We like to include a picture of some sort with every post. Since we want a huge turnout, we thought we would include a picture of a landslide or a tsunami. Since landslides and tsunamis kill people, however, we settled for picture of a ballot box. The whole point of an orderly election is to avoid violence, to avoid dead and injured people.
Why is a huge turnout needed? When we vote in large numbers, that increases the margin of victory for legitimate winners. The larger the margin of victory, the more fraudulent ballots a cheater has to produce to win. Thus, large numbers of voters make it more difficult to cheat.
Is election fraud a real concern? That depends upon who we ask. It even depends upon which search engine we use. Compare the results Google produces with DuckDuckGo.
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Citizen Tom 
Whatever the outcome of this election, may your country find peace and unity again.
Thank you, marmoewp.
Amen to that!
@marmoewp
Thanks.
@tsalmon
Link broken.
Our polling place had a line down the elementary school hallway when we got there before it opened this morning. Most people had masks but no distancing. (We wore N-95 masks and I gave an individually wrapped box to the poll workers). Polling spots were crammed together as usual, as was a line to put the hard ballot in the voting machine. At least two poll workers (all very old people) were not wearing masks (although one of them was wearing a face shield). Sadly, they seemed to be passing out COVID-19 with the “I Voted” stickers.
That said, we would have crawled over broken glass.
My daughter is text banking for Biden in MI today. We went with several of our Biden/Espy voting friends to the polls. Afterwards, while walking our puppy on the beach, a bald eagle flew right over us and out into the Gulf to hunt fish – seems like a good omen.
The fact that Trump is hosting a political corona virus spreading election event of up to 400 fools INSIDE THE WHILTE HOUSE kind of says everything about our corrupt, selfish, incompetent, science denying, hopefully doomed Trump presidency. Vote Biden as if you and your family’s lives depend upon it brother . . . because it does.
Afterwards, while walking our puppy on the beach, a bald eagle flew right over us and out into the Gulf to hunt fish – seems like a good omen.
Agreed! 😉
What kind of puppy?
We’re thinking of getting a beagle. We have two rescues and I usually prefer rescues, but I like the beagle personality.
We are cocker spaniel fans. We sadly and suddenly lost our red English Cocker Spaniel, Oliver, to cancer about three weeks ago, but had already gotten the puppy, Abby, before we knew he was sick. Ollie’s Mom was Abby’s grandmom so she is a red too. They both came from show quality pedigree, but we just got her, as was Ollie, as a cherished member of our family and because we love the breeder. Right now at a little over two months old she looks like a little rufous colored muppet puppy.
Aw, I love cocker spaniels!
My mom in law has one. They are the cutest puppies.
I’m sorry you lost your other pup to cancer. 😦
Ours are mutts and quite old (over 12 now).
Not sure what they’d think of a rambunctious puppy, but it might be good for them.
Might be good for the whole family.
“I’m sorry you lost your other pup to cancer. 😦”
Thanks, you know how it is. We miss him. He was a great dog. It came suddenly but we had a very tough last week with him. He had had his spleen removed along with a 2 1/2 pound cancer that had spread, but we didn’t know that yet. I was sleeping downstairs with him cause he couldn’t do the climb and needed to go out a lot. He had a cone on and he didn’t like it. At one point in the middle of the night he looked me like, “Don’t you know who I am: Mom will hear of this”. I took the cone off.
We spoiled him, but he spoiled us back.
I’ll send Tom a pic and maybe he’ll post it.
@tsalmon
@Liz
https://citizentom.com/2020/11/04/a-pic-for-liz/
Tom,
Voter fraud is a myth for a national election. Even in the swing states where the election could be close, it would take enormous numbers, meaning that either an amazing number of individuals (not just a few anecdotal anomalies) acting separately would have to be willing to risk felony jail time, or it would take a conspiracy so big that it would be hard to hide for long.
Foriegn hacking and voter suppression (often legal) seem to be more provably happening. But I doubt that the facts will convince anyone looking as hard as they can to find conspiracies to confirm their cult like delusions.
I do agree that we need to vote in large numbers no matter what candidates we support. If Biden doesn’t win big, then the conspiracy theorists will proclaim fraud and armed violence will likely erupt from the far right. If Trump only wins the electoral college and only by a SCOTUS vote, then the left will stage massive protests that also could turn violent, either by a rise in rioting or by clashes of large numbers of protesters on the left and a smaller but armed and dangerous contingent on the right.
