IS BEING WOKE A MENTAL ILLNESS?

The Black Lives Matter movement is responsible for the widespread use of the word woke. (from here (en.wikipedia.org))

Where did the word “woke” come and what does it mean? Well, there are various theories, but there is a common thread.

Is being called “woke” a compliment? Maybe not.

Surprisingly, given the article was in Salon, Why I’m sick of “woke” culture (salon.com) provided the most interesting comment on the woke culture.

“Let’s coin a new phrase: ‘get active.’ To be ‘woke’ for most African Americans, to me, is the equivalent of ‘white guilt.’ It’s usually thrown around by the offspring of black elites, either Ivy League or prestigious HBCU grads, individuals who have no consistent ties to inner-city African American communities, where many of the issues they take pride in fighting for are simply the everyday reality for those who have no other choice but to endure.” (from here (salon.com))

Still, the author of Why I’m sick of “woke” culture  could not be bothered to mention BLM is a Marxist organization.

Think about this. BLW is a Marxist organization, and the “woke” Liberal Democrat news media cannot be bothered to take notice. Do Liberal Democrats even understand why Conservatives laugh or shake their heads when they arrogantly call themselves “woke”?

Unfortunately, most of the “woke” vote for Democrats. Most of the “woke” attend schools run by Democrats. And most of the “woke” get their news from the Liberal Democrat news media. Still don’t understand how of the “woke” can support BLW. They are not stupid. Haven’t they ever visited that organization’s website? Don’t they talk to each other? Don’t they know what it means to be a Marxist (see Marxism (investopedia.com))? I can only suppose that like the rest of us they are not as woke as they wish to believe.

God help us for we don’t seem able to help ourselves.

Are the demonstrations over? Well, the national news media’s coverage of them has diminished, anyway. Most of the news media seems to have figured out the “mostly peaceful protesters” were not making the Democrats look good, but not all politicians are that bright, NYC Black Lives Matter marches can continue despite large-event ban, de Blasio says (foxnews.com).

Anyway, do a search. See if you can find some local news reports of demonstrations.

 

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  1. NYPD Police “Reform” bill criminalizes the safest and most effective non-violent control tactics.
    This is the opposite of reform and actually encourages violent tactics…the fewer nonviolent tactics to restrain a suspect that are available, the greater the likelihood they will need to use force.
    This doesn’t seem matter to the “woke” folks.
    Police are already resigning. I don’t know how anyone could stay on the force once this bill is passed.

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    1. Liz,

      It’s strange how a “nonviolent control tactic” seems to kill people when it’s not just torturing them – remember that almost nine minutes of “I can’t breathe” nonviolence?

      Have you considered whether your unnatural overreaction might actually being exceeding the natural reaction of anger and disgust by most of us to George Floyd’s modern day public lynching? Find me a police officer who is quitting because he/she thinks that sick move was a necessary “nonviolent control” and most of us will say “God love you for your service, and please don’t let that precinct door hit you in the butt on your way out”.

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      1. The last base trained the military police in employing some of the Gracie family’s tactics. The marines (I’ve been told, at any rate) are also trained in these tactics, and some army. 15:17 to Paris (the movie, based on a real life event) was a demo of one of those tactics. Back in 2017, even liberal rags like the Slate were proponents of these techniques that trained policemen to restrain culprits safely rather than having to resort to deadly force. Folks from around the globe have visited to study techniques with the (Brazillian) Gracie brothers.
        Now these tactics will be criminal. And you call this an “unnatural overreaction”. Okay. Yeah, Perhaps worrying about law enforcement officers having the ability to safely restrain people, or the concern they will leave in droves is super over-the-top.

        Find me a police officer who is quitting because he/she thinks that sick move was a necessary “nonviolent control” and most of us will say “God love you for your service, and please don’t let that precinct door hit you in the butt on your way out”.

        This is a gross misrepresentation of what I said. I never stated nor implied the technique used by the officer was justified or justifiable. It is NOT a technique I am talking about and this should be obvious.

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        The NYPD Police Reform bill I discussed in my recent video is actually much worse than I imagined! Not only does it criminalize the safest and most effective non-violent control tactics, the officer is personally liable for a “criminal act” even if contact with the diaphragm was unintentional and caused no injury to the subject. Somehow people don’t understand that by criminalizing non-violent control tactics they are encouraging violent alternatives. No matter who you are or where you live, do whatever it takes to prevent this particular policy from passing in your city. _ Police Chiefs, more than ever, you MUST keep excessive force allegations to an all-time low, and we can help. Link in bio.

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        1. Well duh…. Look at your focus here? Everything about this post (and Trump’s whole shtick) and many of the responses here are written to spark a white backlash (or a “blacklash” as Larry Wilmore coined it), a gross overreaction to what you admit was our natural reaction of pain and recognition demonstrated in the massive popular uprisings that the public lynching of George Floyd sparked, an honest reaction of empathy and of hope for change that was long, long overdue.

          You want to pretend that because some politicians may swing a little too far in police reform, or because a few people took their frustrations out by rioting or tearing down some worthless monuments to white supremacy, or because, big surprise, some corporations are making merely symbolic gestures, or because a few scared idiots went and bought some guns that they are more likely to shoot themselves with than the rare black rioter, then Floyd’s death was nothing-to-see-here, and the national public outcry is just a big joke, or a mental illness, or best of all, an evil plot by hidden insidious forces to take down our righteous Dear Leader. Liz, if you step back from your snarky anecdotes and cute anomalies to see the 40,000 foot picture, you’d also notice that the overreaction on the Right lead by your Reality TV President is the real joke (and it’s only funny because of the painful absurdity that we think if we hit ourselves in the head long enough, our National headache will finally go away). It’s all a game of minimizing real suffering because Trump is failing, and the virus just keeps killing, it doesn’t care what cute hominem Trump calls it.

          But ok, I like snark if you really want to play that game. 😉

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          1. Absolutely nobody looked at that idiot kneeling on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and said that that seems reasonable (especially without even rolling him over to check on him when he couldn’t breath). No one.

            You want to pretend that because some politicians may swing a little too far in police reform,
            Pretend? See response above. That isn’t mine, that’s one of the Gracie brothers who have made their living training law enforcement and military.

            or because a few people took their frustrations out by rioting or tearing down some worthless monuments to white supremacy
            Oh, the mass violence and riots are just a few people taking out their frustrations.
            Kind of like a fidget spinner, except with weapons, deaths, theft, and fire.

            or because, big surprise, some corporations are making merely symbolic gestures or because a few scared idiots went and bought some guns that they are more likely to shoot themselves with than the rare black rioter,
            The fear of what you call “idiots” makes the point. Lots of “idiots” leaving these nice cities where “a few people are taking out their frustrations” also.
            Read somewhere 20 percent (most of the higher end real estate in Minneapolis) of Minneapolis is up for sale. That was a few weeks back, I’m guessing it’s a lot worse now.

            then Floyd’s death was nothing-to-see-here, and the national public outcry is just a big joke, or a mental illness, or best of all, an evil plot by hidden insidious forces to take down our righteous Dear Leader.

            If the folks looting and rioting really wanted to see police reform, they would be pushing for reform measures that work rather than measures the criminalize law enforcement officers who perform their dangerous jobs in a professional and skilled manner. Better training, not less training.
            While we’re at it…We can try having less crime? Maybe less drunken idiots stealing tasers from cops and shooting them at them? Better targeted policing, depending on the needs of the area. These shouldn’t be partisan issues.

