Here we begin the first part of a two-part series.
Since we human beings never stop squabbling, I sometimes feel like that old fellow in the picture above. However, I know the wars won’t end after I am gone. It just that I sometimes wish that my crusades would end. I suppose that’s why our Lord gave us a sense of humor. From time-to-time we all need a good laugh, and this line gave me one.
Correction…true socialism has never been tried….the best they could do was state capitalism. chuqhttp://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249879
What is the appropriate response to that? Google “true socialism.” That will give you about 549,000 results (0.42 seconds). Even “true socialism has never been tried” will give you about 3,430 results (0.41 seconds). So, chuq’s (lobotero‘s) argument is a common one.
How did I respond?
True socialism actually has been tried, and it works well for ants, bees, some kinds of wasps,…. Socialism does not work for people.
How would we make true Socialism work for people? Well, the solution seems to be to indoctrinate the “workers” to behave like ants, bees, some kinds of wasps,…… Would that be true Socialism? Would it work? Well, the self-selected vanguard of the proletariat seem to like it, and it is what they keep trying to do.http://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249896
lobotero replied by insisting true socialism had never been tried on a national level. So, I observed the following.
It has not been attempted in the USA, but we have started down that road, and sensible people keep fighting Socialism.
However, Socialism has been tried repeatedly. Even the Pilgrims tried Socialism at Plymouth Rock. Fortunately for us, after half of them starved, they gave up on the idea. Others, Communists and the Nazis, have demonstrated what happens when Socialism is allowed to progress on a much larger scale. Socialism produced tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong, tens of millions of dead, and much sorrow.
The problem is what happens when we give our leaders the power required to redistribute our wealth. They abuse the power.http://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249896
lobotero partly agreed, but he persisted.
They do abuse the power on that we agree…..sorry but all those are not socialism…again only in meager minds. chuqhttp://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249906
So, I went back to my ant/bee/wasp analogy.
Wasps, ants, and bees don’t need a vanguard of the proletariat. They just do what they do by instinct (https://citizentom.com/2015/09/09/ant-democracy-how-do-ants-vote/), but I don’t think we need to envy them. Yet, a society that looks like a society of ants seems to be what Socialists want.http://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249897
lobotero still wasn’t buying it, of course.
Actually bees and ants work for a tyrant…the queen….sorry but that is not socialism…..this is getting tiresome. Have a nice evening…..chuqhttp://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249907
Well, at least lobotero wished me a nice evening. So, I tried again.
Actually, whether it is an ant colony, a beehive, or wasp nest, the queen doesn’t exercise tyrannical power, but that misunderstanding is typical. Ants, bees, and wasps respond to their instincts, not tyranny.
As a practical matter, an ant colony, a beehive, and a wasp nest each represent a single body woven together by instincts, chemical scents that they release to message each other, and probably other mechanisms we still don’t know about. In this view, drones and queens serve as reproductive organs.
Is there Socialism in this country? As most people understand the word, of course, there is.
Has “true Socialism” ever been implemented? No. Because “true Socialism” is not designed to work with human beings as they exist, “True Socialism” cannot work, not even in theory. We don’t have the capacity to make it work. So, your protestations are both ironic and absurd.
Communism, on the other hand, does work up to a point. Why? Because Socialism is a political ideology designed for angels, not humans, human beings must be forced to behave in accordance with the ideals of Socialism. Hence, Marx created the vanguard of the proletariat, a tyrant class, to force the proletariat to docilely accept a Socialist economic system and starve.http://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249915
Well, lobotero just doubled down.
Most people would not know a socialist if he bit them in the butt….. you are right it cannot work because the people care not for the country but rather selfish BS that does nothing to improve the nation….the hives sole purpose is to keep the queen ‘happy’…..the only absurdity is your debate on something you do not understand….chuqhttp://lobotero.com/2022/09/29/civics-the-lost-knowledge/#comment-249924
Here the debate ends. Nevertheless, I think a few more things need to be said. So, I decided upon this series.
Part 2: What Is The Ethical Difference Between True Socialism and True Capitalism?