clubschadenfreude and I had a debate on one of John Branyan’s posts, KANYE IS JESUS IN REVERSE (johnbranyan.com). pictures herself as a cat, but her comments tend to be venomous. ‘s comments are not something either to dwell upon or to encourage. However, if you want to understand the perspective of a thoroughly militant Atheist, they are worth sampling. So, I have posted one of ‘s comments and my response.
It is unfortunate, but and I did not have much to say about ‘s post. Nevertheless, I recommend you read it first. It is a good post, and part of my reply will make more sense if you do.
obviously visited ‘s blog to ridicule Christians, but for the most part she just got teased. I think most of ‘s visitors considered the wisdom of refusing to throw pearls before swine.
So why did I engage with ? Well, cannot physically harm me. So there is no danger. In addition, is not the only one who sees my comments.
When attacks Christianity, she sounds confident and knowledgeable, but her arguments are intrinsically weak and hollow.
- doesn’t actually make logical or reasoned arguments. She launches personal attacks and distorts scripture.
- is full of bile and hatred for Christians. The more she writes the less sympathy she elicits.
When she reveals herself and what she believes, makes Atheism unattractive and Christianity more attractive by comparison. words illustrate the darkened heart of an Atheist.
Here is ‘s comment. It is hardly the worst. This one, her reply to my last comment (below), was more blasphemous and contains more explicit distortions of scripture.
Tom, your claims of personal incredulity aren’t important to anyone but you.
Nope, most of the human race doesn’t’ engage in hypocrisy. You might, and you do try to lie about me being angry. That is a common tactic of Christians, making false claims like that about atheists in order to ignore what I’ve said. Yep, I do hold you accountable to what you claim to believe. It’s interesting that you don’t like that. Exactly how am I being hypocritical doing this, Tom?
You again try to excuse your religion by trying to make more false claims. Fallen world? Where? That is nonsense from your religion. There is no evidence of a fallen world, just like there is no evidence of heaven or hell or your god. Nope the human race doesn’t agree about much, though we do agree in large part on what behaviors make civilization work. However, we are indeed just human. Your religion claims a magical being that supposedly handed out some “truth”, but strangely enough Christians act like there is no god like that at all since they make claims that they and only they know this truth and you have no evidence to support your claims. It’s just like theists are humans who make things up.
Good to see you deny that other Christians are Christian, Tom. This underlines my point well. You can’t show that they aren’t just as valid as you are as Christians. None of you have anything that shows your beliefs are true. As for Christianity and Islam being sects of Judaism, I think a good argument can be made for that since Jesus was supposedly the Jewish messiah, and many Christians run to the OT when they want to put their laws in public buildings and when they are looking for prophecy. I’m less familiar with Islam, but they think Jesus is just one more prophet in a long line of them, including Moses.
Nope, no repenting here since your god is imaginary and Christians can’t agree on what anyone needs to repent.
Yep, Paul said that your god hates one person and loves another. No reason, just a whim from this god. Fathers who are abusive don’t explain themselves. You are offering yet one more classic Christian excuse, that we supposedly can’t understand your god when it is convenient for you. But oh, when you want to claim you know what your god wants, suddenly that “mystery” ends. Per your bible, humans can understand good and evil as well as this god supposedly can. You should read it sometime.
Predestination isn’t a complex topic at all. It’s pretty straight forward when this god supposedly picks and chooses those who can accept it and those who can’t, then damning those who can’t because this is what this god wants, nothing more. Again, we have your morals based on might equals right. Dictators love people like you, Tom. We have no free will per your bible. If you want to claim your god does miracles and interferes with humans, then free will is gone. That you haven’t got a clue isn’t surprising. You make nonsense up.
There is no evidence for your version of your god, Tom, nor is there any evidence that this god is “finding” anything. Your god allowed a family to be killed so it could show off, Tom. It’s no surprise at all that you don’t want to answer my questions about that, Tom. I’m not in a “snit” but I do find it necessary to point out what your bible and your religion claim and how harmful it is. You seem to be willing to have your family killed if this god wants it done. That is disgusting.