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          2. And while I’m at it, need I point out the death of Floyd happened in a Democrat run city? But couldn’t be the fault of local government. NY City is turning into Gotham city (again) fast. Lots of Democrats running complete hell holes. Think they should spend less time screaming about Trump and more time trying to run their own cities effectively.

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          3. “Floyd was a drug addict. He was on drugs. He had severe health problems. We don’t know why that cop killed him. Yet the narrative police racism.“

            Liz,

            You’re trying to sound all horrified about how George Floyd was lynched, but at the same time making the case that everybody is overreacting. You want to claim that the Democrats lack your reasonable subtlety and nuance in understanding all these complex and dangerous issues of community policing. Then my lovely brother goes and says the Republican crazy talk right out loud and undercuts your whole argument.

            I love my brother dearly, but he hates Democrats so viscerally that if they say anything is unjustified, his default setting is to figure out how the thing was actually justified. Like a Trump, but with actual sincerity, Tom makes it so obvious that you shouldn’t believe what we all saw with own lying eyes that all your reasonable arguments just go right out the window.

            “And while I’m at it, need I point out the death of Floyd happened in a Democrat run city? But couldn’t be the fault of local government. NY City is turning into Gotham city (again) fast.“

            D’awe! You think I’m hurt by your saying that Democrats behave badly. I bet in my lifetime I’ve voted for more Republicans than you have. The last campaign poster I put in my yard was for a Republican State Senatorial candidate (she got robbed by another Republican). My Republican Governor has walked such a fine line between trying to keep people from getting sick and dying from COVID and appeasing libaty loving, confederate flag waving, misanthropes in his own Party that I may actually have to vote for him next time.

            The problem is that you want to be on the team so badly that you have to keep owning the next crazy, incompetent thing your coach says and does. I have no problem with your criticizing Democratic kookiness – I’ll help you, if you like. But first you have to realize that in a “Who is the moray dangerously crazy?” contest, between the Dems and the Repubs, the Trumpublican Party is always going to win that dishonor hands down.

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          4. @tsalmon

            I don’t hate Democrats. I have too many Democrats in my family. I look at their policies, and I get called names when I point out what is wrong with those policies. Abortion is evil. Redistributing the wealth is stealing. Race baiting is lying. Need I go on?

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          5. @tsalmon

            You are being snarky, and it my fault.
            Boowahahahaha! 🙂

            Blacks have a serious problem. They vote for Democrats who insist they attending rotten public schools, break up their families with illconceived welfare programs, finance the abortion of the unborn (especially blacks), and so forth. Defunding the police is just making things worse. The crime rate in black neighborhoods is soaring.

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          6. You’re right Tom. Blacks should vote Republican for any number of good reasons that we both might agree on . . . if only they didn’t know that the leader of your Party and the rest of the Republican Party by default just weren’t racist.

            Did you know Lincoln was a Republican? Most people didn’t know that until Trump found out about it and told them. 🙂

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          7. @tsalmon

            I see you are really on top of the facts and the issues. You accuse me of being hateful. Have you ever considered your comments about Trump? You gush up one unproven and unsubstantiated accusation after another. That’s loving?

            Democrats are encouraging people to hate policemen and riot. If that is not about hatred, what is?

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          8. “I don’t hate Democrats. I have too many Democrats in my family.”

            Another good one brother! Stop it, your killin me!

            I don’t don’t think you necessarily hate “a” Democrat but you definitely passionately hate “the” Democrats in much the same way that someone once might not have hated “a” particular Nazi and still Would have hated “the” Nazis. One could say that you hate Democratism or Liberalism, but those words, like Republicanism and Conservativism, have become so smurfy these days that finding an actual consistent ideology to hate, especially with the brain scatterpated Democrats, is impossible to fixate much actual hatred upon. Nope, this is totally with you tribal (And with some of them too) these days.

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          9. @tsalmon

            I should not have responded. Stupid! I know better. No one except Jesus can prove their perfection. Only Satan gains when we start exchanging personal accusations. If you cannot stick to the issues, don’t waste your time.

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          10. “I should not have responded. Stupid! I know better. No one except Jesus can prove their perfection. Only Satan gains when we start exchanging personal accusations.”

            True enough. This is a post about psychology, however, and I wasn’t trying to “accuse” anyone of anything. It was just making a psychological observation about the emotions involved in implying that your political adversaries have a psychological issues.

            “If you cannot stick to the issues, don’t waste your time.”

            Hatred is a psychological issue. Trump is a virtual catalogue of psychological pathologies. A leader’s psychological fitness and competence is always an issue, so I guess I have to ask why you brought the subject up if you didn’t want more than just a one sided discussion?

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          11. Sure. I think it’s healthy to constantly examine one’s psychological motives, don’t you?

            I analyze myself as being somewhere on the autism spectrum sometimes when it comes to figuring out other people’s emotional priorities. But all in all, I’ve learned with some difficulty to just try to treat everyone with basic good will and to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m far from perfect at this. I think one’s own mental health is a lifetime project that requires one to set aside some time every day for contemplation and introspection.

            It’s hard to know about such things, but whether it’s a level of obliviousness or self knowledge or just constant surprised gratitude at my good fortunes in life, I believe I am basically happier than most people. For example, I’m very grateful for you brother and this opportunity to discuss things with you at this point in life.

            How’s that? Now it’s your turn.

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          12. @tsalmon

            It is not all about me. God made everything and everyone. God is truth. To know the truth, we must seek His point of view. That’s why reason and logic requires us to remove “me”, “myself”, and “I”, from debate. Do I always succeed? Not one of does. Still, if you are going to attack me when I dare to disagree with you, I will strive to focus on the subject of the debate, not me or you.

            In fact, when we begin psychoanalyzing or ridiculing someone, I think we know we have lost the debate. Otherwise, why bother?

            We cannot change another person’s heart. We can only present our own side of an argument, striving when we do to put ourselves in our Makers “shoes”. Since God doesn’t need or wear shoes, we won’t succeed, but the effort will help to put us closer to the truth.

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          13. You’re trying to sound all horrified about how George Floyd was lynched, but at the same time making the case that everybody is overreacting.
            Yeah, it’s weird. Being able to say, yes no one thinks the cops behaved correctly there, but it’s still not okay to tear things down and attack people. And we still need police so when you take away their ability to do their job that’s also not a good plan.
            I wouldn’t chalk this up to “behaving badly” of “frustration” it’s more of a civilization thing.

            You want to claim that the Democrats lack your reasonable subtlety and nuance in understanding all these complex and dangerous issues of community policing.

            Subtlety and nuance. That’s a very generous and optimistic euphemism. The Gracie family is Brazillian…as far as I know, they don’t even vote in our elections. This isn’t a partisan perspective.

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          14. The problem is that you want to be on the team so badly that you have to keep owning the next crazy, incompetent thing your coach says and does.

            Hm.
            Murder rates have skyrocketed in cities and theft is rampant, but that’s just “frustration” and some form of “letting off steam”. Folks who buy guns to protect themselves in the face of this are “stupid”.
            ….And I’m the owner of “crazy” here?

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          15. @tsalmon
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            Note tsalmon wants to discuss what is wrong with the person who disagrees instead of the disagreement. That assumes we are wrong to disagree. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss except our reeducation.

