A policeman shot another guy with black skin. Is that politically incorrect? If a guy has black skin, a policeman is not allowed to shoot him? No matter what? What if he is resisting arrest? What if his behavior is dangerously suspicious? What if he is reaching into his car, and you don’t know what he up to? You just know you have a gun pointed at him, and he doesn’t seem to care.
Here are some of the reports I found online.
- BREAKING NEWS: Video Shows Police Shooting Of An African-American Man in Kenosha, Wisconsin — Protests Starting (redstate.com)
- Joe Biden Fails to Condemn Kenosha Riots; Calls Shooting ‘Systemic Racism’ (breitbart.com)
- Kenosha protesters, police clash in second night of unrest, ‘massive fires’ reported (foxnews.com)
- Video shows police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, shooting Black man in back (nbcnews.com)
- WATCH: Kenosha Police Shooting Video Shows Man Shot in ‘Back’ Multiple Times, Governor Says (heavy.com)
- Watch now: See video of Kenosha police shooting of Jacob Blake (madison.com)
Don’t like my list of reports? Too Conservative. Google: kenosha wisconsin riots. The Liberal Democrat news media doesn’t seem to have much interest in riots anymore.
Are there other reports that contain the answer to my question? Could someone tell me why this shooting justifies rioting? What is the cause? Is this just an excuse for a new kind of party with a looting theme? If every time the police shoot a guy with black skin we have riots, how does that help anyone?
Consider what the governor of Wisconsin said.
Gov. Tony Evers released this statement tonight:
“Jacob Blake was shot in the back multiple times, in broad daylight, in Kenosha. Kathy and I join his family, friends and neighbors in hoping earnestly that he will not succumb to his injuries. While we do not have all the details yet, what we know for certain is he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or in our country.
We stand with all those who have and continue to demand justice, equality and accountability for Black lives in our country — lives like those of George Floyd, of Breonna Taylor, Tony Robinson, Denise Hamilton, Earnest Lacy, and Sylville Smith. And we stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites.
I have said all along that although we must offer our empathy, equally important is our action. In the coming days, we will demand just that of elected officials in our state who have failed to recognize the racism in our state and our country for far too long. (from here (madison.com))
If you were a police officer, how would you like having that guy for your boss? How would you like that guy appointing judges?
Was the shooting tragic? Yes. Do I feel sorry for the children who saw their father killed? Yes, but all the empathy in the world does not justify blaming the police. We don’t hire policemen to fix us or all the problems in the world. We hire them to protect us from each other. If we were perfect, we would not need policemen. We would not even need a government.
A policeman or a policewoman is just another human being. Angels don’t seem to want the job.
Few policemen ever shoot anyone. Have a pity when one of them does. Even when it is justified, that is a difficult thing to live with. For better or worse God blessed most of us with a conscience.
Citizen Tom 
For those interested:
@Liz
Great news!
Who/what determines that “God” has given a right for someone to defend themselves? Seems to me that’s just inherent with being born.. any living species on the planet who can defend themselves.
@Doug
You mean it seems that you were created with that right?
I was also “created” with the right to take the next breath.. yet we all don’t prance around the countryside lauding our God-given right to take the next breath as if it were a political proclamation. It’s our God-given right to urinate wherever we want also… so why bend that to the will of others to tell us where?
@Doug
Our rights sometimes get into conflict. Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of another person’s nose.
In San Francisco the EPA is having to explain to the city why people can’t defecate on the streets. Disease issues.
Oh forget the disease excuse. We are in a science-denying world now. It’s more important our reproductive organs, or other normally hidden parts of our anatomy, aren’t shown visibly to offend morality.
@Doug
We have a germ theory of disease. We know about parasites. We have modeled how various diseases spread. For example, remember those models that showed how COVID-19 was going to kill all us old people. Believe me! There are nastier things in people’s fecal waste than COVID-19.
Anyway, if you don’t understand why running around naked is inappropriate, it is a little late for me to explain. I just think it is ironic that you brought up the subject and then implied I am obsessed with wearing clothes. You want to run around in California without your clothes. I don’t care. I am in Virginia. Just don’t put the video on my blog.😫
WTH? Who said anything about anyone running around naked much less me implying you should. I was making a point about government intervention… which evolved from the idea that defending ones self is a God-given right any more or less than any other thing humans do. Yet that one becomes a slogan.
@Doug
You want to use the term “rights”? You want to say rights are not God-given? Then define the term.
