness or arrogance. Hence, Schadenfreude. Unfortunately, they tend to make the rest of us suffer too. ”
I do enjoy that you try to change the subject, Tom, when your lies about me fail.
It must be a big ego trip the judge, jury, and executioner. It is ironic you are accusing those you would make your victims of willful ignorance, greed, bigotry, selfishness or arrogance. You looking for a job in a totalitarian state?
alas, no executioner here, Tom. That’s what christians did to nonchrsitians and still try to do to them.
Funny how I can show that you and your fellow christians are willfully ignorant, greedy, bigotted, selfish and arrogant. Care to watch me?
Your lies get tiresome. No. You would just cut and paste a bunch of nonsense until our host tired of it.
It is no secret that that Christian churches are full of sinners, some have been reborn, and some have not. Those who have been reborn for the most part know better than to point to themselves and say, “I am a good person.” We have turned to Jesus because we know we need a Savior.
So, prove all you want. What you cannot do is prove you are any better. Have fun with that.
Do show where I’ve lied, Tom.
I’ll be waiting.
Yep, christian churches are nothing special, and each one is sure that they have the only right version. z
I’m quite a bit better than those who have to create excuses for their genocidal child killer who tells slaves to never seek their freedom.
I think you are confusing free will with getting what you want. When we come to a fork in the road, if we can freely choose which road we want to take, then we have a free choice. You are demonstrating that there is a free choice. But the two roads do have different outcomes.
Nope, not at all, Tom, and unsurprisingly you can’t support your claim.
Christians have a problem with their supposedly omnipotent god. With that god interfering, there are no other outcomes.
An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God cannot figure out a way to give his creations free will? Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?
Stories help us to understand things. Hence we the story of Adam and Eve. What was the sin of Adam and Eve? They failed to love, trust, and obey God. They had the choice of loving God, trusting Him, and obeying Him, but that is not what they did.
Today you and I have the same choice. You can deny the choice is real, but your denial is just an excuse. Adam and Eve made excuses too. Useless!
Yep, evidently a omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent god can’t do this per your bible, Tom. It can’t even be shown to be those things *in* your bible, with its constant ignorance and failure. Hmm, how does a omni-everything god fail so pitifully in Eden? IF it is all of these things, it then would have had to intentionally allowed Satan into the garden. Why would it do that?
Alas, Adam and Eve did not fail at all. Your god did since it made Adam and Eve amoral and never intended to give them morality, which would inform them that disobeying was wrong. They had no reason to love or trust or obey this god at all. Demanding that someone loves, trust and obeys requires a reason to do so. Your god failed in presenting one. It should have known what would happen if Satan was in the garden, and per your own words, it required it to be there. Again no choice. Do tell what choice humans have against two unimaginably powerful beings, Tom.
your god is hilariously incompetent, Tom. Eve and Satan gave humans morality per your own myths.
Anger is not a good substitute for thought, but it seems you think it is. That makes debating you pointless. What you need, I guess, is psychological counseling. That is not my forte.
All the objections you raised have been rebutted by many others. Since your primary purpose is to issue streams of hurtful invective, I don’t seem much point in digging up the appropriate references for you on Internet. You can easily do it yourself. If you actually cared, you would.
I will point out the difficulty of satisfying your endless objections. You complain the all powerful God of the Bible doesn’t permit free will. Then when I point to Adam and Eve, you complain that God allowed them the choice between good and evil.
Could Adam and Eve have resisted the temptations of Satan? Have you not read the Book of Job?
Nice false claims, Tom. You have tried to lie and claim I’m angry as an excuse for yourself so you don’t have to address my points. You then also lie and claim I need “psychological counseling”. Always good to see a Christian choosing to bear false witness and ignore his god.
Unsurprisingly, despite your claim that the “objections” I’ve raised have been rebutted by others, you cannot show one instance of that. How curious, Tom. You then invent another false claim about me so you don’t have to show them, since you can’t. I have cared enough to read apologetics and they fail. I will posit that you know they do and that’s why you refuse to post any of these supposed rebuttals.
This god did not allow free will, and we see that in the story of Adam and Eve too. It’s curious that you evidently think I’ve not read the bible since this god gave no choice about good or evil. This god wanted humans amoral, and did its best to keep them that way, Tom. They were told that on pain of death they should not learn this information. There is no free will when a gun is pointed to your head by an omnipotent being. Then this god either couldn’t keep Satan out or intentionally allowed it in. Which was it, Tom?
Then we have two ignorant humans, who have no idea what good or evil mean, including that it is good or evil to obey or not. The two supposedly most powerful beings in reality give them different information that they cannot decipher. This happened intentionally thanks to this god who supposedly knew exactly what would happen. So, Tom, we have an issue with your god here: is it not omnipotent/omniscient or did it force Adam and Eve in to a situation it wanted?
Job has the knowledge of good and evil Your attempt to compare Adam and Eve to Job fails. I do love the book of Job. It shows your god showing off to Satan like a besotted school girl, and after this god is complicit in murder, he has to get back in Job’s good graces by offering him money and a “new” family. Would you accept a “new” family as payment, Tom? Your god acts like a mafia boss.
Tom IB
IB comment:” Loved your definition of tyranny, Tom, making choices for others that they have a right to make for themselves. Amen to that. “:
Politicians who refuse to allow parents school choice or vouchers in order to afford to send their children to private religious schools, even though politicians send their own kids to private schools (ex Obama, Biden) is, in my opinion, is a form of tyranny and hypocrisy of Democrats, who claim they better represent the poor and middle class.
Yet many Democrats refuse to support, perhaps because public school teacher unions are big contributors of their campaign funding.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
Couldn’t agree more.
Loved your definition of tyranny, Tom, making choices for others that they have a right to make for themselves. Amen to that.
Thank you.