WHAT SORT OF GOVERNMENT IS SUSTAINABLE? — PART 1

Recently we considered a series of questions (see UNSOLVED MYSTERIES: QUESTION 3). We took the same question, and we phrased it four ways. That is, we came up with a version of the question “designed” by Conservative Republicans to challenge the assumptions of a Liberal Democrat, another “designed” by Liberal Democrats to challenge a Conservative Republican, and two more “designed” by “Moderates” to make certain that they are getting the best deal. Those last two questions challenged the assumption that being a “Moderate” necessarily means that we are somehow more wise and more noble because of our “moderation.”

Here I would like to throw up a question that challenges everyone’s assumptions.

What sort of government is sustainable?

These days when we someone uses the word “sustainable” we usually think of environmental sustainability. That is, we don’t want the ecology of our environment to suffer under a greater load of pollutants than it can sustain. So, instead of dumping overwhelming quantities of industrial waste products directly into our environment, we try to come up with industrial practices that involve treating wastes in order to largely mitigate their toxicity or industrial practices that involve recycling both toxic waste products and finished products that are worn out.

We call effective waste treatment and recycling practices “sustainable,” but the word “sustainable” has been around for a while.

sustainable (adj.)1610s, “bearable,” from sustain + -able. Attested from 1845 in the sense “defensible;” from 1965 with the meaning “capable of being continued at a certain level.” Sustainable growth is recorded from 1965. Related: Sustainably.

Given the older meaning of the word “sustainable,” it is rather obvious why environmentalists adopted the word as their own. Nevertheless, we don’t want to forget the older meaning. Otherwise, the newer meaning will lose its proper context. We want what we do to be “sustainable” for the sake of people, not the environment.

So, what sort of government is sustainable? What are some of the questions we need to consider before we can properly answer that question?

What is the purpose of government?

Is the Preamble to the Constitution correct?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

What about these purposes?

  • Equalize the distribution of resources.
  • Perfect the People so as to make them better citizens.
  • Deliver essential services.
  • Provide employment and retirement income.
  • Provide food, clothing and shelter to the poor.
  • Make national economic decisions.
  • And so forth.

The purposes of government can be very comprehensive or quite limited. If a society choose to have a Capitalist economic system, for example. then government merely regulates commerce. On the other hand, if a society has a Socialist economic system, then government owns and operates all economic activity.

In practice, most modern societies have economic systems that are some sort of hybrid between Capitalism and Socialism. Much of the political debate involves the tug of war between those who advocate for Capitalism and those who promote Socialism.

How much government is economically sustainable?

Depending upon the purposes we choose for government, government will have to exercise more or less control over the distribution of the assets of society. Considering that much of the political debate involves the choice between Capitalism and Socialism, that raises a question. How much government is economically sustainable with respect to:

  • Spending
  • Taxation
  • Borrowing

When the people of a society choose unwisely, they can bankrupt their nation. https://usdebtclock.org/ currently shows that USA has a national debt of over $31 trillion dollars. Is that sustainable? Why, or why not? At what point does the national debt become unsustainable?

How much government control over the people is morally justifiable and sustainable?

Consider some of the different types of government.

  • Anarchy.
  • Little “r” republican.
  • Majoritarian rule.
  • Authoritarian.
  • Oligarchy.
  • Monarchy.
  • Totalitarian.

Of course, there are many types of government, but the object here is to get across the idea that different forms of government involve establishing different levels of control over the individual people of a society.

The desire of some people to rule over and control other people poses a moral problem. The more power we give the government, the less control individuals have over their own lives. Who do we belong to? Our self? Our government? God? Does it even matter who we belong to?

What is the tradeoff between allowing the people to manage themselves and government direction?

This is a practical problem. The issue is centralized versus decentralized management. Do people do a better job managing themselves or does government do a better job of managing the people? Are there some situations in which government needs to be in control and other situations where individuals should make their own choices? What criteria should we use in order to judge the matter?

How can the people exercise effective control over the government?

Presumably, most of us would not choose to live in a totalitarian state, but totalitarian states exist, and their formation is difficult to prevent. If we don’t want to live in a totalitarian state, how do we prevent the formation of one? Why should we do to prevent the formation of a totalitarian state?

Is the primary issue here leadership? Can we choose honorable leaders?

  • What makes a leader worthy of being honored with leadership responsibilities?
  • Are all men, even honorable men, susceptible to the temptations of power?
  • Can corrupt leaders corrupt the people they lead? Is the moral character of a society formed top-down or bottom-up?