Lin L. Wood is part of the defence team, a lawyer who is prominent for defamation law suits and who has put the QAnon hashtag WWG1WGA into his twitter profile???? Not sure, that Rittenhouse has done himself a favor with that one.
@marmoewp
Don’t know anything about Lin L. Wood. Just know lawyers try to attach themselves to high profile cases. My guess is that things will settle down after the election. The immediate issue will be keeping Rittenhouse out of jail. He is at something of a disadvantage there.
Could you link to the twitter profile you are referencing? I couldn’t find it.
I don’t know anything about about him other than he represented one of the Covington Catholic teens (very successfully). I see the versions of the same thing with this teen…
mass vilification in the media without facts, then the facts come out and the story is completely different.
The other person representing him is a Harvard law school graduate with a military background. I don’t know much else about him.
@Liz
Sorry, word press exands the link to show the twitter timeline. You’ll have to click through to get the profile.
Thanks. I don’t know anything about Q anon.
@Liz
I’ll have to refer you to the wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
@Liz
@marmoewp
https://www.thatsnonsense.com/what-does-wwg1wga-mean-and-what-is-it-associated-with/
Qanon seems to be another one of those things the news media runs with to discredit Conservatives.
Kind of interesting that this Qanon thing gets all this publicity after all the stories about Jeffery Epstein. I have no idea how such a theory would be discredited. Proving something is not true?
I’ve been a lurker on this site for a while. So I just thought I’d chime in because this is an every week occurrence.
What needs to happen is that :
POLICE VIOLENCE NEEDS TO BE A HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION
When other countries shoot their citizens. The USA is quick to call that a human rights violation but when white supremacist do the same to unarmed black people then that’s proper police procedure and self defence.
The police are the enforcement arm of white supremacy and law enforcement has been infested by white supremacists and nothing been done to root them out.
That’s why all the madness and rioting on the streets is happening.
There are white supremacist beat cops, sergeants, captains, police chiefs and prosecutors who are using sheriff departments as havens and nests were white supremacist can be hired to kill black ppl and the white supremacist district attorney will back them up on it.
White supremacists are terrorists and they should be punished.
One more thing. Don’t let anyone talk about police training,
Cops have perfect training on how to deescalate situations as long as the suspects are white. All of sudden their guns don’t work.
@Keith Essien
Found your comment in my spam bucket. Not sure why it went there.
Unnecessary police violence is already illegal in the USA, and there is little evidence we still have a significant number of policemen who support white supremacy. Was that a problem in the 1960’s. Afraid so.
Look carefully at the two latest cases, for examples, that folks are using as excuses to riot. The policemen who arrested George Floyd may have been a bit brutal, but the guy was high on fentanyl, and that fentanyl probably killed him, not a knee on the back of his neck. Like Floyd, Jacob Blake also resisted arrest, and he had of record of being violent.
Not sure what you think your two videos show. Policemen actually kill more unarmed whites than blacks. It is actually quite difficult for most to pull a trigger and shoot someone. We don’t want to live with the knowledge we kill someone. In addition, when you shoot a gun in a city, you are never quite certain who might be hit by that bullet. That’s why we need to provide the police with better, non-lethal weapons.
It is unfortunate, but much of the Liberal Democrat news media seems to hate policemen these days. They even call the police departments run by Liberal Democrat politicians racist. The protesters the news media has inspired don’t even seem to care for black policemen. Call them racists too. Weird!
Too many Democrats run around calling everyone racist instead of dealing with actual problems. Why? Have you noticed that the places run by Democrats are fiscal debacles? Has it occurred to you that these politicians are trying to cover up the problems they have created?
If you don’t like the way other people are running your life, vote for people who will protect your right to run your own life.
From Slate star codex. I’ve referenced him many times here…he is left leaning, but fair. This was written five years ago but I’d say it is even more pertinent today. It is worth noting it wasn’t the right who threatened to dox him and caused the temporary closure of his blog. The whole article is worth reading, and links are provided within the writeup.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/14/fearful-symmetry/
A couple weeks ago there was a Vox article, America’s Never Been Safer, So Why Do Republicans Believe It Is In Mortal Peril?. It brought up a lot of cute statistics, like that the rate of pedestrians being killed by car accidents is much higher than the rate of civilians being killed in terrorist attacks. It joked that “You’re over 100 times more likely to die by literally walking around than you are to be killed in a terrorist attack.”
On the other hand, vox has practically led the news media in 24-7 coverage of police officers shooting unarmed black people, talking about how it’s a huge threat to our values as a civilization and how white people don’t understand that all black people have to constantly live in fear for their lives.