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          16. Liz,

            You seem to think that there are only two sides here, the rioters and the reasonable people which, very conveniently, just happens to include you and amazingly, your incredibly divisive dear leader, Donald Trump. The vast majority of people in the country empathized with George Floyd as he lay dying and calling for his Mother. Many have (myself included), through this experience, come to realize a legacy of institutionalized white supremacist racism imbedded economically, culturally and legally into our democracy, a history that goes back centuries and didn’t just suddenly end 50 some years ago when I was growing up in the Jim Crow South. I think that to fully comprehend this institutional racism and our own often unconscious implicit biases that allow us to be blind takes some actual deep systemic study and some open minded introspection rather than the dualistic approach of just figuring out how the other side is perfectly wrong just so that we can can consider ourselves and our side as perfectly right.

            We all run the spectrum of being right and being wrong and just being complicit. The Democrats, the Liberals and the massive ground swell of BLM supporters (like my daughter) who took to the streets in protest are no more completely responsible for the few people who rioted and looted than you are perfectly responsible for that sadistic cop feeling that he could publicly lynch George Floyd and get away with it (although, in a way either explicitly or implicitly, we are all complicit to differing degrees with both evils).

            In my opinion, police restraint tactics are a surface issue. From a battlefield perspective, it’s like spending all our resources arguing about and tinkering with the Rules of Engagement while purposely ignoring why we are even in a war to begin with and how we might address the causes of that war. For example, no one is even worried about what kind of choke holds get used on rich white frat boys when they get drugged up, drunk and rowdy at a posh night club in a white neighborhood. No white kid ever gets pulled over only for the infraction of driving while pale and feels that a wrong move could end his life. As a white attorney, I can get away with being a complete ass to a cop even if he pulls me over for a good reason – it’s not against the law to be disrespectful to the police and to be a complete jerk (otherwise half the white guys in the country would be in jail) but it seems to be a possible death sentence to do so if you’re a person of color.

            What are the imbedded social, historical, systemic and yes, Tom, psychological causes and the possible solutions for our racial biases? Once we figure that out and work on it, then I predict that the problem of which choke holds can be safely used will mostly be an inside baseball procedural debate.

            However, before we can even address the real underlying issues, we got to at least quit the dualism and the tribalism of who is on what team and who is a race traitor and what trite religious platitudes we can throw at each other, and instead take a close, hard in-depth look at ourselves and our society to admit our common problems of humanity as well as our peculiar national original sin, all this before we can even get to the difficult and often imperfect solutions to those problems.

            You want to lecture on maintaining Law and Order and the necessity police restraint techniques and Tom wants to preach about the hopelessness of our human nature without divine grace. Duh…. I’m not the sharpest tool in the tool box but you’re not telling me anything that I didn’t know before I went to law school or before I read my first theology treatise. Can you even see how incredulous this might appear to a black person who has lived and studied the underlying issues his/her whole life?

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          17. @tsalmon

            The main source of systemic racism in this country is the bigotry of low expectations. If the schools we insist upon sending blacks to don’t even teach them to read, how do you expect them to succeed, much less stay out of prison.
            https://citizentom.com/2020/07/16/pride-demands-doing-it-my-way/

            The Smithsonian Institute is run by a bunch of academics openly glorifying the bigotry of low expectations.

            The police are not the problem. The statistics don’t say that they are. What you have are I want to be a victim anecdotes justifying the foolishness of guilt ridden silliness.

            Blacks don’t need to be saved from the police. Just like the rest of us they need policemen to protect them from criminals.
            Consider my latest post.

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          18. In my opinion, police restraint tactics are a surface issue. From a battlefield perspective, it’s like spending all our resources arguing about and tinkering with the Rules of Engagement while purposely ignoring why we are even in a war to begin with and how we might address the causes of that war. For example, no one is even worried about what kind of choke holds get used on rich white frat boys when they get drugged up, drunk and rowdy at a posh night club in a white neighborhood. No white kid ever gets pulled over only for the infraction of driving while pale and feels that a wrong move could end his life.
            If you don’t have security, you have nothing. Could this “institutional racism” have anything to do with the fact it generally happens in or around crime ridden hell holes?
            The data (for the thousandth time) does not support the assertion that black people are especially targeted by police.
            This isn’t a race issue, it is a poverty issue. And it isn’t solved by defanging the police. And it isn’t solved by a bunch of hand wringing and sign waving. Imagine growing up in a place where your cortisol levels are through the roof at all times. Not from those awful police, but lawless thugs running the streets.

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          19. In my opinion, police restraint tactics are a surface issue. From a battlefield perspective, it’s like spending all our resources arguing about and tinkering with the Rules of Engagement while purposely ignoring why we are even in a war to begin with and how we might address the causes of that war. For example, no one is even worried about what kind of choke holds get used on rich white frat boys when they get drugged up, drunk and rowdy at a posh night club in a white neighborhood. No white kid ever gets pulled over only for the infraction of driving while pale and feels that a wrong move could end his life.
            If you don’t have security, you have nothing. Could this “institutional racism” have anything to do with the fact it generally happens in or around crime ridden hell holes?
            The data (for the thousandth time) does not support the assertion that black people are especially targeted by police.
            This isn’t a race issue, it is a poverty issue. And it isn’t solved by defanging the police. And it isn’t solved by a bunch of hand wringing and sign waving. Imagine growing up in a place where your cortisol levels are through the roof at all times. Not from those awful police, but lawless thugs running the streets.

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          20. You seem to think that there are only two sides here, the rioters and the reasonable people which, very conveniently, just happens to include you and amazingly, your incredibly divisive dear leader, Donald Trump. The vast majority of people in the country empathized with George Floyd as he lay dying and calling for his Mother.

            Indeed.
            I’ve just recently come to believe in the rule of law.
            Back during the other protests (Obama years….three in Ferguson, and others I’ve forgotten) I joined the chanting and sign waving crowd.
            Come to think of it, I also only started agreeing with the targeting of terrorist leaders like Soleimani after Trump was elected.
            Thank you for point out my cognitive dissonance.
            [/sarcasm]

            ….tell me more about this “recent realization of institutional racism” that you didn’t experience before Trump was elected?

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          21. Wonder how many well dressed, diminutive women get beaten by the police?
            Clearly this is institutionalized sexism.
            But I suspect there aren’t a lot of diminutive men who get beaten by police either.
            Of any race.
            If anyone is really interested in measuring comparative data for police behavior, such measures have to be made.
            My sons for example are huge.
            They aren’t likely to get beaten by policemen either…unless they look and act like thugs, and happen to be in an area where thuggery occurs. Then they’d better be polite or they might be seen as a threat. That’s the real world.

            (side note: my wordpress isn’t working. I haven’t contacted them…haven’t had much luck with wordpress interactions in the past though)

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          22. @Liz

            Given that you use to be a moderator, I figured you knew what to do, but I wondered if you had tried.

            Sounds like a glitch. I expect an admin could reset something in your account.

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          23. One of our sons (they’re all over 6 feet) is 6′ 5” and 230ish. If bigfoot came out of the woods (or more realistically, a bear), I think that bear or big foot would pause and worry about his own safety. If he wore a hoody and skulked around the neighborhood in the dark, people would be reporting him for suspicious activity and the cops would come. This is…basically a crime free area. These arguments that take out all common sense beyond emotion are absurd. Done with this topic.

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          24. “The data (for the thousandth time) does not support the assertion that black people are especially targeted by police.“

            I question your data and the bias of those who collected it. The confusion may have to do with what you mean by “targeted”. Let’s just look at the facts.

            We have almost 2.3 million people in one form or another incarcerated in this country, or about .7 percent of pur nation’s population. With only 4.4 percent of the world’s population, we therefore hold 22 percent of its prisoners. This incarceration rate has continuously increased over the years even as crime rates, including violent and property crimes, have decreased.