Is the primary issue here about choosing the right system? Can we devise a system of government that prevents the formation of a totalitarian regime.

  • What form of government works best?
  • Are certain checks and balances necessary?
  • What has worked best in the past?

Is the primary issue here the character of the people — what we believe? Do Americans have the moral character necessary to rule themselves?

To Be Continued.

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  1. From reading the different goals and ambitions expressed in that preamble of the Constitution and from observing America as she is today, I would say that the founders fell pretty far short of achieving their ambitions for a new nation. In fact, from what they wrote in the preamble and what we see as we look around us, the founders didn’t come even close so it is very apparent to me, at least, that the present form of government was never sustainable and still isn’t because there are so many people working their tail ends off trying to blow it all to smithereens. And unless something happens to change human nature, I am certain that there is no government model at all, anywhere, that would ever be sustainable.

    1. America was what it was, and America is what it is.

      Ecclesiastes 2:18-23 New American Standard Bible

      18 So I hated all the fruit of my labor for which I had labored under the sun, because I must leave it to the man who will come after me. 19 And who knows whether he will be wise or a fool? Yet he will have control over all the fruit of my labor for which I have labored by acting wisely under the sun. This too is futility. 20 Therefore I completely despaired over all the fruit of my labor for which I had labored under the sun. 21 When there is a person who has labored with wisdom, knowledge, and skill, and then gives his legacy to one who has not labored for it; this too is futility and a great evil. 22 For what does a person get in all his labor and in his striving with which he labors under the sun? 23 Because all his days his activity is painful and irritating; even at night his mind does not rest. This too is futility.

      What we labor for in this world (“under the sun”) won’t last. That is why the Bible calls for us to store up our treasures in Heaven.

      Anyway, read my latest post. I did not intend it as a response to your comment, but I guess it is about the best I can do.

      1. I guess that is about the best response that anyone could provide. All earthly endeavor is in vain because the only thing that matters is our relationship to God and His Kingdom is not of this earth. There are no voting booths in heaven. God is not concerned with the politics of this world. Jesus’ message was not political but spiritual. That is why we suppose to have separation of church and state. Earthly government has nothing to do with heavenly government, America is a democratic republic. Heaven is a Kingdom. There is no relationship between the two.

        1. Best response? I don’t doubt that others have addressed this subject better, but I thank you for the compliment.

          All earthly endeavor is vain? No relationship between the two? No voting booths in Heaven. Well, we don’t elect God.

          You may wish to read ECCLESIASTES. It is a good book for us elderly folks, but it is best understood with a good commentary. Keep in mind that what we do under the sun is futile, and what we do under Heaven is not.

          Why are we down here?

          Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 New American Standard Bible

          13 The conclusion, when everything has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.

          God is the God of both Heaven and earth. The difference is that while we still live under the sun we can forget that God loves us and that he commands us to love our neighbor.

          What should good men do? We should do what God commanded our progenitor, Adam, to do. We should keep and protect what our Lord has given us. That includes the earth and all it contains.

          Government is the means we use to protect our family, friends, neighbors, and countrymen from those who behave as predators. Is it difficult make our government work? Yes, but that does not excuse us from trying.

          Read Roman 13:1-7. Then keep in mind that the man who wrote that passage had his head chopped off at the command of the emperor. We have it a lot easier than that.

          1. Those are sensible arguments and I appreciate the fact that you have not presented them as part of a political agenda. I have yet to be convinced that the argument, now used by both political parties in America, that the opposing party is always the enemy of the state and inherently evil is accurate. I wonder what happens when the government becomes the predator. Have you thought of this?

          2. The Constitution exists to prevent the Federal Government from becoming predatory. The best arguments are in the Federalist Papers.

            I am sure you are familiar with this quote.

            But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. — James Madison from The Federalist No. 51

            Is the opposing party sometimes the enemy of freedom? Well, we did have a Civil War because the Democratic Party insisted upon enslaving people and spreading slavery into the territories and free states.

            What about now? Think again about that quote from Madison. Consider Democratic Party politicians. Is it really that difficult to find examples of Democratic Party politicians flouting Constitutional checks on their power?

            It is apparent that all too many politicians think of themselves as angels who govern men and that they are doing us a big favor by ruling us, and that is especially true of Democrats.