But a quick calculation demonstrates that unarmed black people are about 10 times more likely to die by literally walking around than by getting shot by a white police officer. One gets the feeling Vox doesn’t find this one nearly as funny.
But here I would perform another quick calculation. Here’s a list of people who have been publicly shamed or fired for having politically incorrect opinions. Even if we assume the list is understating the extent of the problem by an entire order of magnitude, you’re still more likely to die by literally walking around than you are to get purged for your politically incorrect opinion.
Some irony in the last…as he has recently been “purged” or would have been, for political “incorrect” opinion himself. Also, he has since provided a pretty substantial list of personal examples. But it’s still an interesting read.
@Liz
The is a certain order to things. First a would be tyrannical class silences and disarms its enemies. Then by the 10’s of millions it purges its enemies.
If we don’t want to be purged from “polite” society — murdered — we have to fearlessly speak our minds and keep our right to bear arms. Then we won’t have “social workers” masquerading as police officers breaking into our homes and carting us of in the dead of night.
Yep. I mentioned our visiting friend in a post on the other thread.
He was a military pilot who did airlift for the army for many years in different places. He spent a good portion of time in the ME and Africa. Wow does he have some stories, and they seem pertinent to this thread (re: lawlessness).
In Nairobi anyone with money builds an internal cage in their home, to hide in and watch while robbers holding AK47s rob with impunity. Sometimes military folks stationed over there rent out these houses. They are expected to behave accordingly. Just watch while the home is looted. Keep in mind, anything is fair game…one soldier’s girlfriend didn’t have time to get into her “cage” one evening and this went very very poorly for her. One might also note, there’s nothing preventing the looters from igniting the home with the cage occupants within.
At any rate, a couple of soldiers had their personal firearms with them in their cage. A firefight ensued. They won. The government proceeded to order them to leave the country immediately for this behavior.
But who gets to decide what’s unnecessary ?
White supremacist have infiltrated law enforcement
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67664284_101835354505133_4541027905123123200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=fUQnucpH5jwAX-GWtRC&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=a9e9e6247bf4fe7255a271ee46153a8a&oe=5F7489F8
Well it’s easy to say that in 2020. Whites denied the problem of racism in the 60’s just as many do today. Go and read any Gallup polls from bk them. Back in the 60’s most whites thought MLK was a troublemaker.
Killing black people will always be justified by most white and non black people.
If white people object to white people being harmed by the police then white people need to be as vociferous as black people are and protest about police brutality against white people on the same scale that black people do.
If all people get police brutality then wouldn’t you think that white people should be complaining about the police, rather than complaining about black people complaining out the police ?
But the fact is white people will support harsher policies from the police if they’ll hurt black people. White people (Generally) don’t mind a few white sacrifices JUST AS LONG as the police harm black people (Especially young black men)
It’s an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
But if the police started killing unarmed white kids and teens at the same rate they do blks ?
You wouldn’t just see riots. You’d see ambush attacks on police. You’d see pipe bombs, booby traps. White society would go to war against the cops. Just look at the Cliven Bundys of this world.
And I respect that.
That’s one thing I would give white society credit for.
You’d rather DIE than be oppressed or subjugated.
And I gotta respect that.
White people freak out at even 1% of oppression. This coming from a race of people who were getting out on the streets a few months bk angry at not being able to get a hair cut or play golf
https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118762517_336646964357303_1952639334722730366_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ydmmYeZJB2kAX_PCc7F&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=beaf3a30c25989d917a1150fbc0219b5&oe=5F739458
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118692804_336646801023986_4845269833732566798_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=oBly4_0JxEIAX9DQsE0&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=4ce88d57050bc9668885ec9bb90e62d5&oe=5F7127AA
Only people for whom daily life is pretty easy could believe that the closing of bars, gyms, restaurants, and sporting events was a tragedy.
Ya know who doesn’t think that way?
Black people.
You squeeze and pull the trigger. What’s so hard about that ?
.
O please. They don’t care.
Racism works by blaming the victim. “Yeah blk ppl get screwed but black ppl are screwed up anyway” “Look at their crime rate ? etc and on and on.
Matter of fact that women cop Amber Guyger who shot and killed Botham Jean a few months bk, because she said went into the wrong apartment, after she killed him, she texted her boyfriend and she went round to his place to go and flatten some grass.
They don’t care,
This is what needs to happen ?
1) There needs to be legislation that will penalise people for calling the police on black people for B.S on a state and federal level.
2) Every state need to be a hate crime law.