Obviously, to avoid all that I’m praying for a blue wave. I just wonder, if that happens, what will become of a Republican Party that has transformed so much just into the face of Trump, especially when Trump is nothing more than a defeated “has been” who is probably also facing another bankruptcy and endless legal problems.
Most of the best intellectual defenders of conservatism have already abandoned the GOP in disgust with Trump’s lying demagoguery, flailing incompetence and vice promoting corruption. As for those who have hung with Trump, how many ideological back flips and somersaults can someone like “Lying Ted Cruz” do after sucking up so hard to Trump once Trump is disgraced?
With a blue wave dominating two branches of government and threatening the third with reorganizational reform, then what is left of the Trumpublican Party in office could be marginalized out of existence. This, IMHO, is a dangerous situation. And something will need to fill that vacuum over time to balance too much power on the left.
If we look to the past, Richard Posner would say that the Republicans would make a leftward correction on some issues and eventually the parties might even swap sides. You may not believe this but I think that Biden will (and already is) trying to move the Democratic Party to the right in order to heal our deep national divides
One way or another, as a matter of human survival, I think the time of Trumpist ethnocentric nationalism and self centered, selfishness glorifying individualism needs to be over. I keep coming back to this, but when the actions of a single person at a wet market in Wuhan can sicken and kill perhaps millions of people everywhere and bring the global economy to its knees, then we need to learn to work better together as a human race while still protecting human rights, or we may not survive the increasing number and intensity of the apocalypses that we are bringing on ourselves. Only governments of some kind working together can provide that worldwide organizing force. The question isn’t therefore whether we will have more government, but instead what those governments will look like and what checks we will put on their power. There are possibilities here best exemplified for a new centralized state allowed by advances in AI that would beggar the imaginations of even Orwell or Huxley.
You may not believe this but I think that Biden will (and already is) trying to move the Democratic Party to the right in order to heal our deep national divides
Yep. Biden is one super-unifying dude.
I know I feel safe being likened to a Nazi.
Robert (third) Reich, living up to his name, has suggested purges for Trump supporters. I can’t wait for those loyalty pledges. All in the interest of “healing” of course.
@Liz
Purges? Seriously?
Yes, really. On October 17, Reich said:
“When this nightmare is over, we need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. It would erase Trumps lies, comfort those who have been harmed by his hatefulness, and name every official, politician, executive, and media mogul whose greed and cowardice enabled this catastrophe.
Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Talk about Orwellian.
@Liz
Yep! After a fair trial for soliciting and accepting bribes, we just need to throw some Democrats in jail.
Wow. Thanks. Cool video. I hadn’t seen it. I’m sharing it with everyone I know.
The message of love seemed pretty unifying to me. Trump is a hate filled racist, a divider and a demagogue. Biden is about pluralism. unity, compromise and yes, love.
Can one sympathize with and vote for a racist demagogue without being one? Don’t know. Not up to me to judge. People’s true intentions are often hidden even from themselves. The video tries to make the choice clear, but not everyone will accept the message.
However, I don’t see this video as labeling every Trump supporter as a Nazi anymore than your allusion to Robert Reich as a Nazi somehow means to label all Democrats as such because they also support Biden.
Can one sympathize with and vote for a racist demagogue without being one? Don’t know. Not up to me to judge. People’s true intentions are often hidden even from themselves. The video tries to make the choice clear, but not everyone will accept the message.
Yep. The video makes it very clear via hand heart signs and singing that the message is “clear”. No, one cannot support Hitler without being a brownshirt. I must be a brownshirt as Trump is literally Hitler. There has been no support whatsoever for the claim Trump is either a racist or Hitler, but that doesn’t matter. We have singing and heart hand gestures. And all the violence and destruction in the name of combating “fascists” is all unifying too of course.
Four more days and we shall see what happens.
One of the many many hispanics who opposed Biden. just be a fascist Hitler lover:
Here is a black man who obviously doesn’t understand racism like you and Biden do. See how he supports fascism and Hitler:
@tsalmon
@Liz
Even our sports adoring brother would recognize that wisdom in that sports analogy. You want to show it to him tsalmon?
Liz,
Someone smart once said that history doesn’t always repeat, but it does often rhyme. Trump is not Hitler. Hitler was unique and his success came in a uniquely susceptible time and place in history.