            Here is what a Wikipedia site said about incarceration rates of blacks:

            “A 2004 study reported that the majority of people sentenced to prison in the United States are Black, and almost one-third of Black men in their twenties are either on parole, on probation, or in prison.[54] These disproportionate levels of imprisonment have made incarceration a normalized occurrence for African-American communities. This has caused a distrust from Black individuals towards aspects of the legal system such as police, courts, and heavy sentences.[54] In 2011, more than 580,000 Black men and women were in state or federal prison.[55] Black men and women are imprisoned at higher rates compared to all other age groups, with the highest rate being Black men aged 25 to 39. In 2001, almost 17% of Black men had previously been imprisoned in comparison to 2.6% of White men. By the end of 2002, of the two million inmates of the U.S. incarceration system, Black men surpassed the number of White men (586,700 to 436,800 respectively of inmates with sentences more than one year).[54] In the same year, there were also more Black women behind bars than White women (36,000 to 35,400). African-Americans are about eight times more likely to be imprisoned than Whites. The Sentencing Project, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit organization, released in 1990 that almost one in four Black men in the U.S. between the ages of 20 and 29 were under some degree of control by the criminal justice system. In 1995, the organization announced that the rate had increased to one in three. In the same year, the non-profit stated that more than half of young Black men were then under criminal supervision in both D.C. and Baltimore. In addition, African-American women are the largest growing incarcerated population.“ (If you question the veracity of these numbers, you can look at other sources and you’ll find that they are fairly consistent. In fact most Republicans have come around to the fact that something is terribly wrong here).

            The data also show that, in our current system, poverty leads to higher incarceration rates which in turn leads to more poverty. The reasons for this are complex but also are fairly intuitive if you just think about whole communities and families trapped in this cycle.

            We also have a history going back to right after the Civil War of incarceration of black men in particular in order to control them and keep them cheap as a labor force. In this way, the cycle of poverty leading to incarceration to more poverty and so on is a continuing feature of our institutional justice system, not only a vestige of slavery or some residual bug the will soon solve itself on its own.

            Finally, as MLK realized, all poor persons (white and black) are victimized by such a system. Poor and middle class white workers are incited into accepting a brutal status quo that lowers labor values across the board by demagogues who scream “Law and Order” spark racialized fears of insecurity with overblown specters of rioting black men who are coming to steal their guns and pickup trucks, take down their rebel flags and haul away their females. (Ok, that last part was overdone to make a point, but it’s really not that far from the truth if you just listen to the rhetoric coming from Trump).

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          25. @tsalmon

            The police don’t put people in prison. They arrest them.

            Blacks disproportionately come from single parent homes, do not learn to read and live in high crime neighborhoods. That contrasts with the 1920’s when blacks had stable families and were more likely to have jobs than whites. Then black boys grew up with their fathers in their homes.

            Remember this quote from President Ronald Reagan.

            The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help.

            That quote has proven imminently true for blacks. Ironically, many blacks fear the police even though social workers have done them far more harm.

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          26. “Note tsalmon wants to discuss what is wrong with the person who disagrees instead of the disagreement. That assumes we are wrong to disagree. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss except our reeducation.”

            Hummm . . . and Tom, what is the title of of your post that lead to this discussion . . . ?

            Hey, it’s your blog so you make up the rules to this knife fight – I guess you can keep changing them if you want to.

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          27. Given that you use to be a moderator, I figured you knew what to do, but I wondered if you had tried.

            Heh, that forum started WAY before wordpress (or even Facebook).
            The technology was prehistoric (and stayed that way, fortunately for me!).
            🙂

            Side note: Just to show I do see some of Trump’s faults, his recent “plug” for Goya did make me cringe a little. His tweets sometimes do. Obama looked and sounded presidential, but often did the wrong things (China, the Middle East, hiring Hillary, et al). Trump often comes across poorly in his tweets in particular, but generally does the right things (China, the Middle East, et al). I care more about results, but I’d be happy if he tweeted a little less.

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          28. @Liz

            Trump tweets to get out his side of the story. He has no other way that works as well, but there is a tradeoff. Being human, both him and us, sometimes he will make us cringe.

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          29. And not just his tweets and presidential product endorsements. Here is just one short excerpt from his recent rambling news conference:

            “We have great agreements where when Biden and Obama used to bring killers out, they would say don’t bring them back to our country, we don’t want them. Well, we have to, we don’t want them. They wouldn’t take them. Now with us, they take them. Someday, I’ll tell you why. Someday, I’ll tell you why. But they take them and they take them very gladly. They used to bring them out and they wouldn’t even let the airplanes land if they brought them back by airplanes. They wouldn’t let the buses into their country. They said we don’t want them. Said no, but they entered our country illegally and they’re murderers, they’re killers in some cases.”

            Ugg!

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          30. @tsalmon

            Trump spends hours in front of a hostile news media. Wonder why he bothers, but it does make the hostility and the partisanship of the news media obvious.

            What do you think he was talking about? What was the context?

            Have you listen to Biden? Running Biden for president is elder abuse.

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          31. “The police don’t put people in prison. They arrest them.“

            Wow? Seriously? I never knew that. I guess that three years of law school just went right over my head. Don’t tell Kate – she’s gonna want her money back.

            “Blacks disproportionately come from single parent homes, do not learn to read and live in high crime neighborhoods. That contrasts with the 1920’s when blacks had stable families and were more likely to have jobs than whites. Then black boys grew up with their fathers in their homes.”

            So all the problems with blacks just happened to start about the time that the Civil Rights Acts were passed. Everything was absolutely hunky dory before then. What have you been smoking? And are you going to share?

            Seriously Tom, I’m not saying that Democrats haven’t done their share of screwing things up. We can catalog the failure of all our political parties and all our leaders all the way back to the first slave ships if you want. We absolutely can attribute considerable responsibility to our founding fathers and framers as well as the framers of the Post Civil War Amendments who failed to follow through for another hundred years on the freedoms bought by tens of thousands of lives. Let’s study that whole 400 year old history for the whole truth and own up to it rather than just pointing fingers at anyone but our entire nation and what we did and failed to do as a nation. Only until we face our national sins, all of them, even now, can we, with God’s help, hope to find some reconciliation and atonement for them.

            And spare me the antigovernment platitudes. We have systemically robbed blacks for for four hundred years to pay for our nation’s wealth and power. Even if you disagree on how to reconcile such past wrongs, you can at least quit pretending it didn’t happen and acknowledge that all those injustices all have accumulated to this point and continue to accumulate in our entire justice system (not just the police), in our Heath care inequities (further exposed by COVID), in our impoverished black communities and in our disproportionate incarcerations, and on and on.

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          32. @tsalmon

            As usual you refuse to deal with the issue. Instead, you heap on the guilt based upon the soft bigotry of low expectations.

            This is just stupid.

            And spare me the antigovernment platitudes. We have systemically robbed blacks for for four hundred years to pay for our nation’s wealth and power.

            We? We were not even alive 400 years ago. Even our ancestors had nothing are descended from immigrants who settled in the North. Your guilt is not even remotely close to rational. It is just arrogant nonsense. The people at The New Times are peddling crap as news and history. We cannot fix or change what is past.

            And the silliest thing about excerpt is that without the use of abusive government power, slavery does not work. But I am supposed to spare you so you can compensate people using other people’s money for crimes committed against their ancestors? Crimes committed by dead people against dead people? Leave me out this! It not justice! It is just arrogant foolishness!