3) There needs to be a constitutional convention, that is the 13th amendment need to be ratified because that leads to the mass incarceration of black people.
4) Anyone looking to serve as an officer in a blk community should submit to a probationary period of four months. During that time, they would be on the payroll, but they would not have powers of arrest. They would have no gun. Their job would be to get to know the communities and neighborhoods where they seek to serve. Finding out what they want and need from law enforcement.
And after that the community would get to vote if they get the job.
Black ppl have inter-grated into a burning building and figuring out how to get comfortable. America was built on a cracked foundation and you can’t build on a cracked foundation
But now the media is trying soften the police’s image “O the police are just as disgusted at this at blacks are”
The enforcement arm of white supremacy is under great stress and they are trying to get blk ppl to settle. “Hey cmon, we’ll put a few negroes in this or that spot and that’ll calm you negroes down. I mean you negroes like to live vicariously don’t you ?”
This is marathon. Not a sprint.
@Keith Essien
Over 90 percent of blacks vote for Democrats. Yet they get nothing but persecution out of the Democratic Party. So, why do blacks vote for Democrats. It is what Democrats have been taught by the public schools and the news media.
We have all been taught things that are not true. Here is a personal example.
https://citizentom.com/2007/07/01/reviling-christian-fundamentalism/
I grew of age during the 1960’s. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X offered people starkly different choices. Most people accepted the choice offered by MLK. That was a huge setback for the racists, but they never give up. People are always looking for some excuse to hate. Because people look different and people are gullible enough to believe our racial differences matter, racism sems to be a good one. So, Democrats are at it again.
Mel Wild has put together some good posts on this subject. Check out this one and the others it links to.
https://citizentom.com/2020/08/31/white-woke-but-spiritually-broke/
Killing black people will always be justified by most white and non black people.
((snip))
If all people get police brutality then wouldn’t you think that white people should be complaining about the police, rather than complaining about black people complaining out the police ?
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but there seem to be a lot more white protestors than black protestors.
They recently posted the mug shots of six individuals who attempted to break in to a police academy, wielding “destructive weapons”.
They were all very, very white.
But the fact is white people will support harsher policies from the police if they’ll hurt black people. White people (Generally) don’t mind a few white sacrifices JUST AS LONG as the police harm black people (Especially young black men)
Well, it’s good to know you know what all white people generally think.
I can’t say the same.
I can only speak for myself, I am always relieved when police violence targets a white person instead of a black person. Or an active shooter for that matter (for example, I sighed in relief the shooting in Las Vegas was at a country western concert and not a rap or reggae concert).
Although I feel equally for the victim(s) (of whichever races) I rest assured civilization is far less likely to fall down around me as a result.
But if the police started killing unarmed white kids and teens at the same rate they do blks ?
Perhaps you are too young to remember a religious cult compound called the Branch Davidians. A whole lot of white people were burned alive there (accidentally, sort of) by “law enforcement” and most of them were children.
Just look at the Cliven Bundys of this world.
Lavoy Finicum, a member of this (actually peaceful and not destructive, as compared to antifa/blm) protest was shot with his hands in the air. Right on camera.
Where was the reciprocal violent response?
Only people for whom daily life is pretty easy could believe that the closing of bars, gyms, restaurants, and sporting events was a tragedy.
Ya know who doesn’t think that way?
Black people.
Well, I cannot speak for what all white people think so I certainly can’t speak for what all black people think.
I do know my sons’ roommates are all tired of the shut down. One is black (another other Mexican, another Filipino). He must be alone in his opinion.
Racism works by blaming the victim. “Yeah blk ppl get screwed but black ppl are screwed up anyway” “Look at their crime rate ? etc and on and on.
Matter of fact that women cop Amber Guyger who shot and killed Botham Jean a few months bk, because she said went into the wrong apartment, after she killed him, she texted her boyfriend and she went round to his place to go and flatten some grass.
They don’t care,
Last I heard she was convicted and sentenced. I don’t know a soul who justified her shooting, let alone blamed the victim.
4) Anyone looking to serve as an officer in a blk community should submit to a probationary period of four months. During that time, they would be on the payroll, but they would not have powers of arrest. They would have no gun. Their job would be to get to know the communities and neighborhoods where they seek to serve. Finding out what they want and need from law enforcement.
America was built on a cracked foundation and you can’t build on a cracked foundation
Just a brief look at
1. The rest of the world when this country was founded
2. The rest of the world now.
would indicate all of humanity is a “cracked foundation”.