Rather than deal with the uncertain and foggy truth of what is going on now, we (even in the military’) are always far more comfortable fighting the last war. Thus, the far left (and sometimes the libertarian right) see the ghost of Hitler everywhere and in everyone. By the same token, the far right sees Trotsky, or Stalin, or Mao in every Democrat. Boo!
I don’t think you are necessarily a Nazi if you vote for Trump (although I think he has the support of all the modern day equivalents). But I wonder if I will ever convince you that I am not a socialist or a Communist simply because I’m voting for Biden. I do think Trump is a racist, however, because he is using racist grievances and divisions to solidify his base.
As for your anecdotes, they are one offs. If less than 80 percent of black voters and less than 60 percent of Latinex voters don’t voter for Biden, then it will mean something.
Latinex and black voters are not monolithic blocks. Southern Bible Belt black voters are not the same as West Coastal black voters. Cuban American families are not the same as Mexican American families. Identity grouping is imperfect, but we all share in common one thing as Americans although we have each been effected by it and perceive it differently, and that is our history of white supremacy. And the perception of that history and how Trump is playing to those darkest corners of our psyche in order to win will effect how people of color and liberal whites vote, I think, in large numbers.
@tsalmon
I have debated you about your beliefs. What you believe inevitably leads to Socialism. Your theories do not constrain politicians from seizing power they have no business having. Socialism leads to a government with a people. What we still have is a people with a government.
Except for what Obama did, you are voting for guy who doesn’t have a platform. He just peddles lies and empty platitudes. Obama peddled lies and empty platitudes and practiced Socialism. You are also voting for a guy who accuses his opponent of racism and blatantly lies about it. In addition, Biden sells us out to foreigners, and you refuse to even consider the matter.
As for your anecdotes, they are one offs. If less than 80 percent of black voters and less than 60 percent of Latinex voters don’t voter for Biden, then it will mean something.
They’re not one-offs. And I think you will be surprised at the election results.
While it is true blacks, hispanics, asians and whomever are not monolithic groups, if you’re going to keep asserting Trump is a racist without any evidence whatsoever (Biden’s lies and the Black eyed peas singing about Nazis do not qualify as evidence), you should explain why so many minorities back such an “obvious” racist by your estimation.
I’m glad you admit it “will mean something” if the stats you describe are true. I think you’re in for a surprise.
Btw, last election Trump had 35 percent of the hispanic vote, so another five percent will be easy….that’s a foregone conclusion, IMO. 20 percent of the black vote will be astronomical compared to any Republican president in a long long while. As I assume you’ve read (since I provided the links) some polls are running much higher than that.
So, again, it’s just weird that such a blatantly racist Hitler type could get so many votes from the demographics he ostensibly hates so much.
There’s simply no evidence whatsoever to support the claims you continue to make.
Maybe it makes you feel good somehow. That’s the only thing I can guess….because it isn’t based on reality at all. You can look up what Trump has done for the black community. But if you were listening it was mentioned in the last debate.
Above I provide what you called a “one off” example.
Liz,
Nah, never in history have any members of minority group ever supported their own racist persecutors (he said sarcastically). You want anecdotal evidence? Just look up the history of virtually every instance of racial oppression.
Are enough people of color going to come out
to vote for a racist Donald Trump to somehow wash him white of his racism, or is it instead going to be a black and brown wave in favor of Biden. I highly expect the latter based upon what we are seeing already, but I could be wrong. We will find out soon.
I’m curious, however, what percentage of black voters voting against Trumpist racism would it to convince you that at least those most effected by his racism consider Trump a racist? Or no matter what the percentage, as long as you can find one black person on the interweb somewhere who supported Trump, then will you still believe Trump can’t be a racist? 😏
@tsalmon
I had to use DuckDuckGo to find this. Google has a better search engine, but it still was not helpful. Any guess as to why?
I can find more on this, but the point is that Democrats were still persecuting blacks in 1936. The Jim Crow laws were still in effect.
We are stupid creatures. This is especially true with respect to politics, which can pose frustrating, complex problems. So, clever politicians, and FDR was especially clever, can persuade us to vote against our own best interests.