            Where do stop? Slavery is an age old problem. Virtually everyone alive today has slaves of some sort in their ancestry. That’s why we have words related to “slave” we never apply to blacks => https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/slave

            Do you want to live in a damned, idiotic grievance culture, trying to correct sins 10,000 years old or forgive the dead, our ancestors, for their imperfections, imperfections no different than our own?

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          33. We have a metaphor in our holiest scriptures that says that we (every man woman and child) have been in some way culpable for the enormous sin of eating a fruit of a tree that was put off limits by God. It took God’s own son to pay the price of that sin that happened long before anyone was born, and certainly longer ago than a mere 400 years. Is it possible that one reason that the descendants of that first couple continue to be punished is because we continue to enjoy the fruits of the Tree of Knowledge, and that we therefore continue to share in the sin of corporate Adam and corporate Eve, and that we therefore continued the pay for a legacy of an original sin that began all sin?

            If that story is not to much for you and I to believe as an act of faith, then why would you think it is too far fetched to at least acknowledge the sins of our currently living breathing sovereign nation, a nation that still acknowledges treaties and debts that go back hundreds of years, especially if you and I and every American still benefit from what was stolen from others?

            Like the Original Sin of Adam and Eve that we all carry, we can at least start with an acknowledgment of the original sin of America. Only then can we at least try to stop sinning. Even Christ can’t save us until we acknowledge our sins.

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          34. @tsalmon

            You and I are not Jesus. Being grateful to Hiim is an acknowledgement of our universal unworthiness. He has made those who accept His grace worthy.

            Jesus has already paid the price we never could pay. Still, during the American Civil War almost 700,000 died to end slavery. When we don’t have to repeat what they have already won, why denigrate their sacrifices and the labors? Why this nonsense that you can do, need to do, what Jesus has already done?

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          35. TSalmon, your reasoning is basically: see, blacks have far higher incarceration rates therefore they must be especially targeted. Do you spot the logical fallacy there?
            How about this: Chicago has more murders than Iowa, therefore Chicago residents are especially targeted for prosecution.
            Or (unrelated, but similar logic): More male doctors in 1960 were guilty of malpractice, therefore male doctors are especially targeted for lawsuits.

            The data also show that, in our current system, poverty leads to higher incarceration rates which in turn leads to more poverty. The reasons for this are complex but also are fairly intuitive if you just think about whole communities and families trapped in this cycle.
            I would argue that it the only thing the data shows. Yes, there is a fatalism that comes with poverty. That’s why I’ve brought it up. Twice.

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          36. Tom,

            I disagree that Christianity works that way. I don’t believe we can use Jesus’ sacrifice simply as an excuse for our sins, past, present or future, Neither can we use the sacrifices of those who fought in the Civil War.

            It’s as if our parent’s generation stole a share of a huge farm from another family, and then enslaved that family to work the land for them. Eventually some of our uncles thought that the enslavement was wrong so they fought with our other uncles. But when that costly battle was over and the brothers reconciled, they never actually gave the deprived family a full share of the house back, but instead only released the other family from enslavement so that they could work the land in a legalized caste system, a system that kept them as permanently underpaid servants. Meanwhile, our generation benefited from the proceeds of the farm and from the other family’s continued stolen labors. We were educated, took out loans, bought more property, built up equity and made our farm the largest and most powerful in the land. One day as labor became more mechanized and we didn’t need the other family as much, we finally got rid of the caste system. We said to the deprived family “you’re free now and we are even steven” . . . but really, are we?

            Redemption begins with our acknowledgment and then our atonement for what we are and what we’ve done, that includes as individuals and as one nation. Christ does not do that part for us. His sacrifice and the grace of the Holy Spirit make atonement even possible, but we have some work to do ourselves, the least of which is our acknowledgment and repentance. It’s not completely one sided.

            We are not trying to acknowledge and attempt to repair the injuries that ancient Egypt did to the Jews or that the Roman did to the enslaved peoples of the nations they conquered. Those empires have come and gone. America is very much a going concern and we are all members of that going concern. We benefit from its rights, and its wrongs. We gain rights from citizenship and we therefore owe moral responsibilities.

            Reparations? I don’t know if that is even possible, or how it could be done. I’m a pragmatist far more than I am an idealist. Why don’t we just start with an acknowledgment of truth, then we can fight about the practicalities of reconciliation?

            Why are we often so afraid of truth? You’ve said it yourself many times, even in your latest post.. It’s because truth hits our prides and fears, right where it hurts, doesn’t it?

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          37. @tsalmon

            The truth is Democrats are just trying to cook up another excuse for dividing us.

            Pointing to grievances we don’t have the wisdom to solve is pointless. We can all wish we had different parents, but we cannot do anything about it, and that is the sum total of your complaint.

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          38. Liz,

            Come on Liz, don’t try to baffle a lawyer with bullshit. That’s my job. It seems that you are trying to make some lawyerly distinction between causation and correlation. It just doesn’t work.

            Data is a snapshot in time, but it is meaningless as a matter of either but/for or proximate causation without the context of history. You got to study the “but” before you get to the “for”. Are the damages connected more than just circumstantially enough to the cause to attribute legal or moral liability?

            Without the “but” of three hundred years of bondage and a hundred years of Jim Crow based upon a notion of white supremacy, would blacks have ended up in the “for” of extreme numbers stuck a cycle of incarceration and poverty? Obviously not! Did blacks somehow just land out of the sky into high crime areas of inner cities and high poverty rural areas like the Mississippi Delta or was there an unbroken historical causation, one link after another in a connected chain of oppression and deprivation based again on the concept of white supremacy and black inferiority? That history is really not in dispute, unless one has been living under a rock.

            It’s just not that hard to prove both types of causation in this case unless you just want to pretend we woke up on this planet as a complete nation yesterday and ignore our entire history. The data showing these dramatic correlations between race and incarceration, race and bad healthcare outcomes, race and poverty, race and crime, race and police brutality, that is just icing on the causation cake.

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          39. “The truth is Democrats are just trying to cook up another excuse for dividing us.“

            Wouldn’t know, they don’t consult me. I only know what I think. Thank God that I don’t have to defend every racist and incompetent thing Trump says and does every day.

            However, I think that your conspiracy theory gives the Dems far more diabolical competence than they actually have. It’s also kinda patronizing to everyone else, especially black folks, don’t you think?

            Oh well, nuf said. Thanks for the entertainment.

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          40. Come on Liz, don’t try to baffle a lawyer with bullshit. That’s my job.

            I can tell.
            But it doesn’t require bullshit. Unless you are suggesting that black people are being incarcerated when they have committed no crimes, as compared to others (you’ve provided no such examples so that doesn’t seem to be the case).
            So you’ve offered nothing whatsoever to support the assertion that black people are especially targeted by police…which would objectively mean they are more likely to be charged with crimes and/or treated differently than someone else would be in exactly the same circumstances.

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          41. “So you’ve offered nothing whatsoever to support the assertion that black people are especially targeted by police…which would objectively mean they are more likely to be charged with crimes and/or treated differently than someone else would be in exactly the same circumstances.”

            Well, that’s absolutely true . . . if you ignore everything I’ve written here and all the other evidence to the contrary.

            Once again, it depends upon what you mean by targeted and whether one includes only police or the whole justice system.