Our nation is far less racist than just about any other on earth. Examples available upon request.
One point I agree on is the need to bring back police with a vested interest in the community.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-in-the-cities-they-serve/
@Liz
The idea of civil servants living within the communities they serve is a good one, but there are practical limitations. The paycheck would be too large. Either the housing would be too expensive or unsuitable. The schools would have to be private or they would stink. And so forth.
I like this guy.
Is this your actual name, Mr. Keith, or someone you admire for a moniker?
Eh ? What are you talking about ? Of course that’s my name,
What I am talking about is clarifying a bit your identity, as far as that can go in here. Wasn’t attacking you for any particular reason. Lots of folks use names of authors, musicians, etc. I’m a history buff so I was curious is all.
There are people using obvious pseudonyms like myself, some use their real names and some make up pseudonyms indistinguishable from real names. We have had a regular poster named Keith here, who died last December; this may have prompted the question. I am sure, Doug did not intend to upset you.
@Keith Essien
Doug is just trying to welcome you. We debate quite furiously here, and he needs help.😁
Anyway, you are welcome to comment and advocate your beliefs.
Myself? I don’t expect to change many minds, at least not overnight. However, I do hope that an honest discussion of the issues will persuade at least some of the people who visit here that it is neither wise nor necessary to force our beliefs upon other people. In fact, governments make a regular practice of trying to force beliefs upon people, but the results are almost always awful, violence and abuses of power.
None of us own the truth. We may know part of the truth, but none of us are like God, who is the Truth. Therefore, wisdom requires us to let others run their own lives as they think appropriate so long as they don’t infringe upon the rights of others. Unfortunately, such wisdom is not easily acquired.
Yeah.. what Tom just said is what I meant. I’m not aware of any folks of color who follow Tom regularly and post their thoughts so i appreciate the diversity. Mostly we are a collection of old white people.. pretty much epitomizing what the less fortunate would call white entitlement. I’m sure you would find this blog an ample feeding ground.
@Doug
Just so long as Keith feeds on you first.
.. pretty much epitomizing what the less fortunate would call white entitlement.
“Less fortunate”?
Yeah.. my disk jockey name back in the 60’s.. “Les Fortunate”.
@Liz
@Doug
Tom Fortunate here. I am fortunate I made to retirement without getting into too much trouble. Don’t have Doug’s knack for talking my way into trouble and out of it.
Now if someone could do something about the increasing ills, aches, of old age. What I would not do to be 25 again. Didn’t have much. Just friends, my health, food, clothing, shelter, and useful work to keep me busy, but that is rich in what matters.
Yeah.. my disk jockey name back in the 60’s.. “Les Fortunate”.
😆
Some people are just happy to incite unrest, like this charming specimen of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood and Hells Angels, back in May in Minneapolis. Looks like the broken window theory does indeed work.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-umbrella-man-autozone-fire-hells-angels-police
P.S.: It still takes other people to take the bait.
@marmoewp
Not sure what you are getting at. All I know is where authorities refuse to enforce the law, lawbreakers appear. The broken glass theory? Yeah!
IMO, few people go to a protest with the intent of rioting and the majority will have inhibitions against acting violent. However, when people protest grievances, emotions are running high and the situation can escalate quickly. Suddenly innocent and peaceful protesters have teargas in their eyes. I tend to think that “!§$”$”%&”§$§ the police” is a more natural reaction in that case than “Oh, I guess somebody must have provoked the police and they are probably really, really sorry, that they inconvenienced innocent bystanders.” Now add somebody who willfully starts breaking windows (see above), and a few others will overcome their inhibitions and join in the frey. Congratulations, you have just lost control over a protest. If you want to deligitimize a protest, this is a 100% win.
Does that excuse rioting and looting? No. However, it is worth keeping in mind that both agent provocateurs and criminals trying to incite chaos as cover for burglary can derail protests. I think, it is worth extending the effort to understand and weigh the grievance that is protested, if you want to live in a peaceful society. Whether or not you agree with the demands of the protesters in the end is up to you. At a minimum, you will understand your enemy better, in the best case you may even find a just and worthy cause to support.
@marmoewp
The protests are occurring in cities run largely by Democrats. Lots of the protesters seem to be coming from outside the cities where they are occurring.
The violence is intentional and deliberate.
This 17 year old in Kenosha is apparently a Trump-lover. Let me guess… inspired by that idiocy of the Machine Gun McCloskeys being held up as “law abiding” patriots to his gun-hugging base, as a nod to get armed and hit the streets?