“I have debated you about your beliefs. What you believe inevitably leads to Socialism.“
Ahh, your fav boogeyman hiding under every bed. Again, let’s compare resumes Tom. Other than a little part time, short term work here and there, have you ever had a job that was not paid for either directly or indirectly by big guvmint? What about your college degrees? If If I’m a secret Socialist, then as a matter of practice, you are a lifelong one right out there in the open.
Anyway, I agree with you, and always have. Pure Socialism doesn’t work, is Utopian and doesn’t exist in actual reality for long before it turns totalitarian. But neither does your Randian vision of pure libertariani Capitalism. It’s also Utopian, does not exist anywhere in practice, and if it did, it would would turn to chaos.
What does work in, you know, the real world where every developed country in the world, including our own, lives and thrives best is some more or less imperfect hybrid. This has never been an either/or choice. Arguments otherwise are just silly demagoguery.
As for your debunked conspiracy theories about Biden selling us out, it’s the worst case of projection I’ve ever seen. Besides, I thought Biden was so senile he can barely talk in complete sentences? You really need to find one Trumped up conspiracy theory and stick to it, or at least pick ones that aren’t mutually exclusive. 😜
@tsalmon
Cute, but what you offer is a deflection. First, you attack me, not my argument. Stupid! I never offered my personal record as any sort of proof. I pointed to your ideology and the people you are voting for. Both are Socialist.
Second, you say you agree with me when you in fact clearly do not. As I have said before, neither your political philosophy or your vote constrains our leaders in their quest for greater power. You don’t support the Constitution as a charter that defines and thereby limits the powers of government, and you vote for people who clearly consider the Constitution an annoyance.
I’m curious, however, what percentage of black voters voting against Trumpist racism would it to convince you that at least those most effected by his racism consider Trump a racist?
The question is irrelevant since you cannot and have never provided evidence that Trump is a racist beyond chanting it over and over. So it is pertinent, in the face of zero evidence, to point out that Jews for Trump, and about 25+ percent of the black voting population and 40+ percent of the hispanic population are voting for Trump.
Or no matter what the percentage, as long as you can find one black person on the interweb somewhere who supported Trump, then will you still believe Trump can’t be a racist?
The numbers are incredibly high. That is the point. One percent of the black population voted for Romney. Trump has over 20 times that level of support. Probably a lot more when the election results come out. A lot of black American men are starting to go conservative. For good reason, the Democrat party hasn’t improved their lives at all. And now they’re allowing masked thugs to destroy businesses and terrorize residents around this country.
Or no matter what the percentage, as long as you can find one black person on the interweb somewhere who supported Trump, then will you still believe Trump can’t be a racist?
See how you’ve moved the goal posts. It is not up to me to prove Trump is or is not racist. Let alone “can’t be” racist. I can’t read minds. Nor can you. You have failed to provide evidence and it is up to you to prove this claim. Should be very easy if Trump is so racist….yet he has disavowed white supremacists 38 times (and there is a video but I won’t bother to find it). Biden on the flip side has plenty of evidence he is a racist by his own words (he referred to black children as “the jungle”).
Yesterday apparently there was a 96 mile long car rally for Trump in Arizona. A state he is supposed to lose. That’s an awful lot of people (of all races) to demonize and disparage as white identity politics/white supremacists. Now that Democrats have hit rock bottom with their accusations against their competitors. What’s left on the table for next time? Can’t get worse than Hitler. This type of nasty politics makes Trump supporters targets. As we’ve seen already.
It’s a mystery the Democrats are saying Trump supporters will lash out if they lose, when businesses and residences are already boarded up around the country and not because of Trump supporters.
@tsalmon
Biden’s charge that Trump is a racist is based on an outright lie.
https://citizentom.com/2019/04/25/joe-bidens-2020-announcement/
Tom,
You believe what Trump says which obviously means you don’t know what lies look like when they are constantly spattering right in your face. 🤣
@tsalmon
You did not read the post. Just how hard is it to find a quote in a transcript and to examine the context?
What you are doing is not excusable, not when you won’t even consider the truth.
You want to call someone a racist? The person being accused cannot prove a negative. That is why it is up to YOU to have proof, and you don’t. Given your background, why do I have to explain this to you?
Liz,
Everyone loves the video. You know that Chump couldn’t get The Black Eyed Peas and Jenifer Hudson. Stevie Wonder is campaigning with Biden and Obama right now. I guess the Orange One has those those “legends” of rock mediocrity, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock.😂
I like this one. Actually unifying and inspirational and doesn’t call anyone Hitler.
