Why BOYCOTT OR SUPPORT? I saw the following on Candace Owens Twitter account.
What should Conservatives do? Should we boycott the companies and organizations whose values we don’t like. Don’t think so. What matters more? Who and what we are against, or who and what we are for? I think what matter more is who and what we are for. We want to stand with our fellow human beings, not against them. So if we support a good company or organization, when we can we buy their product or service or we help them with their cause.
You want to win elections. Donate your time, money or both to the candidates you support.
Citizen Tom 
Mom in law is visiting and we’re having people over this afternoon so I don’t have much time and haven’t read all of the posts yet.
Just wanted to say I really like this topic, Citizen Tom. So true. 🙂
Some morning awesomeness (F22 refuel praises Chick-fil-a with boom operator):
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/america-fighter-pilot-and-boom-operator-talk-chick-fil-a-sauces-while-refueling-an-f-22-raptor/
Hope you all have a great day!
-Liz out
@Liz
I just hope that guy’s wife or girlfriend doesn’t get wind of the fact of what he misses most.
LOL heh, that’s true. Didn’t even think of that. 😆
Doug, I was actually trying to train clients to begin learning how to visualize goals rather than obstacles. I found that most marriage “problems” were the result of miscommunication and unclear expectations, so the process of “forcing” them to describe their expectations of our work in greater and greater detail with more precision, started resolving a lot of their own issues. Sometimes what it resolved repaired the marriage, other times what it resolved was the realization that they weren’t committed to being married and didn’t want to be married to each other.
The other day, my wife and I were sitting in our favorite coffee shop when we struck up a conversation with a lovely young couple. She, a senior at our local Catholic High School, was studying for a summer AP Chemistry exam. He, a freshman chemistry major at Miss. State, was helping her. He, a Trump supporter, proudly displayed his copy of “The Mueller Report” just purchased from the adjoining book store, and that launched our conversation.
The couple self identified as highly ambitious and hardworking kids from good Christian families. I asked what they hoped to do. She said that she wanted to go to Vanderbilt, but for the high cost. Her family made too much money to get financial aid, and although she made excellent grades, her credentials put her below the threshold for scholarships. Lowering his voice so that our nearby black barista, Jeremy, could not hear, he said that the other problem with her getting a scholarship was that she was white.
I queried further saying that they had told me how they expect to get there, but they hadn’t told me what success would look like when they accomplished it. He said he hoped to have a good career and to make lots of money – to be very comfortable and secure. I asked him, if he gets what he hopes for, does he think that he will be happy. They both looked at me like I’d just grown another head out of my shoulder.
I recommended that they read a book, “The Second Mountain”, by Conservative Columnist David Brooks. He wrote the title down, probably just to be friendly, and they went back to studying.
Your discussion with Doug about what your couples hoped to accomplish reminded me of all this. Perhaps disillusionment or confusion about the short term just masks a hollowness of in our ultimate goals.
Do you think that viciously competitive and industrious but misdirected ambition can be a curse? Do you think that perhaps the person who, even though he also lacks such a focused goal oriented ambition, but maintains good industrious attitude of gratitude and goodwill might be better off?
As the saying goes, “if you don’t know where you’re going, any road will get you there”. However, some roads themselves still must be more pleasant and fulfilling a journey than others. It’s a cliche, but maybe the journey really is the destination.
I’m reminded of this from T.S. Eliot:
“We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.”
Now that I’m getting old, I feel this way all the time. I feel grateful, unworthy and blessed all at the same time. This is perhaps only tangentially on topic, but I’d be interested in what you, Tom and Doug think.
I embrace theology that includes two propositions: 1- I (perhaps by extension, humanity, but I am only willing to apply this to myself, because I know only my own thoughts) am by nature totally depraved, in the sense of being incapable of following God’s Law; 2- Having appropriated Jesus’ sacrifice on my behalf, I cannot feel unworthy because Jesus’ righteousness is imputed to me. I feel blessed, and grateful, but never unworthy, because GRACE is conferred regardless of worth.