            Unfortunately, there is a problem with Republicans when Democrats seize more power than they have any business having. Most Republicans are unwilling to undo constitutional damage Democrats have done. Trump did a bit to undo what Obama had done, but we are talking about decades of harm, not just eight years. Anyway, when Biden took office, he promptly reversed everything Trump had done. The damage Biden has done to the economy alone is sickening. Bidens promotion of the LGBTQ agenda ignores both the Constitution, statutory law, and biology.

            I could go on, but there is not any good reason you shouldn’t be able to figure this out on your own.

          3. Social Security and Medicare are designed to pit the old against the young. You just demonstrated how it works.

            Democrats have been accusing Republicans of trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare (throw granny off a cliff) for generations. That’s the same party — Democrats — that favors euthanasia (and abortion). And you are worried about Republicans?

          4. I fear a Republican shift to a more extreme Rightward ideological perspective as much as I fear a democrat move more to the extreme left. If either of those were to happen we would have our choice of a new Hitler or a new Stalin. And the Trump crowd is so insane they might actually bring one or the two about,.

          5. Did you actually listen to Biden and McCarthy’s prebuttal?
            https://citizentom.com/2022/09/04/an-angry-debate-over-the-soul-of-our-nation/

            Biden’s speech looked and sounded like production a fascist or a communist would have put together in the 1930’s.

            The funny thing is you keep condemning Donald Trump, the Democrat’s arch villain — their excuse for seizing ever more power, but you cannot point to anything Trump has done wrong. All you are doing is proving you want someone to hate.

          6. The government is, right now proving that Trump did something wrong, and anyone who observed the January 6th insurrection attempt knows instinctively that Trump has done something wrong and anyone who denies any of it is nothing but another of his cronies.

          7. I was at the so-called armed insurrection on Jan 6. I listened to Trump. Trump did not call for violence. He specifically called for a peaceful demonstration of support.

            The number of people where Trump spoke was humongous. The number who rioted at the Capitol was small, and they were not armed. No one died from any violence except one of the demonstrators (an unarmed woman) who was shot by the Capitol Police.

            The riot at the Capitol started before Trump finished his speech. No connection.

            Before the demonstration, Trump offered to provide troops to protect the Capitol. His offer was refused by the Democrats who were responsible for security, the mayor of Washington DC and the Speaker of the House.

          8. Have you seen any videos that show the size of the crowd?

            The number of people who attacked the Capitol was relatively small. Even the videos show that. The fact that they got in is weird, but the investigation is all about Trump, not the people who bungled security.

          9. I have written posts on this subject. There are thousands of videos. Cut and paste and you can make up whatever you want people to believe.

            You think ABC objective?

          10. Cameras do not lie and no, I do not like ABC … I just grabbed that one off the Internet …randomly …in fact I am not much of a TV or radio fan at all because all of them have devolved to more or less static with a commercial undertone and it all disgusts me. The only news that interests me today is market performance.

          11. I have a private client account and I do not know what they are doing. I just get a phone call once in awhile telling me how things are going and since available funds are always within reasonable ranges I could care less what they do.

          12. By the way, while we are at it,
            The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

            The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
            Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.
            After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
            The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
            The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
            The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
            The economy when into recession in Feb, 2019 and negative GDP growth rate of -3.45% in 2019/20.
            Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
            Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
            Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
            Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
            The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
            Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.
            There is a list of all the wonderful things your guy did while in office and I am not going to mention the fact that he stonewalled on pandemic vaccines long enough for a million Americans to die before he got off his ass and started the program to accelerate vaccine production.

          13. Given that Democrats were determined to lock down because of COVID-19, the economic stats are pretty good. The notion that Trump stonewall the COVID-19 vaccines doesn’t make sense.

          14. He spent fir first part of the pandemic telling us all how it was nothing to be concerned about, that it was no worse than the common cold and all that bs …and then after a million people had died from it, he got on the ball. Is your memory really that short?

          15. You sure are a great illustration of the effects of unrelenting propaganda.

            Trump set up the vaccines at a record pace. Before the election the Democrats poo-pooed the vaccines. After the election, the Democrats started trying to force everyone to take the vaccines, which was dumb. The vaccines were still experimental, and they don’t work any better than the flu vaccines.

            More people have died under Biden than Trump from COVID. Fact is there is not much the government can do about COVID. Panic is certainly a solution, but that is all the Democrats have to offer.

            We can only guess how many died because of the lockdowns.