I guess the Orange One has those those “legends” of rock mediocrity, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock
I know I look to the opinions of celebrities and artists when I want the best and smartest ideas for economic and foreign policy decisions.
@tsalmon
@Liz
Yep! To figure out real life, the people in charge of manufacturing escapist feelings and fantasies provide the best consultants.
@tsalmon
Tell ’em lies sweet little lies, and some people are happy.
When the going got tough (They were tired of manna from Heaven.), some of the former Hebrew slaves chastised Moses and moaned about the good food in Egypt. What is your excuse? You have never been a slave.
Here is an interesting video of Trump cultists illegally and dangerously harassing a Biden bus and slowing it to a near stand still in Texas. The FBI says it’s investigating, but Trump says the FBI should not investigate because this is what the Dear Leader calls patriotic.
And this is what you want as your President?
@tsalmon
I am kind of mystified as to what you think that video shows. At first I thought it was some kind of screwy ad for the Harris/Biden ticket. When Youtube played up the next item it had queued, some guy full of himself trying to make people at a Trump rally look foolish, I thought that was your video, but I could not figure out what it had to do with your charge. So I started over again. You are depending upon a 15 second video to prove something?
Frankly, it seems to me that all you are mad about is that people dare to disagree with you.. How old are you?
Consider. The Democratic Party supports Black Lives Matters, a blatantly Marxist organization. Your party cannot be bothered to condemn racists. Instead, it condemns those who say “all lives matter”.
Your party calls Trump divisive. Meanwhile, that party and its news media allies uses any excuse to peddle identity politics. That includes any excuse to stir up riots against the police, especially in cities run by Democrats.
Yet here you are proclaiming this nonsense.
News flash! Jesus called us sheep because we need Him as our Good Shepherd.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/523924-trump-rebukes-fbi-for-investigating-supporters-accused-of-surrounding
This is what it take for Trump to win.
@tsalmon
So, the FBI is now responsible for investigating the possibility some hotheads may have engaged in a traffic violations?
You do realize you have leaped to a conclusion. You don’t know what happened yet.
Consider all the accusations of police brutality against blacks. What is typical? Because it is the narrative they want, whenever a black is hurt or killed by a policeman, the news media IMMEDIATELY jumps to the conclusion the policeman is guilty. Later, when the truth comes out they start ignoring the story.
Tom,
You do live in your own little world brother. It’s kind of endearing sometimes. 🙂
@tsalmon
Live in my own world? No. I did not make this world or even myself, but I know the One who did.
Tom,
It’s on video, from several angles. Biden events were canceled as a result.
Imagine for just a moment if this had happened to a Trump bus, and Biden supporters were responsible? You’d be howling to the high heavens for an investigation and arrests if crimes were committed, and you’d get it. The fact that, on the eve of an election, the FBI would investigate such obviously illegal intimidation by either side should be a given because it sends a warning TO BOTH SIDES that such lawlessness before, and more importantly after, the election will not be tolerated, no matter who wins and who loses. By a desparate POTUS giving a green flag to such flagrant lawlessness but only by his supporters, Trump is effectively also green lighting the rioting that inevitably will follow whether he wins or loses. That you think it’s great and it’s somehow Christian . . . kind of says it all.
@tsalmon
That policeman murdered George Floyd was on the video except that it wasn’t.
Your side has been making phony accusations for years. You think it justifies your policies. Sick!
Let me know when you actually have a reason for voting for Harris/Biden instead of slandering and libeling someone else.
Imagine for just a moment if this had happened to a Trump bus, and Biden supporters were responsible? You’d be howling to the high heavens for an investigation and arrests if crimes were committed, and you’d get it.
I recall very recently Trump went for a walk across the White House lawn and protestors had to be dispersed so they couldn’t accost him. Didn’t seem to bother you. You were more concerned about the protestors being dispersed. So was the media. How dare Trump go outside without having to worry about getting attacked. They were “mostly peaceful” of course. How could security think otherwise?
“Didn’t seem to bother you. You were more concerned about the protestors being dispersed.”
Liz, my friend, now you are just making things up to fit your narrative. I have never even heard about this White House incident, much less did I comment on it one way or the other.