@Doug
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/kyle-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder-absurd
My guess, since Kyle ran before he tripped and got scared enough to shoot, is that 17 year old is a good kid who needs more.mentoring from a responsible, mature adult.
I heard on the radio this morning that all the people Kyle shot had police records. They were looking for trouble, and they sure enough found it. Chasing and scaring someone with a semiautomatic rifle is suicidally stupid.
The police chief is apparently taking a few hits for daring to suggest that there’s a reason there was a curfew.. to protect citizens, and those who were out illegally after curfew and got injured/killed need to accept some responsibility for being there. Morally/legally the kid is responsible for killing… but people defying the law and placing themselves in danger… also bear a moral obligation for their own safety.
@Doug
Because he was not 18 or over, Kyle should not have been carrying a gun. Beyond that I don’t know what he could be prosecuted for. Killing in self defense only get you in trouble with Liberal Democrats, but that is not immoral or illegal.
That Blaze story is turning out to be fake news. Saw an interview of a woman with medical background go to the aid of one of the shooting victims and tried to resuscitate him. she indicated absolutely from her vantage point there was no “self-defense”. The kid just shot away.
But.. I am quite sure she was a Liberal paid actor.. a plant.. to bring down Trump.
Let’s keep in mind that in the major cities there are 35 Dem mayors to 13 GOP mayors.. with two Indy mayors with local Dem support. So.. quite possibly the majority of recent urban violence might be cities with Dem mayors.
@Doug
When the Democrats are painting Black Lives Matters on the streets, I am sure you are right. Black Lives Matters is a Marxist organization. They appreciate the invitation, no doubt.
My guess, since Kyle ran before he tripped and got scared enough to shoot, is that 17 year old is a good kid who needs more.mentoring from a responsible, mature adult.
How about starting with observing the law? AFAIK, open carry is illegal in Wisconsin for people aged less than 18. And as the people he shot, he was violating curfew.
@marmoewp
What is your point? Are we suppose to execute the kid? He did something dumb. Hopefully, some jackasses don’t convince him he is a hero. Hopefully, it doesn’t go to his head. Hopefully, he isn’t overcome with guilt. Hopefully, he is allowed to get on with his life and grow up.
Almost all us have all been foolish teens. Most of us are lucky, and we get through our idiocy without much consequence.
Trying to turn being a teenager into a political issue is just silly. The world is filled with foolish teenagers. Are we going to execute them all? Well, that would be kind of dumb too.
The dumb jackass who turned that kid into thinking he was a hero was Trump.
@Doug
I have seen too many videos of people at these riots thinking they are in some kind of fantasy world where they can attack people. I don’t know Kyle. So, I assume he is innocent until it is proven otherwise.
Meanwhile, you are already blaming Trump, and that is silly, but it does serve your biases and the biases of the news shows you watch.
Because of the lies that were told, we still have people claiming the policeman who shot Michael Brown shot him when Brown’s hands were up. However, the policeman shot Brown because Brown was beating him up, and he was afraid Brown would take his gun.
Biden still lies and says Trump is a racist because Trump said there were good people on both sides of the riots in Charlottesville, VA. Biden lies, and the news media lies. So why don’t you wait before you jump to conclusions?
Note: I did not bring up this subject.
I guess if you didn’t bring it up then I did. As much as I have the urge to watch the GOP convention I just don’t want to watch it and show up on some viewer ratings stat that I added to those “interested” to give him any credit. Of course.. the other plus is that I am not hurling vulgar commentary at the TV while it is going on… and keeping my blood pressure down. I’ll be glad when all these shenanigans are over.
@Doug
Why don’t you just read the transcripts. Otherwise, if you want to remain ignorant, that is the easiest thing to do.
Transcripts contains words, which are important, but so is delivery and facial expression.
By the way.. here’s the fact checking for his “acceptance” speech yesterday. Lies and inaccuracies galore.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/08/28/daniel-dale-fact-checks-trump-speech-2020-rnc-fourth-night-vpx.cnn
and
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics?order=relevance
@Doug
Factchecking of a speech you refused to listen to? That is so pathetic!😢
After I made that grand declaration of not-speech watching, my GF flipped it on in the other room and God made me.. rather forced me… to overhear it to the point I just had to go in there and watch the last half for myself. It certainly was an unworldly experience.
@Doug
Being of this world is not necessarily a good thing.
Agreed, but we don’t have that freedom of choice, do we.
Saw an interview of a woman with medical background go to the aid of one of the shooting victims and tried to resuscitate him. she indicated absolutely from her vantage point there was no “self-defense”. The kid just shot away.