          16. One of the reasons the vaccines were available as soon as they were available is because the basic research on them had been ongoing for years before the pandemic struck and they are as safe now as they ever were with millions of doses having already been administered with a very low negative reaction rate and it is the anti vaxxers that keep on spreading the disease. Believe what you want to believe and I am sure you will because it is apparent to me that you are unshakable in your thinking and totally unwilling to even consider something that scrapes against your predetermined and obviously locked-in biases, what I believe is a sure sign of brainwash. But you are free to believe what you want to believe because that is what America is about …and that is what America will always be about until the radical Right gets total power … and then things will change drastically.

          17. Trump is not a scientist. Trump facilitated the approval of the vaccines by helping the process move through the bureaucracy. New technology would have made that more difficult.

          18. In reference to your entry, “You sure are a great illustration of the effects of unrelenting propaganda.” I accept your analysis and rebut with, “You have presented the perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

          19. Social Security and Medicare are designed to buy the votes of old people (who vote) with the money of young people (who don’t vote). If you are 25 years old, and you think Social Security and Medicare are good investments for your old age, you have been educated in the socialist public education system.

          20. What you refer to as The Socialist Education system in the United States has served this nation well and has brought her to greatness in the world. From the sound of it, I doubt you have even the slightest inkling of what “Socialist” means. To call everything democrat “Socialist” is nothing but an old tried and true brainless assumption of the radical right.

          21. I never meant to imply that Public education is a private enterprise and if I gave that impression, I apologize. I know that public education is a gift to the people of those “Socialists” that you like to throw around all the time when referring to democrats and I know that Public Education has been the life-giving force that has built this great nation of ours and I know also that the much-beloved-of-the-radical-right concept of homeschooling (where each pupil has the opportunity to rise to the highest level of their teacher’s incompetence) and charter schools (where each pupil can be sequestered in a cocoon of right wing religious indoctrination and nationalism) and learn the finer arts of worshiping at the altar of Trumpist Christo-Fascism. And I do not see where any of that will ever be good for a country that is supposed to be populated by free people. I see that as a move toward a further move to an Orwellian Oligarchy with a Trump-Like figure as the all-powerful, all-knowing “Father” of the subjected nation.

          22. Let me take your money. As a gift I will spend it for you on the things I think you need.

            Public education started as relatively small operation managed by local communities. Under such circumstances, parent had a great deal of control. Now we have four committees running our public schools: the School Board, the city council or county board of supervisors, the state legislature, and Congress. Moreover, the teachers unions exercise a huge influence on the operation of the schools, and they think the schools are run for their benefit, not the benefit of the children. If a foreign power had imposed such a scheme upon us, we would go to war.

          23. As much as I hate the idea of agreeing with you on this point, I find your point makes a lot of sense …but I am still against homeschooling (where all the pupil can do is rise to the highest level of incompetence of the instructor .. Usually an unqualified-person attempting to be an academic — and I definitely despise charter schools that are exclusive in nature and that have such a politically-targeted curriculum as to isolate the inquiring minds from a large portion of the ideas of diversified America. But you are spot-on right about the current condition of public Ed. It definitely needs less bureaucracy… a lot less.

          24. I don’t have a magic wand that will satisfy everyone. Nobody has one.

            Parents have the primary responsibility to educate their children. Do taxpayers have an interest in providing financial assistance to the poor? Perhaps. I prefer private charity, but I am willing to compromise.

            The primary problem with the current system is that government owns and operates it — almost all of it. To help the relative few who need help, we have put politicians in charge of our entire educational system. When we know that will lead to a huge amount of fraud, waste and abuse, that makes no sense whatsoever.

          25. I graduated from the Public Education system and I did very well for myself in life… I did object to the number of obvious hard-headed Liberal professors in college .. but in those days it WAS, after all called a “Liberal Arts” program. My parents never got past the 4th grade of school, so their skills as school-at-homers was somewhat diminished… to say the least. And the short time I tried privatized education, the principal was more interested in grasping my leg while talking to me than in anything else. I thought the whole Preppy-feeling scenario was creepy and so I took leave for safer ground. By the time I reached the stage of life where I was more interested in obtaining the services of a Certified Financial Planner, all that school jazz had become inconsequential to me and remains so to this day. The school of hard knocks is a better educator and when it is centered in the world of Business and Industry, it is especially valuable.

          26. I think the Republicans will rewrite the constitution to suit themselves. They will declare every cent of the social safety nets to be unconstitutional.