@iamcurmudgeon
I like your answer. I think what you said about “depravity” was pretty close to what I meant about being “unworthy”, but because I can’t know your mind either, there is no way to be sure.
Like you, I don’t think it’s healthy spending too much time wallowing in my unworthiness. However, don’t you think that a part of the humble realization that one is “blessed” and the “gratitude” that one feels for it is the realization that one has gotten more than one deserves?
Regardless of the subjective source of that gratitude, I can’t help but sense that at least a part of happiness (or joy) comes from perpetuating in one’s self a sense of gratitude and with God’s grace manifesting that gratitude in graciousness towards others. It’s no coincidence, I think, that the words “grace” “gratitude” and “gracious” have the same root word.
In my experience, another word, “grievance”, seems to engender the opposite psychological effect from joy or happiness. I found it interesting that when you asked your clients what they hoped to accomplish, the first reaction that you described was for them to begin a list of grievances that they hoped to correct in their spouse’s behavior. On the other hand, it appeared that when you finally got them to figure out what they wanted for themselves, they each came to their own realization of what their own issues were and set about resolving them. I don’t know anything about marriage counseling, but The disconcerting part about all that to me was that, in some cases, the marriages failed because one or both of your spouse’s goals ended up being more important than their marriage. What most often failed, do you think – the person or his/her goals?
My wife and I have been married for almost 40 years, and I love her far more fully now than when we first got together. I’ve lost count of the number of goals that one of us has had to compromise or sacrifice for the other, with my wife being the clear loser in this regard. This has instilled in each of us a sense of immense gratitude, rather than grievance, for the other. Do you think what makes for a happy marriage also can make for a happy life? Well, that and the deal we have that only one of us can be insane at a time – I’m not sure, but I think it may be her turn.
This has instilled in each of us a sense of immense gratitude, rather than grievance, for the other. Do you think what makes for a happy marriage also can make for a happy life?
Yes, and very well said.
I think the same.
Here’s a happy story:
https://www.goalcast.com/2019/08/08/actor-danny-trejo-saves-baby-trapped-in-car-wreck/
“Everything good that has happened to me has happened as a direct result of helping someone else,” Trejo told KABC. “Everything.”
Doesn’t that quote sum things up?
That has been our experience in life, too.
What makes for a happy marriage is EXACTLY what makes for a happy life–putting service to others ahead of self gratification. True self gratification IS gfound in service.
@iamcurmudgeon
@Doug
@tsalmon
Not the sort of response I would have predicted, but it is certainly on topic.
Makes me think about that phrase from the Declaration, the “Pursuit of Happiness.” I believe that phrase was derived from Aristotle’ book on ethics. Aristotle thought happiness resulted from being virtuous.
We have many unhappy people in this country, and the suicide rate is quite high. I expect the reason for this unhappiness is that we have taught our children to pursue success instead virtue.
If we want our children to be successful, it seems obvious to teach them to pursue success, but there several problems with that.
1. Without virtue, we don’t know how to properly define success.
2. Without virtue, we don’t have the character to achieve success.
3. Without virtue, success is meaningless. Even if we achieve material “success,” we won’t know what to do with it.
God created us for His purposes. When we seek virtue, we learn to become what He created us to be. The closer we come to what our Maker wants us to be, the more joy we will have in our lives
To learn what we should support, we need to learn what God approves. That is, we need to learn how to be on God’s side.
I dunno, Tom.. where you seem to favor applying some level of spiritual affirmation to living a full life, which could be very true for many, I tend to prefer to wrestle with simply being human as a reality, at least for me, as it seems to provide a greater cause & effect relationship with my surroundings and with others.
The high suicide rate has a lot of facets to it.. even demographics We will likely be able to isolate a clinical cause.. say, stress… but it will be far more difficult to determine what kinds of stress, the origins for that person or a demographic, is the more direct cause… enough to venture a treatment; treatment itself being another shot-in-the-dark remedy.
Tom,
I agree with all of that. Virtue is its own reward.
I fully agree with all that.. makes perfect sense. Often thought of going into the business long ago. 🙂
When I also have the opportunity for such encounters as you did with that young couple I am grateful in being able to actually gain some minuscule perspective “in the field”, so to speak. That’s the data collecting, stats person analytic of my past.
