UNSPECIFIED – CIRCA 1865: Karl Marx (1818-1883), philosopher and German politician. (Photo by Roger Viollet Collection/Getty Images)

Karl Marx Was No Atheist, But Neither Are Atheists

Mel Wild has written an excellent post, Karl Marx was no atheist (melwild.wordpress.com).

I wonder if many young people who revere Karl Marx, the father of modern Socialism, know that not only was he not an atheist, he vehemently hated God. I think so-called Christian Socialists should especially understand this, because it’s very clear from Marx’s writings that he not only believed there was a God but wanted revenge on Him in an almost Miltonesque “Paradise Lost” sort of way. This also helps to explain why Marxist ideology is so dark, divisive, and destructive, which is the opposite of Christ’s message: “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” (John 10:10 NIV)

Continued => Karl Marx was no atheist (melwild.wordpress.com)

Mel Wild observes that Karl Marx believed in God, but he hated God. James observed the same about demons (James 2:19).

What about Atheists? Supposedly, Atheists don’t believe in God, but in spite of what they say Atheists believe in God too. Why don’t they admit it, especially to themselves? Once we admit God exist we must also admit that God has sovereign control over our lives. Until we understand how much God loves us, that is terrifying. Even if we understand how much God loves us, if we do not return God’s love, we still don’t want anyone else in control of our existence. So, until we begin to learn to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, we rebel.

Consider how the Apostle Paul put it.

Romans 1:18-23 New American Standard Bible

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasonings, and their senseless hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible mankind, of birds, four-footed animals, and crawling creatures.

The logic for the existence of God is indisputable, but people dispute it away. Most people, unable to provide what passes for “scientific proof,” politely accept the Atheist claims that they don’t believe God exists. However, the existence of God falls outside the province of science. Since we cannot subject God to our experiments, scientists have no way to prove the existence of God. Therefore, the absence of scientific proof for the existence of God is meaningless.

How do we establish the existence of God? We study His Creation and observe that what we see shows us the character of — the logic for existence of — our Creator.

Still, as Karl Marx was no atheist (melwild.wordpress.com) shows, even though Marx believed in God, Marx designed an Atheistic system of government. Why? Because Marx hated God, he wanted to hurt God. So, he created religious/political system that denied God.

What motivated Marx’s hatred of God? Why did he write works like The Communist Manifesto (fulltextarchive.com)? Let’s return to Romans 1. The Apostle Paul explained the motivation of those who deny God.

Romans 1:24-25 New American Standard Bible

24 Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

What happens when we choose not to worship God? Paul observed that we create our own gods. We manufacture idols we manipulate with sacrifices to get the things we lust in our hearts to have, and we worship these idols instead of God.

In Paul’s day, instead of worshipping God, Pagans worshiped idols made of wood, stone, and metal. They even idolized their leaders. And in return for sacrifices they asked their gods to give them that which they most wanted: pleasure, wealth, knowledge, power, and adulation.

We have not change much. Today’s Pagans just skip the idols made of wood, stone, and metal. Modern Pagans worship sex itself, the stuff they want, science that confirms what they wish to believe, a state that promises them what they want, and their self. To justify our pursuit of our idols, we still lie. We still ignore the Truth. We still ignore the God that created everything and pretend He does not exist.

To Be Continued

  • Part 2: When It Is All About Me, The Truth Doesn’t Matter

59 thoughts on “WHOSE SIDE ARE THEY ON? — PART 1

    1. @Constitutional Insurgent

      There are two reasons, both implied in this post.
      1. Once I decided that reason required me to believe the Bible to believe what the Bible says.
      2. Because there are multiple perfectly good philosophical proofs of God’s existence, it is logical to believe God exists.

          1. Nope. My question was plain. Why do you say that Atheists actually believe in God, when they say they don’t.

            You responded with why “you” believe in God. This however, is not the first time you seem unequipped to defend something you write.

            I’ll leave you to it then.

          2. @Constitutional Insurgent

            The answer to your question is clearly stated in Roman’s 1:18.