Ah, “a woman with a medical background” indicated “from her vantage point” it “absolutely was not self defense”. We don’t know her vantage point (along with the fact eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable). I like the appeal to authority with the worthless point about a “medical background” though.
Obviously with the expert testimony it is settled!
But.. I am quite sure she was a Liberal paid actor.. a plant.. to bring down Trump.
There’s no need to pay an actor or “plant” anyone. The fact she was involved in the mob (which she would have to be to be in a position to come to the aid of the “victim”) tells us everything we need to know.
@Liz
The peaceful protesters are so well organized that they go to war with paramedics.
IMO, few people go to a protest with the intent of rioting and the majority will have inhibitions against acting violent.
After curfew, in the night….this is not the time folks gather to exercise their right to free speech.
It is worth mentioning that insurance often does not cover damage and loss due to rioting.
We have on the one hand, a mob that seems to be living life as though they think the world is a game in Grand Theft Auto if you do enough pointless destruction you get 5 stars.
On the other, folks trying to prevent the destruction of their livelihoods and property against a violent mob.
Good luck convincing society the first set of folks are in the right.
I shouldn’t say good luck though…if the majority of people side with the will of a destructive mob over safety, private property protection that ultimately isn’t good for anyone.
Hilarious “factchecking” Doug! Thank you for that…..
1) First “fact check” about ISIS and Obama….well Doug, even Tsalmon posted a link crediting Trump with being the only one to effective arm the Kurds. So…factcheck lies. SHOCKING!!
2) They “want to take away your 2nd amendment rights”
Well, as we’ve demonstrated so many times in discussions here, that is up to interpretation. By the liberal mindset, if we’re all able to blandish 200 year old muskets only, our 2nd amendment rights remain secure! So…factchecker LIES! Once again big shocker.
3) About Unrestricted immigration….since Trump is for legal immigration and has never stated otherwise, and the liberals are all condemning him as racist for doing so…this is definitely a third LIE!!!! By factchecker.
I could go on and on about the factchecking lies.
The worst is the Charlottesville hoax. Which is Biden’s main platform.
Trump condemned the white nationalists and neo Nazis competely….in those exact words that can be found on the complete transcript, last portion of which “factchecker” likes to delete.
@Liz
@Doug
@marmoewp
You replied to marmoewp. So I furnished the link to your comment.https://citizentom.com/2020/08/25/the-riots-are-supposed-to-accomplish-what/comment-page-1/#comment-95912
Actually, the Dem convention spent the bulk of their effort attacking Trump and his administration. In contrast, Trump attacked all Dems.. in other words.. you should fear 60% of Americans. Yep.. that’s unification!
@Doug
Contrary to what you might think, I don’t live and breath politics. So, I did not stay up pass 10 PM to listen to the conventions. That is why I have little to say about them. I will have to read the transcripts and listen to some of the videos, I suppose. Shrug!
Did Trump attack all Democrats? Doubt it. Since you said 60 percent of all Americans are Democrats, you discredited yourself as a source in the same sentence you made the accusation. To say to are biased would be an understatement.
The dumb jackass who turned that kid into thinking he was a hero was Trump.
Let’s play “name that jackass!”
Who was the jackass who made a campaign ad condemning the police shooting leaving out pertinent evidence which inspired this riot and the three convicted felons, two blandishing illegal pistols, to attack a kid?
I especially like it when the “fact checkers” disagree with personal anecdotes and call something like, “Why I left the Democratic party” a lie.
“Nope, that’s not why he left!”
Mind checkers all know. And of course, agree.
Helps the “lies” to add up that way. Supply unlimited.
@Liz
@Doug
@marmoewp
https://citizentom.com/2020/08/25/the-riots-are-supposed-to-accomplish-what/comment-page-1/#comment-95914
Thanks for a very relevant post, Tom. Riots achieve nothing. All the participants of riots are tools in the hand of evil geniuses who make them believe that they are standing up to injustice.
@Commander Sandeep Dhawan(Veteran)
Thank you.
Evil geniuses? No. Just greedy and prideful. If these evil geniuses succeed, many will end up dead. Their puppets will turn of them.
Yes, Tom, I fully endorse your view.
Reblogged this on Boudica BPI Weblog.
Thank you.
Don’t worry, Tom. Whether the shooting ends up justified or not, there were three future cop-haters in the back seat of that car that just might kill a cop, or cops, when they get of age to pull a trigger. Just pass all that on to the next generation. Nothing to see here. Move on. Right?