To your query…
“Do you think that viciously competitive and industrious but misdirected ambition can be a curse?”
Who judges that? Look at Trump for an example.. and no, I am not bringing him up for another political tirade, but he does fit the bill a bit toward answering your question. The common supposition that our behaviors are an evolved balance between nature vs. nurture, it would seem readily apparent that Trump’s upbringing was critically responsible for the caustic and morally deficient person he’s turned out to be. Very few people are actually born with these behavioral traits. All through his life he’s valued that behavior.. the bully factor… because it’s worked for him. Viciously competitive? Of course he is. Misdirected ambition? Of course, he has a lot of this that’s fed from acquired bias’. Has that been a curse for him? Hardly. But that’s not to say it hasn’t been a curse on those he has interfaced with all his life that ended up his victims in some form (currently the American public; had to add that to tick off Tom).
“Do you think that perhaps the person who, even though he also lacks such a focused goal oriented ambition, but maintains good industrious attitude of gratitude and goodwill might be better off?”
Humans are of infinite variety so it’s rather impossible to predict a person’s success in life (presuming we all judge “success” with the same definition). Again, if we use Trump as an example… how did a person with his character, demeanor, etc. end up holding the most powerful position in the world? Is being president of the U.S. a success story? Certainly we know it was very little true ambition for Trump wanting to be president, by his own admission. I still contend he did it from a dare at the dinner table one evening. He was just as shocked as the rest of us when he won.
We often give accolades to the early industrialists of the late 19th, early 20th century, for taking the risks to create new industries to feed new markets.. to employ more people.. to create a middle class. We often forget, there were no governmental controls on a damn thing in those days. No OSHA, no Security and Exchange Commission, little or no enforcement of taxation that started in 1913… absolutely no labor laws worth mentioning… no medical insurance.. paid vacations… maternity leave. Those industrialists that created the manufacturing base for a future America were using, abusing, and taking advantage of the average worker… and many times taking advantage of the customer as well as there were no product liability standards. You might say they traded common morality for greater profits. Was that defined as success? They got rich.. filthy rich… and loved showing it. They were pure opportunity grabbers (we call people like that today.. ambitious) and also loved sharing some of their wealth to the “little people” as philanthropists.
My point.. they were publicly despised for their flamboyant lifestyles yet they also inspired the young to push forward with their own dreams… pretty much based on greed. To specifically answer your question… who can say if a person of more purity of heart will be better off in life or not (assuming no divine intervention). What I am suggesting is that when we are young success is measured in dollar signs and material ownership. When we get older success is measured in quality of life to provide for the family. When we become seniors, like we are now, the success was getting this far, living this long, and being able to be thankful for the life we ended up living. It’s also realizing the old bromide… it was the road we traveled to try and be successful.. and less about not reaching the destination itself.
@Doug
This wasn’t really my point of enquiry, but it is a really great answer for perhaps more interesting enquiries that I hadn’t thought of.
I’m reading a book right now called “The Coddling of the American Mind”. It was coauthored by a moral psychologist who has written two other amazing books that I’ve read.
The book starts out with the two authors trudging up a mountain in Greece for an audience with a famous sage who will relate to them all the wisdom of the ages.
During their audience, the Barkalounger reclining sage grants them in perfect New Yorker English the three most important wisdoms:
1. What does not kill us makes us weaker. Always avoid pain and seek pleasure.
2. Always follow your feelings.
3. The world is divided between good people and evil people. The good people need to remain in constant virtuous battle to defeat the evil people.
The authors’ sage turns out to be a metaphorical fiction, but it sets the rests of the book up for a critique of the three fictions that, to a great extent, we are teaching our children, and that many of us must mistakenly therefore believe.
Is Trump a success? Like you said, it depends upon how we define “success”, but if we define it in terms of the three wisdoms above, then Trump is as you allude, unfortunately for too many of us, the absolute model of success.
You left the real question out there, but isn’t that the real question: “What is real success?”
@tsalmon
The real question is who defines success. Our Maker or us?