Were the protesters actually on the White House lawn (in which case, they need to but arrested – who has a problem with that?), or were they on a public street? In other words, were (as in the Biden bus video shows) actual crimes. (vehicular or other assault, battery, election intimidation, traffic law violations, etc.) being committed? You seem to accuse that I personally am guilty of some double standard, as if I somehow am individually responsible for what outrages the mainstream media seems to highlight and which ones they choose to ignore, as if the right wing media doesn’t give all sorts of actual unsubstantiated conspiracy theories plenty of oxygen (ie. the Hunter Biden laptop fabrication).
Trump is not responsible for crimes his supporters commit any more than Biden is. However, Trump is responsible for the crimes currently happening and the crimes to come by his encouraging those crimes. In fact, as President, Trump holds a greater responsibility and should categorically condemn such lawless criminality, or he IS responsible for it.
Biden has condemned all lawlessness. Period. By contrast, Trump has gone between giving armed vigilantes and dangerous White Supremacists his blessing and just giving them a wink and a nod. You want proof that Trump is a racist demagogue? That’s it . . . and you know it, don’t you?
@tsalmon
Actually you did hear about that incident. You complained that peaceful protesters, folks who had injured dozens of law enforcement officers, had been dispersed so Trump could get a photo at a church, St. John’s Episcopal, I believe
Sorry Citizen Tom, I didn’t see you’d answered here.
@Liz
Makes the point that everyone remembers except tsalmon.
I’ll give you a hint to jog your memory, TSalmon. It was the day Trump did the photo op with the bible.
You have it exactly backwards. When the Democrats label Trump Hitler, law enforcement “Stormtroopers” and by extension his supporters Nazis, they are encouraging violence against them. This is demonstrated by the level of violence happening right now.
Left wing groups have now published a map of DC, with addresses of GOP and conservative groups. And bridges. Planning for Election Day.
Now, THIS is what the FBI should be watching.
https://t.co/62Dz9kEm4k
“Actually you did hear about that incident. You complained that peaceful protesters, folks who had injured dozens of law enforcement officers, had been dispersed so Trump could get a photo at a church, St. John’s Episcopal, I believe”
Nope, that was a peaceful protest that Trump had violently dispersed with pepper spray and clubbings just so he could display as a prop (upside down) a sacred Bible that he obviously has never read in from of a church where he doesn’t go (and whose leaders didn’t want him there). The current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs apologized for his unwitting participation in that disgusting piece of racist propaganda, and it was widely condemned throughout the military by its leaders.
Sure let’s talk about that Trump debacle all day long because it perfectly exemplifies Trump’s racism, his blatant demagoguery and his unconstitutional lawlessness. But Liz mentioned some mythical Trumpian stroll on “the White House lawn” that I have never heard about and for which I supposedly condoned where he was illegally accosted by some fanciful protestors there. When did that happen?
@tsalmon
I did a post on this. Kind of silly to call a protest that results in dozens of injured law enforcement officers peaceful.
https://citizentom.com/2020/06/03/disinformation-or-news/#more-33473
@tsalmon
I did a post on this. Kind of silly to call a protest that results in dozens of injured law enforcement officers peaceful.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/30/joe-biden-is-a-pathological-liar/
The difference now is the news media is covering up for him. There is a solid case he accepted bribes, but you wouldn’t know it from the Liberal Democrat news media, and that ought to concern you.
http://christianoutlook.com/2020/10/20/rudy-giuliani-verifies-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-kevin-mccullough-rudy-giuliani/
“Left wing groups have now published a map of DC, with addresses of GOP and conservative groups.”
So are you responsible for everything every violent right wing militia group does in the name of White Supremacy? That is the logical conclusion of and retort to your accusation here. I just don’t see you as so profoundly and ridiculously obsessed with all this that you are ready to start shooting at his detractors if Trump looses (but I could be wrong).
Let me make this clear, whether I have heard about it or not, whether it actually happened or not, unlike our so-called President (and apparently unlike you and Tom), I don’t condone, countenance, wink at, apologize for or otherwise affirm violent protest or lawlessness by anyone, no matter what their politics, color, sexual persuasion, hair style, eating habits, musical preferences or blood pressure, and neither does Joe Biden. Period. Full stop. That is the difference between Biden and Trump, as if it were not more clear: Biden is basically a decent guy, and Trump has on multiple occasions proven himself to be nothing but a narcissistic, selfish scoundrel.