            Black people, including the only black Republican Senator, report being pulled over or stopped and questioned by police at much higher rates than their white contemporaries. A Justice Department investigation of the Ferguson police foundi that they were essentially funding the police department by pulling over black residents for minor infractions at much higher rates compared to population than white residents. Laws that prosecuted crack cocaine distribution and use (a drug predominantly used by blacks) had much higher penalties and were much more strictly enforced per capita of abuse than those for cocaine abuse and distribution by whites. I’ve already mentioned the differences in prosecution between drug abuses and distribution against poor blacks verses the victimization of opioid abuse by rural whites and the hand slap for the doctors, manufacturers and pharmacy pushers. The statistical data on differential prosecution rates for nonviolent crimes by blacks verses whites are legion. The problem isn’t finding such statistical distinctions, it’s being overwhelmed by it.

            Finally, your argument that blacks simply commit more crime begs a question of causation that the history itself can only answer for you. Only the white supremacist would say out loud that there is something about skin pigment that makes a person morally inferior so as to be inclined toward crime (although many people think it and imply it without actually saying it out loud). Any other thinking person who lives in history knows exactly what I’ve already told you, that that cycle of poverty and crime and incarceration has a chain of causation that was purposeful and goes back over a hundred years. Look at the history of black incarceration for prison labor at Parchman in Mississippi. Look at how sharecroppers escaping North were pulled off trains by police, had their money taken and then were often returned home to work at slave labor pay or carted off to prison on trumped up charges to be sold out as prison labor.

            You didn’t learn any of that in school? Me neither. They left that part out of my Mississippi History classes. We weren’t even taught that the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery? There are plenty of good books coming out lately though if you’re interested. Good luck with your eventual awokening. 🤓

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          42. @tsalmon

            BTW – I got a much larger chunk of my education outside the South than you did. I have read enough to know full well that slavery divided the South from the North. I also know that blacks sold blacks into slavery. Slavery has little to do with skin color. It is a sin of pride.

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          43. “I also know that blacks sold blacks into slavery. Slavery has little to do with skin color. It is a sin of pride.”

            This is too precious to let go. Do you really believe your own propaganda?

            I’ve been to the old black slave auction house in New Orleans (it’s a restaurant now). Where exactly were the white slave auction houses there where they paraded white men and women naked to check out the breeding stock? And where were the slave ships headed to the South where they packed white men, women, and children below decks like sardines laying on top of each other in their own and each other’s ’ urine, feces and menstrual fluids until, in their madness, those that continued to survive took every opportunity to jump overboard to be eaten by the sharks that learned to follow those death ships? Did you get all that in your more woke Northern education?

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          44. @tsalmon

            Slavery still exists in Africa. American companies sell products produced by slave labor in China. America did not invent slavery, and it has not gone away.

            So, how did the captains of the slave ships acquire their cargo when they arrived in Africa? They bought blacks from blacks. So black tribes attacked and enslaved others.

            Blacks still war in Africa. You may remember the Hutus and the Tutsi fought each other not too long ago.

            The word slave originated from the word Slav. In ancient times Slavs were popular choice for slavery.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter1.shtml#:~:text=The%20term%20slave%20has%20its,of%20forced%20and%20unpaid%20labour.

            You going to fix it up for those of Slavic ancestry too.

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          45. Tom,

            Your anthropological and etymological scholarship on the human psychological propensity to place other humans in various forms of bondage notwithstanding, the American experience of slavery and then Jim Crow right up until our softer and harder prejudices of right this moment have been based on the notion of white supremacy and black inferiority. To pontificate otherwise is not only asinine historically (where were all the white American slaves), it’s insulting to the memory of the people who have endured and struggled against that white evil oppression. It’s like saying to a German Jew,:

            “Systematic racial and religious genocide is nothing new or special in your case and there is nothing especially or uniquely evil about the German culture that hunted, tortured and exterminated whole Jewish families on an industrial scale. Look, some Jews turned in some other Jews. Jews were not innocent and the German people were not really guilty. Jews need to just get over themselves. Tear down those concentration camps and holocaust museums. Let Germans revel in their great Nazi heritage and fly their swastikas with pride. Jews are making the Germans feel bad. Of course, they’d never do that again and there are no German fascists always lurking in the shadows trying to take advantage of the minimizing and whitewashing of their tribal history in order to make it happen again. Remembering this terrible history is divisive and it’s holding back Germans who want to ‘Make Germany Great Again’, you know, like it was in 1939.”

            Tom, you imply that racism is about pride. Truth. Can’t you see that this unwillingness to face the truth about OUR nation, OUR past is just the sort of blind, one sided, male WASP centric cultural pride that is soft white supremacist racism and that can be the fermenting ground for the harder stuff? This making fun and deriding of the mere epiphany of this American truth which the Left calls being “woke”, that too is just false pride talking.

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          46. @tsalmon
            @Liz

            Let’s go through your complaints backwards.

            Did I make fun of the “woke”? No. I expressed amazement. What some call “woke” is dazzling foolishness.

            Am I unwilling to face the truth about our nation’s past? I think you are conflating two different issues. In order to understand history, do I have to adopt the soft bigotry of low expectations? Of course not.

            What about your comparison of the blacks with the Jews? Liz has already pointed out much of the absurdity here. Therefore, I can only add a bit. Observe that the Jews are probably the most persistently persecuted people in history. Is anyone suggesting we treat them like a permanent underclass of victims? Why not? Perhaps the Jews are familiar with this sort of terror.

            The nine most terrifying words in the English language are “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help. — Ronald Reagan

            Blacks would be well advised to stop expecting politicians to give them other people’s things. Selling your soul in bits and pieces to politicians is not worth whatever they give you.

            Was the black experience of slavery something special? No. There is nothing new under the sun. If anything was special, it was the effort to end slavery.

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          47. The Jewish comparison is interesting since you don’t see a lot of Jewish people running around attacking people and tearing up things due to oppression in their (comparatively recent) past. Particularly not with carte blanche. And a German can walk into a Jewish neighborhood and expect to make it out in one piece. And Jews aren’t harming each other with carte blanche from the public and shrug about their “frustration” during the tenure of a Jewish president (and after).

            Once again, what is the goal? The way things are being carried out, the goal SEEMS to be to keep these neighborhoods crime ridden hell holes. Which will do nothing but make the circle of poverty worse and give the residents fewer options. When Joe Lewis Clark took over the high school in New Jersey, he didn’t keep the bad apples and let them all tear up the school. If he had, he would have gotten very different results.

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          48. For that matter, you don’t see a lot of Germans breaking things and attacking and killing people (including Jews) and claiming it’s all to support the Jewish community.

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          49. Just learned that 40 percent of the gun buyers last month were first time gun owners.
            Been to gun shops in Colorado and Florida now and they’re out of stock everywhere.

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          50. “For that matter, you don’t see a lot of Germans breaking things and attacking and killing people (including Jews) and claiming it’s all to support the Jewish community.“

            No, of course not, Israel never drops bombs or fights wars. No violences to protect themselves there.

            You don’t think Germany constantly faces its past head on? You seriously think we have? Unlike the swastika, we still think a confederate battle flag is symbol of national pride and our President fans those racist flames.

            Why am I still arguing with you about this? Liz, either you are as smart as I think you are and you must see these obvious distinctions, or I’m the stupid one for finding it so obvious. One way or another, at this point on this topic, we are both wasting our time, don’t you think?