“The real question is who defines success. Our Maker or us?”
Yep. Happiness (or “joy” in Christian terms) equals virtue. Virtue equals God’s Will. God’s Will equals Love. All of these, through the grace of God (inspiring gratitude and graciousness) equals true success.
Perhaps equations for something so profound is an imperfect metaphor. One might better see it as a list of derivatives that compound one another as they loop, but you see the point.
The problem is seeing this and then applying it to life correctly. Look at the examples provided here: couples in counseling, the young couple at the coffee shop, the fictional Greek sage, Donald Trump. How are they defining success? Is it really in the terms you described? How not?
@tsalmon
Equations only make sense if they help to describe the world as it is. If we say x = y, and we fail to accurately describe either or both x and y, the equation is not helpful.
The examples, couples in counseling, the young couple at the coffee shop, the fictional Greek sage, Donald Trump, don’t explain how to define success. They point to problems that we have when we try to define success.
God’s will does not equal love. Consider. God is love, but love is not God. There is more to God than love.
Can we say God is His will? What would that tell us? Yet we do know we should obey God, do what He wants us to do.
How do we obey God? That requires wisdom, not just love. Love of God instills the desire to obey God, but it does not convey His will to us. Instead, love of God gives us the desire to learn the will of God so that we can obey God.
I said equations are an imperfect metaphor, but you may note that I certainly never equated (and thus limited) God to anything, not His Will, not even love, so I’m not sure where you got that. On the hand, it was Jesus, not me, that said that it is God’s Will that we love. I think we can draw some other conclusions from that, don’t you?
“The examples, couples in counseling, the young couple at the coffee shop, the fictional Greek sage, Donald Trump, don’t explain how to define success. They point to problems that we have when we try to define success.”
Agreed. My point exactly.
Is “wisdom” then ultimately your version of success? Is it wise then to love as God obligated us to love? Is it wise to, out of that, live to learn and practice virtue? Is it the wisdom in that learning and practicing of virtue that inspires happiness? Is it wisdom that this happiness manifests from and in gratitude for God’s love? Does the circle of wisdom continue, building as it goes?
Well.. there’s more to your couple. Both apparently interested in Chemistry… a physical science. He goes to Miss State. A fair university but still a state university, generally more affordable. He apparently has moderate “scruples” as to his chemistry degree not being from a school that would be positive resume fodder for his career (ie, going to Harvard for the law degree). She on the other hand wants to go to Vanderbilt. Just under Ivy league, socially, for sure.. expensive, of course… but not even in the top ten for chemistry. So.. do we take their proposed school of higher education as a gauge to their “ambitions”? The young man obviously got accepted to Miss State, but being a public school that’s likely less difficult than a private institution. He’s not from a family of “extra” money. His young lady seems to have gotten accepted at Vanderbilt… mom & dad make too much for her to qualify for a grant, hence a possible loan burden so she’s having second thoughts. Now.. all of us currently yakking in here are of the senior variety. Has anyone actually met ambitious, dynamic, charismatic people in the physical sciences? But it IS possible to achieve very highly in those areas. Authors, educators, researchers. Example, Degrasse Tyson; in spite of his controversy with religious folks he’s an excellent communicator, hence his real strength, and career success in astrophysics and astronomy.
So.. then.. my observation might imply that how we elect to travel the road to success might also affect the career success.
@Doug
What you are describing is what some call carreerism.
I can add an “ism” on any random word also. Replyism. 😛
@Doug
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/careerism
Ran into the expression in the military.
Rather defines everyone in elected office. But then again, that’s what you’ve been saying all along.
@Doug
What most distinguishes the founders of this nation? They risked their lives to fight for a free country. They risked hanging and the loss of their fortunes. No carreerism in those men. That is the character of the men who wrote the Declaration and the Constitution.
We still have some such men and women in public office. Given his record, I suspect that includes Donald Trump. He is no George Washington, perhaps, but he certainly is better than most of today’s politicians.
No he is not, not one bit. But history will judge him, not us.