            What I didn’t do is state the obvious. Atheists choose to be ignorant of God. What people do when they don’t want to believe something is suppress the truth or remain willfully ignorant

            Apparently, you don’t understand the meaning of “suppressing the truth” and “willful ignorance,: but you are doing a splendid job of willustrating the concept. Here is an explanation: https://citizentom.com/2008/07/07/i-stand-corrected/.

          3. You choose to believe in God. I’m not sure why this is difficult for you. If I were an Atheist, and stated that I didn’t believe in God…….and you said that I did……you literally have nothing to refute me with. Your belief would not be mine. And mine not yours.

            I mean…….you DO get that, right?????

            YOUR truth is not necessarily anyone else’s. One would think that a Conservative would respect that reasonable position. You may think an Atheist to be wrong……but to pretend what another’s firmly beliefs are…….smacks of what Leftists do.

          4. @Constitutional Insurgent

            I don’t own a truth. In the same way God is love, God is the truth. I don’t own God.

            None of us know the truth perfectly. None of us know God perfectly. Nevertheless, some things are quite knowable. God exists.

          5. @Constitutional Insurgent.

            I am responsible for my beliefs and opinion. I am responsible for forming my beliefs and opinions appropriately. We throw thieves and murderers in jail when they act upon poorly formed beliefs and opinions.

            Should we throw Atheists in jail? That depends upon how they act upon their poorly formed beliefs and opinions, doesn’t it?

  1. Thanks for the link to my post, Tom. What people need to understand about Marxism and Socialism is that it is a replacement religion. The State just becomes god. That’s why it has so much traction with younger people. We’re now two generations or more removed from having faith in God being a main element of our society. We’ve flattened the world so much with our scientism, removing anything transcendent, leaving us with nihilism and a feeling of hopelessness, so now people are left starving for some higher purpose for their lives.

    So, these young people go to university and find a sense of higher purpose in the various forms of Marxist activism. The SJW movement becomes their ministry in this religion. But it’s a hateful, unforgiving, unredemptive, dark, and divisive religion.

    This is also why our youth are continually being lured into a world of total fantasy (think Zuckerberg’s Metaverse). It’s what happens when you remove God from society. You just create false religions. In this way, humankind has never changed.

    1. @Mel

      People realize that Islam is a government with a religious system. What most miss is that all tyrannical regimes tend to be governments with a religious system. Stalin and Hitler may not have called themselves gods, but they still demanded worship.

      Facebook gets my back up. Don’t like it. Funny thing is that I enjoy fantasy, but I have never liked Facebook or for that matter, Twitter.

      1. @ Tom.
        Very true about tyranny. Hitler even tried to resurrect the pagan German Folk religion to replace Christianity.
        I really don’t like Facebook either. There’s just something evil about it.

    2. “What people need to understand about Marxism and Socialism is that it is a replacement religion.”

      You may be right, but it is exactly like the QAnon Trumpism congregation that has blindly worshipped Trump and at best represents a cult of some very off the wall and simple minded people. This blind following of an icon explains why many thousands of Trump disciples turn up to look for a dead man to come down a street who was supposed to be able to make Trump the President, don’t you think?

      1. @sklyjd

        QAnon is not something the Conservatives I know have worried about. Don’t remember exactly what QAnon is, and I don’t see any value in looking it up again

        QAnon is just a prop invented by the Liberal Demecrat news media to paint Conservatives as nuts.

        When elected Liberal Democrats are pushing porn, the LGBTQ agenda, and CRT in the public schools — when Liberal Democrats are using COVID-19 as an excuse to seize money and power — who has time for your QAnon conspiracies?

          1. @Constitutional Insurgent

            You think that was a clever response? Well, please explain the difference between the Left and the Right. That is, who do you think you have just called a bunch of duped rubes?

            While you are at it, please explain why didn’t you mention the folks (I suppose you would say they are on the Left.) who think all Conservatives are QAnon conspiracy theorists. They are not duped rubes too?

          2. I do, thank you. I was actually merely echoing your sentiment. If QAnon were some sort of Liberal invention, then those following it, are duped, no?

            As for who makes up the idiot brigade, here’s a hint: you don’t see them kitted out in Biden gear.