@tsalmon
What you do is blindly trust people who are lying to you.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . . This is only funny because otherwise we’d have to cry.
The virus will disappear soon he has been saying for six months as hundreds of thousands were sickened, hospitalized, and 210,000 people died and are still getting sick and dying in increasing numbers. We have record job growth he said as we have recovered less than half of the record jobs lost due to his incompetence.
And these are just two of the worst of the tens of thousands of documented lies, misrepresentations, embellishments. prevarications, misleading statements and outright whoppers that the fool you are voting for has made to your face just since taking office. And that doesn’t even include the thousands of lies he has told in his previous career as a conman, scam artist, bankrupt casino mogul and unreality tv star. Even his own sister, on tape, calls Trump a terrible liar who doesn’t care about anybody but himself.
And you have the nerve to make unsubstantiated, ridiculous accusations that a man who has always been considered, even by his Republican colleagues, as one of the most decent politicians in the country.
Tom, you are taking projection to new levels of derangement. 😂
@tsalmon
Lame.
No, I take it back. Trump’s worst lie will probably be thrown out sometime tomorrow night when he claims victory long before all the votes are counted, and maybe even after the election. has been called for Biden. 🤣
Oh, when it’s protesting Trump those folks are peaceful. I’d be a lot more concerned about a large mob surrounding me after a mob had ignited a church the night before (guess we know they weren’t the same folks eh? or was that peaceful arson?) than a few cars on the road.
Do you think Trump has Biden’s campaign wiretapped? Maybe he paid a foreign government to create an excuse direct the FBI/CIA to spy on Biden’s campaign! They could put surveillance on everyone. Then use the next few years to set perjury traps. Or is that not a fresh enough idea? Much like mob protests, Democrat spying is in the public interest, GOP spying would be wrong.
Original story about Trayvon Martin was a small child with a bag of skittles was shot in cold blood for walking through a “white” gated community. The media set that up and then slow leaked the real information over weeks and months. By the time everyone had the real story (six foot tall teen with history of violence snuck up and jumped on the back of Zimmerman, and pounded his head into the concrete while he was screaming for help, in a very bad neighborhood)
it didn’t matter, the masses become focused on the first fake story.
So too the Russia collusion hoax. If everyone knew at the onset the Democrats were guilty of everything they claimed Trump had done and more, that would be the story. Instead we get four years of lies about Russia.
There’s a reason the left leaning media will not cover the Biden story (it’s not just about Hunter). In spite of actual (unlike the Russia hoax) evidence in numerous sources (including two former business partners, one very credible), and authenticated e mails exchanges. When they cannot ignore the story any more (and it will be after the election) they will start slow leaking the real story.
The DOJ is investigating.
Writeup by a former federal prosecutor Citizen Tom might find interesting:
https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/02/what-to-make-of-doj-annoucnement-that-hunter-biden-is-being-investigated-for-money-laundering-n272105
Laptop audio, visual, texts, e mails, eyewitness accounts (not anonymous).
Crickets.
Meanwhile former intel officers hired as staff with no are referred to as “anonymous intelligence sources” with no LTOIV (Latest Time of Intelligence Value) whatsoever.
For a Direct test of the credibility of their “anonymous sources” look no further than “Anonymous” himself. The NYT promoted a fabricated story from a nobody claiming to be an senior insider in Trump’s admin., which led in turn to his receiving a seven-figure book deal. CNN was so impressed with his ability to lie, they hired him.
@tsalmon
See no voter fraud. Hear no voter fraud. Speak no voter fraud. Unless it Trump and the Russians.
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When you say the best intellectual defenders of conservatism have abandoned the GOP, I have to laugh. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out who Liberals think the best Conservatives are.
Your “best Liberals” are always telling Conservatives how to be good Conservatives. It is a lot like Communists telling Christians how to be good Christians.
Have you ever noticed I don’t tell you how to be a good Liberal Democrat?
How will the election turn out? I don’t know. I just know Biden is crooked, and the Liberal Democrat news media is crooked enough to cover it up.
Think it through. Slavery survives because people conspire together to make it survive. People have not changed much. We still have Democrats.