Let’s take away Trump’s campaign promises, his policies…. and let’s take away the reason you and his supporters voted for him to escape the Clintons and the Obamas… Isn’t it getting to the point yet, Tom, where anyone who continues to support him after 2 years of his abysmal “leadership” should be ashamed for doing so.. and for continuing to enable him to continue? This is gawd awful what he’s has done to the country domestically, and our international loss of respect and leadership… and to the traditional spirit of America. Every single one of those campaign promises his supporters (very misguidedly) worship him for could have been accomplished with a usual traditional GOP. What his supporters have shown is that it was less about his policy promises and far more about his image and persona for being an incompetent maverick, upsetting the political apple cart, and they relish seeing their enemy, Liberals, getting all worked up over everything he does. It’s about a vindictiveness vendetta against politicians in general and a love to see Liberals scurrying about like scared cockroaches. Now it’s turning into a white supremacy thing.. each week a worse domestic tragedy than the last… and still his supporters, and the inept GOP lemmings in Congress, are applauding what he is doing.
In a strange way one can’t really fault Trump for being the idiot that he is because that’s how he was raised.. nature vs. nurture run amok. But his supporters know better… and they still voted for all this.
The worst is not over for the country.
@Doug
One of the problems with our slander and libel laws is that when the news media lies about a public figure like Donald Trump, that public figure cannot sue. Even that Covington High School kid, hardly a public figures is having a problem.
Look into the accusations of white supremacy, for example. There is no basis for calling Trump a white supremacist. All the news media does is take Trump’s words out of context. Then liars like Joe Biden repeat the lies.
Don’t be lazy. Before you repeat what the news media says, make sure you are not repeating lies.
You mean like the one today Trump Tweeted pointing a finger of responsibility in the death of Epstein to the Clintons when he himself had relationship with him in the past? He just dreams this garbage up, tosses it out there.. and you make a grab for it. No, Tom… we can have separate opinions on this clown’s politics but I make sure I am fully informed, his supporters are just waiting to believe blindly. If Trump says it, it must be true!
@Doug
I have no idea what tweet you are talking about. I have been busy today.
I do know that Trump’s hotel in Florida kicked Epstein out years ago because they caught him molesting a youngster.
Epstein was a Democrat campaign donor.
You mean like the one today Trump Tweeted pointing a finger of responsibility in the death of Epstein to the Clintons when he himself had relationship with him in the past? He just dreams this garbage up, tosses it out there.. and you make a grab for it. No, Tom… we can have separate opinions on this clown’s politics but I make sure I am fully informed, his supporters are just waiting to believe blindly. If Trump says it, it must be true!
You have a sidebar there expressing “why Trump Tweets” and show his Tweet objecting to Haberman’s NYT article calling her reporting that “aids close to Trump” commented that he was angry the press wasn’t there, as fake news. The problem with that… the NYT typically does their homework so her sources were likely very accurate, especially if they have been reliable in the past. Also… Trump LOVES cameras! There’s no way he did not want those cameras there based on his past habits. Critical thinking, Tom. Trump is far more fake than the press ever could be.
@tsalmon
Check out https://citizentom.com/2019/08/11/how-did-king-solomon-define-success/
As Matthew 5:48 points out, we must learn to love as God loves so that we can be perfect. What do you or I know about that? Which of us is perfect?
Also… Trump LOVES cameras! There’s no way he did not want those cameras there based on his past habits.
Maybe he was concerned about the safety of the medical staff. For example, when this ICU nurse had the temerity to post a picture of her next to the president at the hospital, she received death threats.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/sick_leftist_doxx_and_threaten_dayton_nurse_who_saved_lives_after_mass_shooting_for_appearing_in_picture_with_trump.html
Trump is concerned about no one but himself; no compassion in general. Regardless, he’d certainly not presume everyone who gets a photo op with him should have security concerns to the point where he’d not want the press there. The other element in all this was the campaign video made almost immediately from the hospital visits.. jovial smiles, thumbs up, everywhere in the midst of tragedy. Makes no sense much less moral compassion for the moment. Here’s a comparison for you… the reports of alleged death threats on poor Rita the nurse seems to be only on the Conservative sites.. and there’s a Left conspiracy theory that all the “staff” pictured were paid actors. I can’t verify either claim.. and certainly you can’t. But all I know is that Trump’s visit was not an example of that set by his predecessors.