            If you actually want to learn about QAnon, I can point you to a great expose conducted by Bellingcat; even Vice has done a good series.

            And yes, if Leftists presume that all on the Right support QAnon, that too are duped.

          3. @Constitutional Insurgent

            The point of my request to define the Left is that there isn’t any difference between the extreme Left and the extreme Right. Both seek totalitarian forms of government.

            Instead of Left and Right, what would be a more appropriate characteristic to measure to get a spectral range for the type of government we seek? I would use the amount of power the government has over the people. That gives us anarchy at one extreme and totalitarianism at the other.

          4. Sure….but you use Liberal and Conservative, even though the same misrepresentations and misdefinitions apply, as with Left and Right. Both major parties seek power not only unto themselves, but over the People. But then again, I lean far, far more towards Anarchy than Totalitarianism.

          5. @Constitutional Insurgent

            The terms Liberal and Conservative refer to ideological beliefs. Are the terms well-defined? No. There are several problems, at least.
            1. The various sides take the labels that their opponents apply to themselves and mess with the labels in order to redefine their opponents.
            2. Rivals within the same movement try to claim popular labels for their own special causes.
            3. When enough to get politicians who have associated with a particular label use that label to misrepresent themselves, that label loses credibility as a brand.

            Left and Right, on the other hand, don’t refer to specific ideological labels. These terms originated far enough in the past they don’t mean much. See https://citizentom.com/2018/05/10/of-twisted-words-left-wing-and-right-wing/

          6. Liberal and Conservative only capture a generic delineation that is part of the politico-media business model (the others being ‘undecided’ or if they’re feeling generous- ‘independent’). Since Conservatives and Liberals often…..aren’t, they too are problematic.

            Ties into my pet peeve of the “both sides” perversion of our political landscape. There are almost always more than “two sides” to an issue. But our appointed ‘betters’ seek to box us into what can fit into tweets, sound bites and memes.

          7. @Constitutional Insurgent

            Our system of government requires a majority to govern. So, we form into political parties with people who share similiar values and goals. If a political party’s ideology is too.  ​explicit and concrete, that undermines its ability to make the compromises necessary to gain a majority.

            That said, the ideological differences between the Democratic and Republican parties are as clear as they have ever been. Look at the votes in Congress.

          8. Sure, and if you’re absolutely cool with that, then you have your chosen framework in place. If your values don’t conform with what the framework demands……then you either push those values aside or you work to change the framework.

            If like me, neither major party represents your firmly held values, then you either sacrifice or your left out on the fringes.

            For myself, I surrender nothing and still sleep well at night.

          9. @@Constitutional Insurgent

            Sigh! What noble drivel!

            Because men are not angels, our system of government is not designed for perfection. It designed to protect us from each other. Government exists because we need protection from each other.

            When we vote, we have the opportunity to vote for the best person for the job. What if that person has no chance of winning?

            When we vote, we also have the opportunity to vote for that candidate who we believe has a good chance of winning and will do the least harm. Whatever happens we don’t want that candidate who we believe will do the most harm to win. If we did not vote for someone better who could have won instead, our pious rectitude about not surrendering our values is nonsense.

            When the first Bush and Bill Clinton ran against each other, I voted for Ross Perot. Perot did well for a third-party candidate, but I still wasted my vote. So, we had eight years of Bill Clinton.

            I don’t like the way the system is rigged in favor of the major parties, but that is the reality. We have to live with what is. If we want something else, then we have to change what is to what we want. Since the powerful gain their advantages from the status quo, changing what is to what we want requires both understanding and wisdom as well as courage, diligence, and great effort from lots of people.

          10. @Constitutional Insurgent.

            Because people are not steadfast, there have been several revivals in American history. Will there be another? Probably. The institutions and special interests that uphold Secular
            Humanism and stand in opposition to Christianity have suffered huge losses in credibility here of late..

            Jesus provided clear direction.

            Matthew 28:16-20 New American Standard Bible
            16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated to them. 17 And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

          11. @Constitutional Insurgent

            I said the institutions that uphold Secular Humanism have suffered losses in credibility. “Secular Humanism” is an oxymoron.
            Consider: https://www.etymonline.com/word/humanism

            What institutions? Public schools. The mass media, especially the news media. Big Tech. The Federal Government, especially the way Democrats run it. All these institutions have seriously abuse the trust of the public, and the public has started to notice.