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          51. No, of course not, Israel never drops bombs or fights wars. No violences to protect themselves there.
            When is the last time Israel bombed Germany? They do bomb folks who have publicly asserted they wish to destroy them and knock the face of Israel off the planet. There is simply no parallel with BLM/antifa. If anything, Citizen Tom is right and this has all been a determined effort to divide the population as the goal posts move from a basic issue of police brutality that no one supports to an active attack on the population and demand that everyone….well, there aren’t really any cogent demands at this point. We must all just suffer and watch society implode and if you don’t like it you’re just one of the haters.

            You don’t think Germany constantly faces its past head on?
            I think Italy has slapped Germany with about 50 reoccurring lawsuits through the decades making more demands due to their past. Short cut: Germany doesn’t comply. Because they’ve already settled long ago. A similar thing is happening in South Korea where the governmental agencies rife with corruption capitalize on the comfort women atrocities. It’s about the most fraud-ridden program in a fraud-ridden government. Japan apologized and settled long ago but that does not matter they continue to claim Japan has never apologized or compensated them. Which is a good way to keep the hate alive, on the off chance new generations won’t remember. There is definitely a corollary here.

            at this point on this topic, we are both wasting our time, don’t you think?
            Agreed. I’ll leave it here.

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          1. Heh, Yeah…I can “like” the posts now…but only on a different reader from the one I can post on. Can’t post under in my wordpress account, but I can “like” things now. My account, for some reason, is a little wacky. Maybe I’ll try again…let’s see

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      2. @tsalmon

        A policeman abusing his authority is not a public lynching. However, you have illustrated to a small extent how the news media turned Floyd into sympathetic victim. Floyd was a drug addict. He was on drugs. He had severe health problems. We don’t know why that cop killed him. Yet the narrative police racism.

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    2. @Liz

      I suppose if Republicans say defunding the cops is a plot to force black voters into the suburbs the Liberal Democrat news media will call them QAnon conspiracy theorists. Yet what Democrats are doing does not make sense unless we look for a hidden plot. It’s just that stupid.

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  2. Imagine you are observing some alien species, and they enter a building wearing a piece of cloth over their faces, sit down and take it off and talk, laugh, drink and eat. Put it back on to leave.
    Someone enters without the piece of cloth and a few of them scowl and go home and complain about it.

    -Would you think that piece of cloth was worn for cultural taboo reasons, or “hygiene” reasons?
    Anyone who says hygiene is a liar, liar pants on fire.
    Yet people on next-door will debate this. Heatedly. Like, so heated they will assert the bar/restaurant should go out of business if they don’t make people wear masks they take off upon entering.
    It’s certainly not mentally healthy.

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  3. Red scaring is soooo 20th Century passé. Why don’t we dial it up to full crackpot here and talk about your Republican QAnon candidates? Although his FBI as named QAnon a potential domestic terrorism threat, Trump loves to flirt with their loonietooniness and happily stokes their conspiracy theories of a “global cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles”. Seems like mental illness abounds with you Repubs as your shadows get projected around every corner, in pizza parlors and under everyone’s pillow. Boowahahahaha! 🙂

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    1. Bwahaha! Pay no attention to the screaming hordes breaking things, attacking people, and igniting buildings. They are completely made up. No “scare” there.
      Carry on.

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    2. Go to a firearms seller in your area and ask them how business is doing these days.
      Background checks have never been so busy for this “nothingburger”.

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      1. Liz,

        Yes, you’re gonna need your guns to stave off the Jewish “global elite pedophiles” lead by George Soros in their evil plot to extract hormones from your children’s’ blood, all part of their dark scheme to bring about the LGBTQ world domination in sea foam taffeta Mao suits. Only your AK-47 will save you from being forced into re-education camps where we’ll endlessly sing and dance “Hamilton” numbers. (“In the room where it happened, in the room where it happened, in the room where it happened . . .”). “The Horror, the horror . , . ,”

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        1. These aren’t the old firearms buyers, this spike in background checks would indicate a lot of new ones. Or, again, just ask your local gun shop owner.
          Also: BLM and antifers seem to intensely dislike Joos. (examples available upon request)
          You’re pointing in the wrong direction.

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          1. Tom,

            I don’t think Irish guys get to play that particular card since about a half century ago when the locals here decided we must be white after all. Besides, we fled here from a form of slavery; we weren’t dragged here into it.

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          2. @tsalmon

            Do you have to make everything personal. “I can’t play the race card because I’m white.” So what if you are white and Irish? Being a white female didn’t stop a bunch of white women behave like harpies and verbally assaulting black policemen for being Uncle Tom’s.

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    3. @tsalmon
      @Liz

      QAnon? First I had heard of it. So I did an Internet search. Popular subject in the Liberal Democrat news media.

      I think conspiracies exist. I also think Q exists, but we generally call him Satan.

      Anyway, have fun with your latest politically correct straw man.

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    4. @tsalmon
      Have you any idea how schizophrenic it sounds when the guy who relives the cold war with his Russia and Putin hysteria accuses others of being stuck in the 20th Century?
      You don’t need to dial it up to full crackpot. You’re already at full nutjob level.
      Are you not one of those who believe that Wladimir Putin is practically the 45th US President? Are you not one who believes that Trump is under the control of Putin? Are you not one of those who sees Putin’s hand at work everywhere and especially in the White House?
      Unfortunately for you, there is more evidence that Elisabeth Warrern is a Cherokee than there is for your crazy conspiracy theory.
      There is more evidence that Big Foot is an excentric member of the British royal familiy roaming the countryside in the New World than there ever will be for the crazy, paranoid Russia collusion story.

      Neither Marxism nor the Marxist roots of “Black Lives Matter” are conspiracy theories.

      Merriam Webster’s definition of a conspiracy theory is
      “A theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.”

      There is nothing secret about Marxism. The communist manifesto was published in 1848. Just like “Mein Kampf” the books of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mao where all published and anyone who wanted could read them.
      The world chose to take those works and their writers not seriously enough. Men like Churchill were voices in the wilderness.
      The effects of Marxism and Naziism were not theoretical but very real.
      Marxism killed even more millions than Hitler and still its danger is ignored. There has never been a deadlier ideology. Also, the radical Marxists in academia in the 1960s did not teach their hateful, devisive theories in secret. Their works were discussed in publications such as the Harvard Magazine.
      Those Marxists were the ones who developed the concepts of “white supremacy” and “white privelege” and who heavily influenced the BLM movement.
      Two prominent figures were Theodore W. Allen and Noel Ignatiev who called for the abolishment of the white race.
      The founders of BLM do not make any secret about the fact that they are marxists. Their goals are openly stated on the website of BLM.
      You can call it red scaring all you want but communism has killed 41 to 161 million people and it would be exceedingly stupid to not take this threat seriously. It would also be exceedingly stupid to believe that marxism has changed into something mild and harmless just because we live in the 21th and not in the 20th century.
      There is no evidence for that.
      Calling it red scaring is akin to calling the warnings of nazi threats brown scaring.

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  4. We could all use waking up a little by examining our worst ideological extremism at all ends of the political spectrum, if for no other reason than to keep us from identifying with a corrupt Putin regime and a morally cowed Russian Orthodox Church over a brave group of outrageous protest artists called “Pussy Riot“. (Didn’t their name alone give something away about their intent to shock with irreverence?). Whether one agrees with this particular riot or not, you got to admire their willingness to at least put their own skins in the game and take on a brutal tyrant.