          27. If Democrats wreck the economy — and they are doing that with reckless, unconstitutional, unchecked taxing, spending, and borrowing — the so-called social safety net won’t work, but don’t worry. It will be the Republicans fault.

          28. Actually, if the Republicans cared about anybody other than the wealthy, they would use their power to do something to save those programs that benefit the underclasses rather than just cancelling them out which is one of Trump’s wet dream wishes.

          29. Social Security and Medicare don’t benefit the underclasses. The taxes are regressive and the return on investment (if you are silly enough to call taxes an investment) stinks. Government red tape is costly.

            What Social Security and Medicare do is pit the old against the young and the rich against the poor. Every stink thing Socialists do is designed to divide us and give them more power. Listen to you. The rich don’t even pay for Social Security and Medicare, and you are still spouting class warfare.

            BTW. The richest people in Congress are Democrats. The rich fund the Democratic Party handsomely. Yet you still think that Republicans are the party of the rich. Stovepiped.

          30. I spout class warfare because class warfare is coming of age right now … and it is being fueled and fired up by the radical MAGAT right …

          31. If you are going to take full advantage of a debate you have to fill in unworthy comments by your opponent with strong added substantiation to bolster your position and to try and confound and confuse the opponent. So while it is not your fault that I posted something you feel is unworthy of a response, you surely do have the obligation to use that vacuum to push your position forward.

          32. I am afraid that my position in life cancels out any need for further education. The only thing I am interested in these days is politics, philosophy, religion, and the bottom line.

          33. Actually, Congress controls spending. Each side in Congress has spending priorities. When Democrats don’t get what they want for social programs, they threaten defense spending. When Democrats hold both the White House and Congress, they cut defense and screw up the military with their infernal social engineering.

            When Trump came into office, he made the military his first priority, and we had a relatively peaceful four years. When Biden came into office, he pulled our troops out of Afghanistan and left the civilians behind. His foolishness included abandoning Bagram to the Red Chinese. But Biden is a saint because he spent lots and lots and lots of money, and he cares so much about your right to abort babies.

          34. I am not a Biden fan. Use another route of reason with me, please. I think electing Biden was a mistake and that electing Trump would have been a bigger mistake.

          35. In 2020, we had a choice between Biden and Trump. If we voted for anyone else, we throwing our vote away. Now Biden is president and you keep castigating Trump with unspecified and unproven charges. And you get on your high horse when I mention Biden?

            I think electing Biden was a huge mistake and that electing Trump would have been a much better choice. To prove my point, all I have to do is list the things Trump did that Biden undid.

          36. I believe that Your “Points” are most likely all taken from the radical right wing propaganda playbook of talking points .. I will wager that you were a fan of Rush Limbaugh and Hannity and Savage …and I will wager that you had a great deal of affection for the ideals of the Tea party …and I am imagining that you might even be a member of the American Sons of The Revolution … or that you could easily qualify for such membership —So tell me, did you like Reagan as president? Are you a Reagan-era Republican? (The president who didn’t even know that there are homeless in America?”) … I do know that you are highly intelligent …but I cannot believe that you can believe the horse manure that falls from the lips of a certain faction of the badly-fractured Republican Party these days …

  2. LOL! Oh my goodness, I have come to hate the word “sustainable.” Here where I live we just slap it on everything as a marketing ploy. It has no actual meaning or value, it much like just using the term “green.” Every thing in this neck of the woods is “sustainable, renewable, and green.” Is it really? Nope!

    1. Well, marketers can ruin words too, not just politicians. Seriously, politicians are just really good salespeople. Well, maybe not good. Effective might be a better word. The marketers are not doing the meaning of the word “good” any good either.

  3. No government is sustainable because all governments are operated by human beings. A king may be wise and look to the welfare of his people. But after he dies, the government usually goes south. There are dynasties who have ruled from one generation to the next such as those in Medieval Europe and Ancient Egypt. Eventually, they too peter out. The United State has over 230 years of stable government. But that too has destabilized and devolved into a totalitarian oligarchy.

    1. Nothing men can grow grow is entirely fruitful. Each generation– even the best that have been sows seeds of destruction among those that bear fruit.

      Still, we must try. Our Lord expects us to resist evil, and that is enough reason to try our best.

      We await the day when the Lord will separate the wheat from the tares.

      1. America is miraculously resilient. Now that Americans know what is afoot, I am confident that the ruling oligarchy will be overthrown and her original Constitution restored. America is God’s country after all.