          12. I suppose I can agree, though I don’t limit that damage to just the Democrats, nor do I see religion as the solution.

            Religion has been a cancer upon the human soul. It may have altruistic roots, but it’s been, and confit to be, corrupted and perverted by man. The public has noted that as well.

          13. @Constitutional Insurgent

            Actually, what you just said demonstrates the effects of effective indoctrination.

            As we grow up, we learn things that are not true. That includes learning the prejudices of our teachers.

            Check out https://citizentom.com/2007/07/01/reviling-christian-fundamentalism/.

            What we call bigotry or prejudice are the judgements we make without the application of logic and reason. These judgements arise from assumptions we have never bothered to test.

            Socrates told us how important it is to reconsider our beliefs.

            The unexamined life is not worth living.

            Please test the notion that religion starts wars and produces wars. Consider the fact there was ferocious warfare among Christians at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. Then consider why it stopped. Was it because Europeans stopped being Christians or simply because after the invention of the printing press people could read their Bibles.

            What starts wars and causes conflicts?
            James 4:1-3
            New American Standard Bible
            4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is the source not your pleasures that wage war in your body’s parts? 2 You lust and do not have, so you commit murder. And you are envious and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, so that you may spend what you request on your pleasures.

            Consider that our ancestors were Pagans. They invented their gods to justify themselves. To the extent they believed in their gods, they sacrificed to them — bartered with them — to get what wanted. For all practical purposes, Paganism and Atheism are the same things.

            We cannot make deals with the God of the Bible. Because what He commands is righteous, to disobey is sin.

            The early Christians did not hate Pagans. They pitied them enough to tell them the truth, to spread the Gospel. Many did so at the cost of their lives.

            So, what is wrong with Christianity? The teachings of the Bible are perfect, but Christians remain works in progress.

        1. @ Tom and sklyjd et al.

          Not only is “QAnon Trumpism” a non-starter, a false narrative, it’s a fallacious false equivalency to compare it to current form of wokish Socialism. QAnon, whatever it is, is practically nonexistent in the culture. At best, it’s a small group of conspiracy nutjobs on the Internet. But the current form of Socialism, the postmodern neo-Marxist “woke” left (in all it’s variant forms of infection) are deeply embedded and dominating the narrative in all our cultural institutions—education, media, corporations, government, even the military. They are currently attempting to assert themselves as the establishment in American society. And as many, both on the right and moderate left have said, they act like a dangerous religious cult. So there is no meaningful comparison.

  2. This is a great post Tom, well both yours and Mel’s are. They explain a lot about the growing societal chaos and anarchy and the falsehoods politicians and government officials spew with such certainty.

    1. @Tricia

      Mostly, all I do is cite the Bible and point to lies that should be obvious by now. I sometimes wonder how I could have been so naïve when I was young. Then I remember I had so much to learn and sometimes I just was not interested.

  3. Tom, Mel Wild

    Your post messages are much needed for Christions to understand the reasons why of this following statement

    “In Catholic school communities, they warn that critical race theory is Marxist and therefore anti-Catholic.”

    In my opinion, church leaders need to overcome their fear of becoming involved in current politics in relation to education, as well as legislators who lack understanding of laws they are supporting which are based on socialism philosophies that have failed in Nations because they are in reality – anti- Catholic, or anti-God, anti- religious, and anti – USA founders Constitutional, in my opinion as was recently ruled by the Supreme Court about school vouchers.

    Statement Source


    Regards and goodwill blogging.

    1. I agree. We shouldn’t be afraid of the Twitter mob and cancel culture. The best antidote to tyranny is speaking the truth. As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said, “The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. ‘One word of truth outweighs the world.'”

  4. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the Western Cultural Elites are pushing Satanism in a big way now.

    1. @The Night Wind

      Well, they are promoting Pagan behavior, and I wouldn’t trust most of them. Satanism? I don’t know. That is one you will have to explain.

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