    It seems to me that the only thing more cowardly than the Left’s “Cancel Culture” phenom Is the so-called Christian Right’s moralizing singular fixation with constantly trolling them, as if they and Antifa actually represented anything more organized or potent than adolescent angst. As if to demonstrate the height of our pathological national addiction to absurdities, when did we become such snow flakes that we imagine a band called “Pussy Riot” is part of some Deep State conspiracy to overthrow our supposedly ChristIan establishment with a dark scheme of empathetic “wokeness”. Orwell must be laughing at us from the grave.

    Yep, that’s definitely the worst threat that’s out there above our plague bunkers. In this international war against an uncaring microbe, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. . . unless of course a Pussy Riot breaks out . . . then it’s every man for himself. 😉

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    1. @tsalmon

      I don’t have much interest in obscenity laced entertainment, but I suppose they amused Putin. He did not give them something to drink with radioactive poison in it.

      If you want to discuss Pussy Riot, take up the subject with the person who introduced it.

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    2. Artaxes,

      I see that you’ve been obsessing about my supposed mental delusions. I’m flattered, I guess.

      I’m not sure what response I could give that would satisfy you. Let me assure you that I know the difference between Marxist/Leninist Communism, Stalinist Totalitarianism, the Nordic Welfare State, and the Oligarchic Mob run Police State with nuclear weapons that is Putinism in Russian today. Unlike other menaces past which chased doomed to fail deterministic ideologies, Putinism is not truly ideological, but instead cynically uses all the populist tools of racism, homophobia, and Russia’s unique sense of xenophobic paranoia and it’s revanchist pride at recapturing it’s lost empire (“Make Russia Great Again”) in order to manipulate the masses and maintain power. The only thing that keeps Trump from manipulating the same sort of hate screed filled ignorance (kinda like you just you have just demonstrated here) is that Trump lacks Putin’s brains, experience and competence. Trumpism is just a sad, inept wannabe Putinism. Nonetheless, Trump is still doing plenty of damage to our democracy on behalf of Putin and the modern threat of Putinism.

      Now you can put your tinfoil hat back on while I go back to living in the real world. I’ll pray for your eventual spiritual awakening in Christ. Whatever makes you happy my friend. I served in the military just to make sure you are free to peacefully chase your strange dreams, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It makes for a very colorful world. 😊

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      1. Apologies, this went in the wrong place. Hazards of responding to too many threads on my cell phone. I’ll sign off here now before I mess anything else up.

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  5. When I read the title to the post my knee jerk answer was and is a resounding YES—-I know about that band IB references— one of the members, Putin had arrested— she eventually was released and went right back to her shenanigans—I think they got out of Russia—
    The more I think about our ever growing and oh so woke society I think it may not be a mental illness but more of an empty void being filled with anger—

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  6. Tom,

    BLM is promoting socialism or wealth redistribution. History has recorded the numerous times when the wealth divided nations and revolution took place.

    The same scenario is now festering in the USA mainly the event or result of outsourcing manufacturing jobs and opportunities for the poor to become middle class rather than poverty and afford homes.

    Trump recognized the need and desire by voters to return jobs to but, in my opinion, his main opposition is a concentration of some very wealthy people who have made a fortune by buying for $5 an apparel for example made in a foreign sweatshop country and reselling it for $50.

    Frankly, in history, an event occurs that triggers revolution.

    Sadly, during Trump’s term he has experienced the resistance of the power groups than own the press, the death of a black man on national TV, and COVID-19.
    If he loses the next election, BLM will gain a foothold of power at the National level, in my opinion.

    The present ultra-rich will get woke when that happens. What economic event may occur as a result of the 2020 election may be an even worse event for everyone including the ultra rich.

    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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    1. @Scatterwisdom

      Well said!

      What I think the ultra rich want is crony capitalism. What the don’t seem to grasp is that Nazi Germany had a crony capitalist system. So does China. What the ultra rich don’t seem to understand is that in a totalitarian state they won’t even own their self.

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      1. Tom,
        Best solution to end crony capitalism in to reduce Government employment in my opinion.

        Too many fingers in the pot has infected our Nation.

        Regards and goodwill blogging.

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  7. LOL! Oh dear. BLM and Marxism is nothing, being “woke” actually has a Russian connection! The word has kind of been in use for a long time in the black community, but it wasn’t until Erykah Badu came out in solidarity with the Russian rock group “Pussy Riot” in 2012 that the word “woke” really went viral and got hijacked by BLM. Pussy Riot is a Russian radical feminist punk rock group, very sexually suggestive and pro LGBT. Also, they hate Putin and Christianity. The group staged a very sexually graphic performance inside Moscow’s Cathedral of Christ the Saviour on February 21, 2012. So Putin threw them all in jail for hooliganism. Eventually they were released and actually went on to make a mocking MAGA video, BEFORE Trump won the election. Naturally he is pretty much portrayed as a dictator, storm trooper, nazi, and there is lots of violence as he tortures and oppresses everyone. “I can’t breathe” is another one of their songs, which also became a BLM slogan. Pussy Riot belongs to a Russian anarchist gang, not unlike our Antifa.

    I just mention all this to share the knowledge, but also because I remember when Dems where seeing Russians everywhere, blaming Russians for the election, claiming Trump had ties to Russians. I spent some time trying to tell people, like literally Russian feminists and anarchists are infiltrating American culture, influencing BLM, and Dems are too stupid to understand how they are being played and used as useful idiots in a game of psy/ops intended to take down our country. It sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but everything I’ve just said is pretty easy to verify and available on the Google.

    Also, we toss these terms around like “Marxism” or “anarchists,” without really understanding that the goal is not simply socialism, communism, or lawlessness, the goal is to “burn it down,” exactly as they chant. To dismantle the patriarchy, create civil unrest, and destroy America from within. I really wish people would get “woke” to that truth because it’s clearly stated in the music, memes, mission statement, and chants.

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    1. @insanitybytes22

      Thanks for the additional information. Pussy Riot is definitely a mental illness. The Russian connection is weird. Frankly, I think most of them know it is not true. It is schoolyard stuff. Bullies say things about the bullied they know is not true so that everyone understands the bullied are outside the protection of the group. As adults, the bullies use the tools of the culture like music, education, and the mass media.

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    2. @insanitybytes22
      You said: “Also, we toss these terms around like “Marxism” or “anarchists,” without really understanding that the goal is not simply socialism, communism, or lawlessness, the goal is to “burn it down,” exactly as they chant. To dismantle the patriarchy, create civil unrest, and destroy America from within.”

      As a former communist, I have to commend you. You have come closer to the truth than most on the opposing political side.
      I have only a minor correction. For the Left the only goal is, to destroy the system in order to replace it with their own system. All the nonsense about the “patriarchy”, “white supremacy”, “racism”, “LGBT and transgender”, “the oppressive traditional family”, “the environment”, “climate change” are just means to destroy the system.
      The Left does not really care about all these things. First and foremost they want to destroy the system. THAT is their primary aim. Whithout destroying the old system they connot build the new system. Same goes for the “anarchists”.
      What is the system? The system is ANY system that is NOT communism/socialism or anarchism. Whether the system is a monarchy (Tsarist Russia) or a democracy (Weimar Republic) or a constitutional republic doesn’t matter. As for the “anarchists”, anarchism works … exactly for five seconds. After that it descends into the law of the jungle, which descents further into brutal dictatorship or rule by warlords wich is precisely the thing “anarchists” profess to be opposed to. That’s why I suspect that “anarchism” is like modern feminism just another tool the communists/socialists use to bring the system down. I suspect that those “anarchists” who are rioting, looting and attacking people are just useful idiots for those who want to impose communism/socialism on America (and Europe).
      .

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