@Doug
So, you think rioting and burning down the neighborhood those kids live in is a good idea?🤨
You’d think after all these years you understood that. You sleep through the 60’s as well? If you don’t believe in social pressures being released from emotion since the founding of this country… sadly, destruction of property occurs at these things. Also, I replied earlier, civil unrest is going to get far worse in the very near future as people grapple with the isolation and lifestyle shifts of the pandemic, added to the severe political percolation before and after the pandemic, and if the election goes “bad” you can be sure of a lot more discontent.. and yes, neighborhoods will fall in the uproar.
Trump will presume, and then you will also, that all the violence is caused by “anarchists”, Antifa, and Qanon, renegade Democrats, wild-eyed maniacal Liberals… people brought to Kenosha on a moment’s notice just to give Trump a headache.
Yep.. that’s the ticket!
@Doug
Keep it up and you will have a ready-made excuse to burn down your own house on the night of November 3rd.
Speaking of burning, Trump’s maniacal “scorched democracy” policy will become even more apparent in the days and weeks ahead. The one to really worry about is if he wins in another apparently rare “anomaly” election where he wins without the popular vote. But not likely this time.
@Doug
The people burning those cities are not Republicans.
And you are sure of that how? I am sure there are a few Christians in the bunch… at least. How am I so sure of that? Simply a scientific, wild-assed guess that when you assemble a group of humans they all think differently.
@Doug
All the people who call themselves Christians are Republicans? News to me.🙄
Careful.. you almost made a funny.
@Doug
I am pretty sure God has a sense of humor. Probably explains my life.
Careful, Tom.. you’ll start to sound human.
Or maybe three future people who won’t ignore what the cops say and go into the car and reach for something when they say “don’t move” and “put your hands up”?
Just a wild thought of course.
@Liz
Wish I had thought to say the obvious.🤣
Hope those kids get pass that. Tough!
I think you are correct… that IS a pretty wild thought. Not too sure I would readily accept watching my father get shot by a cop and simply be dismissive with an “Oh well. Dad messed up.”
You wouldn’t wonder why your dad
1) Ignored the police officers warnings
and
2) reached into the car while they had their guns pointed telling him to stop?
Your dad and mine were obviously very different.
Anyone who wants to make and experiment can try this exact thing right now and it will most likely end the same way.
I find it difficult to ascertain what, besides increasing chaos- it’s also interesting to that law enforcement was initially introduced to protect the criminals from law abiding citizens from taking the law into their own hands to insure due process
@jeffw5382
Due process is something that takes a bit of contemplation to appreciate. When Hebrews originally settled the Promised Land, they designated six cities of refuge for manslayers (Numbers 35:6-34). Without such a refuge for the innocent, there could be dead before they were properly judged.
I don’t recall “Thou shalt not kill.” as having any disclaimers in small print listing all the exceptions.
@Doug
The commandment is actually “Thou shalt not murder.” See the newer translations. Here is an example => https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20%3A13&version=NASB
There are Christian pacifists who think killing is never justified, but Genesis 9:5-6 makes it obvious God has other ideas. Numbers 35:6-34 says God prohibits murder and death is the punishment.
“Newer translations”? What was wrong with the old translation? This is one reason organized religion is killing itself. But that’s a whole other argument.
@Doug
Organized religion? Well, there is the Bible, but churches are made up of people. The government uses force to keep people in “order”, but Christian churches are not governments. When they become governments, they are not churches anymore. So, Christianity is not an organized religion.
The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, and we just have good copies. The translations are good, but we have to compare and contrast to make certain we reliably understand what God intended us to understand. It is helps to read the whole thing and compare what different passages say about the same topic.
What you are really saying is that one can interpret the Bible (and likely all the others) anyway they so desire providing there’s an oblique scripture to quote to justify.
@Doug
There are scholars and dictionaries and rules of grammar and all the usual stuff.
There is also this.
Kind of difficult to obey God if you are deliberately misunderstanding Him.
So, the King James on which I was raised doesn’t matter anymore? That’s my point.
@Doug
I did not say that. The KJV was in its day a good translation. The printing press did not exist until the 15th century. Until then Catholic priest used a Latin translation.
What generated the force of the Protestant Reformation? Scholars started publishing the Bible in the language of the people, and the People learned to read. One reason they learned to read is so they could read the Bible.
You have the Bible. You know how to read. Why don’t you do what many have died to do?
Some folks have even memorized the Bible and can quote word for word and location in a moment. I tend to fall somewhere in-between.