Ha! I’m not sure who you think put you in charge of such things. You can proclaim yourself whatever you want, but sorry, I personally don’t consider you a REAL Conservative, not in any historic sense any way. In fact, in the most traditional sense, I’m more Conservative and more Republican than you are or will ever be. You support Trump after all. Just based on all his past statements, Trump is less conservative than Biden. Trump is not a Republican. The Republican Party was just a target of opportunity for Trump, and he has transformed the Republican Party into his own image rather than the other way around. Trump recognized a xenophobic, ethnocentric, or to put it more succinctly, a nationalist streak in the Republican base and he capitalized on it for his own personal fame and fortune. There is nothing left of traditional modern Conservatism in the Republican Party. If he were alive, modern Conservatism’s founder, William F. Buckley, would be horrified by Trump. Buckley’s conservative protégés, George Will and David Brooks, detest Trump. Ronald Regan would not even recognize what has become of his Party, and his Republican VP, George HW Bush, famously could not stand Trump. The only living Republican President, George W. Bush, would go to the Republican Convention. The last Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, voted to impeach Trump, and the nominee (a war hero) before that invited his friend, Joe Biden, to speak but didn’t want Trump even as the POTUS, any where near his funeral. (Cindy McCain endorsed Joe Biden because, even though she disagreed with some of his policies, Biden is a decent person whereas Trump lacks basic dignity and decency to a level that would make Nixon blush and Lincoln puke).
You want examples? Republican are for free trade. Trump calls himself “the tariff man.” Republicans are for fairly unrestricted immigration. Trump wants to build a useless, stupid racist wall. Republicans are for a simpler tax system. Trump is for the most tax loopholes and giveaways possible, especially in real estate investment. Republicans are against government welfare. Trump is taxing consumers with his tariffs and giving the proceeds as a bailout for big agribusiness and corporate welfare for oil companies and the coal industry. Republicans are for smaller, more efficient government. Trump is for greater executive power without checks and balances and an administration filled with hacks, Sycophants, nepotism, blatant corruption and incompetence.
Unbridled by re-election and the need to pander to his base any more, I don’t think as member of the new Trumpublican Party, you will like a second term of Trump, especially if he loses the Senate and the House stays Democratic. Since Trump has never been either a Conservative or a real Republican, he may decide he is better off pandering to Democrats if they have all the power. I mean at that point what does Trump have to lose? His honor? 🤣
Many people on both sides, however, wonder what becomes of the new Trumpublican Party and the remaining Republican Party members if Trump loses, which seems more likely. Even if Trump tries to run some insurgency from the wings, he can’t live forever. Ionce he is gone, it’s not like there is anything like a Trump waiting in the wings to keep those good ole racist, ethnocentric fear and hate fires burning – I don’t think that there is a Republican Party in its current iteration without Trump. I think that it will have to reform itself to re-emerge as anything viable again. We’ll see but one way or another, things are going to get interesting real fast on Wednesday morning. 😊
@tsalmon
With respect Conservatism, I don’t feel any need for your approval. Your comment says it all. You said nothing whatsoever about Trump’s policies. All you did was cast aspersions on Trump’s character.
Much of what you said was speculative. Most of what you said was based upon lies — you never offer proof. What little you mentioned that has any relationship with the truth happened during a heated presidential campaign, a campaign full of people in the news media trying to provoke disputes between Republicans.
What will happen Wednesday morning? If we lose the election, most Conservatives will mourn, pray for their country and our new president, and go to work. If Liberals lose the election,… Well, all we have to do is look at what happened last time.
Character IS the issue. Not surprising that you don’t accept the facts as they are. Nonetheless, I’ll just stand by what I’ve already written. Read it over again. Trump’s indecency won’t really change no matter how much you may want to ignore it.
@tsalmon
After you voted for Obama, H. Clinton, and now Biden, I am suppose to believe you are concerned about character? Obama told blatant lies to peddle Obamacare, and he appointed judges that make absurdly unconstitutional decisions. Both H. Clinton and Biden belong in jail. But you are worried about Trump’s character? 😕😟
Thanks Tom for admitting it, although you have already more than made it clear that character is no longer important to you when you suppported Trump.😊
@tsalmon
Stupid posturing. Grow up!
Don’t you remember why Biden had to drop out when he ran the first time? Maybe you were not old enough.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/30/joe-biden-is-a-pathological-liar/
The difference now is that the Liberal Democrat NEWS media is covering up for him.
http://christianoutlook.com/2020/10/20/rudy-giuliani-verifies-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-kevin-mccullough-rudy-giuliani/