I do understand the bible quite well. What I know is indeed more important than your imaginary god that you’ve created in your image. We know many things, Tom. But if you want to claim we know “next to nothing” I do expect you to not use all of the things that humans have invented and discovered. You wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite would you? You need to falsely claim we “know next to nothing” so you can continue to make believe that your god exists.
Yep, we will all die. The earth will be destroyed eventually too. So? I have no problem in pointing out that some imaginary character intentionally allowed a family to be murdered by its supposed archenemy so it could show off to this enemy who already knows who it is. The only thing that is preposterous e.g. “ contrary to nature, reason, or common sense” is your god. This god isn’t concerned with anything since it is imaginary. The point of this discussion is to point out the false claims and bigotry of some conservative Christians and the ridiculous things that the bible claims.
And yep, “If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” Paul evidently quoting Ecclesiastes: “15 So I commend enjoyment, for there is nothing better for people under the sun than to eat, and drink, and enjoy themselves, for this will go with them in their toil through the days of life that God gives them under the sun.” The dead don’t rise.
Here is my reply. At this point the dialogue has become repetitious. So I have decide to close my arguments so I can move on to something else.
I actually have better things to do than to try to refute endless streams of idiotic allegations. However, you do help people to understand how our president feels. So, I suppose you serve a useful, albeit unintended purpose.
Since you put so much effort into your comment, what is worth responding to? Did the Apostle Paul make an allusion to Ecclesiastes as you suggest? Suppose so. Note the phrase “under the sun”. That phrase is used throughout the book. It refers to life without God. If you don’t believe in God, King Solomon would say you are wasting your time. You should be enjoying what you can of your fleeting existence. Of course, if you get your jollies by trying to torment Christians, I suppose that could be your only pleasure. Sad!
Do we know very much? Compared to the Creator? Of course not. Compared to what remains to be discovered? Assuming we could know everything, what is there that we don’t know? Well, you say we know a lot, but I think it more accurate to say we know more than our ancestors knew. We don’t know what we don’t know. In fact, we have lots more questions than answers.
You say you understand the Bible. Yet you interpret what the Bible says in ways that are wildly different from the ways of those who believe the Bible is God’s Word. Therefore, your interpretations have no practical value except to sow confusion. That is what an apostate does.
You say I said that other Christians are not Christians. That is akin to saying I said a rock is not a rock. I don’t think I have said anything so meaningless, but that is a good indication of the lengths to which you are willing to go to distort the words of others.
Go and read Romans 8:28. Consider the implications. Then reflect on the fact that you jumped all over our host for suggesting that God might speak through him.
Was John saying anything arrogant? No. Every Christian is part of the body of Christ. When we seek and do His will, we believe He works though us. That means God will use our words too, but few of us have the presumption to proclaim we speak for the Lord. Still you had to take offense. Well, Jesus did say there would be people who would do that.
With your silly, insane conduct, you affirm the Truth of God’s Word. Romans 1 describes all too well how someone who refuses to honor God will behave. Sadly, you fit that description. You distain others and do only what seems right in your own eyes. That’s why it is so difficult to take you seriously. If what we say and believe does not matter to you, what is the point of replying to your comments?
Note that I did not try to argue with ‘s interpretations of scripture. Why not? Well, what would be the point? Everything is open to a thousand interpretations.
When we listen to what another person says, what do we usually do? Don’t we try to understand what they are saying? Is that easy? Not really. Ever try to diagram a sentence. Ever consider all the different ways a single word can be understood? When we put together sentences and paragraphs we string together words that each can be interpreted differently. If we don’t take seriously our obligation to try to understand each other, that is a real problem.
So, what if we don’t want to understand what another person is saying? Then we can twist their words and make them sound like they are saying something vile. If we are filled with hate and anger, we may do that. How does anyone argue with hatred and anger? A refusal to understand? What would be the point? This is why I suppose mothers resort to prayer for their stiff-necked children. What else could my mother do?
The Bible is old and translated from ancient languages, and it presents us with Truths we want to deny. It takes work to understand the Bible, but it doesn’t take any effort to misunderstand it. That is why only God can grant understanding of the Bible to someone with a darkened heart. Therefore, if you cherish and believe God’s Word, thank Him.
Anyway, if you are that curious, you can read the entire dialogue with . It starts here.