          1. Israel did not have Jesus. And Israel was given back to the Jews by the Christian United States in 1948 nearly 1900 years after Rome razed Israel to the ground. America is exceptional among nations.

  4. Tom delete my comment about rivers and streams which i accidently sent.
    instead of this one. I cannot delete from my end.

    Rivers and Seas Prophets Conundrum? King Solomon Blog
    Would both of these Prophet’s observations about the rivers and seas. one in a poem, another in Ecclesiastes, agree with this proverb advice how to overcome fear?
    I read a Purplerays blog post that contained a poem about the rivers and seas.
    The poem reminded me of King Solomon’s verse and use of rivers and seas advice that pertained to his best-known verse about life on earth, “nothing is new under the sun.”
    King Solomon’s prophesy that every human born in every generation in history has or will encounter in his or her lifetime on earth and that sadly many will engage in the same follies as previous generations.
    The Purpose of This Post
    Is to relate and ancient wisdom proverb and Bible commentaries for interested readers to compare the two prophets’ advice and discern if they would agree the proverb advice even though they are associated with two different religious beliefs, for every type of incidence we will or may encounter to overcome fear in our lifetimes.
    If Interested
    Read the Source Links below
    Purple Rays Blog Post the Prophet Spoke
    https://purplerays.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/and-the-prophet-spoke/
    Then compare to King Solomons Verse
    All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)
    You Decide
    Would both prophets agree with this following King Solomon verse as being the best advice to believe how to overcome fear for every occasion we may or will encounter in our lifetimes?
    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths”.
    Proverbs 3:5-6
    https://lordsguidance.com/blogs/bible-verse-meaning/meaning-of-proverbs-3-5-6

    Tom,

    Sustainability is a spot-on word to question about the longevity in history of any Nation that tried to rule as a Democrat Republic.

    An article describes the USA as the longest survival in or contemporty times. Which should make us wonder if it will end in failure in the future.

    Sadly, many people have doubts, yet many other people have no concept of the possibility that the USA is following the same path of many failed Democrat Republics in history.

    Looking forward to your thoughts in future posts on this issue which frankly, I remember was a concern when I attended a high school Civics class 70 years ago when our National Debt was only in the millions instead of the trillions.

    Debt has been a major downfall in every Nation regardless of type of Government.

    Regards and goodwill blogging.

    https://www.history.com/news/what-is-the-worlds-oldest-democracy

  5. Rivers and Seas Prophets Conundrum? King Solomon Blog
    Would both of these Prophet’s observations about the rivers and seas. one in a poem, another in Ecclesiastes, agree with this proverb advice how to overcome fear?
    I read a Purplerays blog post that contained a poem about the rivers and seas.
    The poem reminded me of King Solomon’s verse and use of rivers and seas advice that pertained to his best-known verse about life on earth, “nothing is new under the sun.”
    King Solomon’s prophesy that every human born in every generation in history has or will encounter in his or her lifetime on earth and that sadly many will engage in the same follies as previous generations.
    The Purpose of This Post
    Is to relate and ancient wisdom proverb and Bible commentaries for interested readers to compare the two prophets’ advice and discern if they would agree the proverb advice even though they are associated with two different religious beliefs, for every type of incidence we will or may encounter to overcome fear in our lifetimes.
    If Interested
    Read the Source Links below
    Purple Rays Blog Post the Prophet Spoke
    https://purplerays.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/and-the-prophet-spoke/
    Then compare to King Solomons Verse
    All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)
    You Decide
    Would both prophets agree with this following King Solomon verse as being the best advice to believe how to overcome fear for every occasion we may or will encounter in our lifetimes?
    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths”.
    Proverbs 3:5-6
    https://lordsguidance.com/blogs/bible-verse-meaning/meaning-of-proverbs-3-5-6
    Tom,
    Sustainability is a spot-on word to question about the longevity in history of any Nation that tried to rule as a Democrat Republic.
    An article below describes the USA as the longest survival in or contemporary times. Which should make us wonder if it will end in failure in the future.
    Sadly, many people have doubts, yet many other people have no concept of the possibility that the USA is following the same path of many failed Democrat Republics in history.
    Looking forward to your thoughts in future posts on this issue which frankly, I remember was a concern when I attended a high school Civics class 70 years ago when our National Debt was only in the millions instead of the trillions.
    Debt has been a major downfall in every Nation regardless of type of Government.
    Regards and goodwill blogging.
    https://www.history.com/news/what-is-the-worlds-oldest-democracy

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