@Doug
No one wants a picture with the president? What an amazing observation! You mindreader! Without you or CNN, we would have no idea what sinister motives Trump might have. Thankfully, seeing that this is worst you can come up with, we know Trump is still better than any Democrat. After all, who else but a Democrat would blame the victim for the rabid anger of Democrats?
I have been to a few funerals. Afterwards, iife goes on. People remember celebrate and remember what is good, smile and laugh. The Irish call it a wake.
You want something more morbid and morose? Try running another Jimmy Carter. You got plenty such to choose from.
Doug, great mind readingTrump’s inner thoughts! why read the NYT and watch CNN?
Here’s a comparison for you… the reports of alleged death threats on poor Rita the nurse seems to be only on the Conservative sites..
This surprises you?
and there’s a Left conspiracy theory that all the “staff” pictured were paid actors. I can’t verify either claim.. and certainly you can’t. But all I know is that Trump’s visit was not an example of that set by his predecessors.
Unsurprising. Based on an internet rumor, “I know a guy who knows a guy!”
And so easily refuted I’m surprised it wasn’t in the NYT.
Even left-wing Snopes refuted this claim as false:
We reached out to officials at the Miami Valley Hospital, sending them the video of Trump’s Dayton visit and asking if any unknown non-employee nurses appeared in any that video. In response, Ben Sutherly, a spokesman for Premier Health and Miami Valley Hospital, told us that “I can confirm that those were Miami Valley Hospital employees.” That video, at 0:18 seconds, captures the same group of people in the photo that inspired Ghalili’s tweet.
Further, Snopes has identified several Miami Valley employees whose photographs appear in unrelated press reports about the hospital who also appear to have been shown in photographs during Trump’s visit. We have reached out to one of those individuals, but have received no response.
At least they hauled that planned movie about hunting down “bad people” wearing red hats. Maybe they’re waiting to release it right before the election, like Fahrenheit 911.
Don’t have to mind read his head… he displays his mental shortcomings constantly and very publicly since before the election.
Don’t have to mind read his head… he displays his mental shortcomings constantly and very publicly since before the election.
Trump: After hours and hours of speaking engagements says “arranges” which is obvious from the context, but sounds a bit like oranges.
Liberals: Bwahahahaaa!! He’s an imbecile!
Biden: After careful prepping, during his rare pubic statement: “Poor people are just as capable as white people”
Liberals: Nothing to see here…let’s go look over hours of Trump videos to prove he’s an insane imbecile..
(stroll on)
@Doug
Bit obsessed about Trump.😏🤔
Since I don’t know Trump personally, I don’t know much about how he defines success or what drives him. I certainly don’t feel qualified to judge him. So I pass on making Trump the topic here.
Consider Genesis 32:22-32. The passage describes Jacob wrestling with God. Jacob will not let go until God blesses him. And God does.
What is going on in that passage? When we wrestle with being human, there is only one way to win. It is with God’s blessing. In Genesis 32:22-32, Jacob finally becomes desperate and mature enough to ask for God’s blessing.
Here’s an interesting tidbit I picked up today, speaking of career ambition in the young…
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/11/politics/top-secret-teens-nsa/index.html
@iamcurmudgeon
One of curious things here is how little love, at least love for each other, seems to be involved in those who separate. Why do people have to go to a marriage counselor to figure out they are not committed to each other and don’t want to be married to each other. I suspect that has much to do with guilt.
Guilt, duty, “the kids”, other expectations. Most people seek counseling because they need either a referee or a translator, or someone to give them each “permission” to tell the truth.
During the years I was a marriage and family therapist, I started every session by asking the person or people before me, “what would you like to accomplish today? What outcomes would you consider to be successful?” Almost never did I get the answer to that question. Every client started with what they didn’t want, as if their definition of success was the absence of irritants rather than the presence of something better. Perhaps that’s human nature. It took a lot of training to get people to visualize what they wanted rather than what they didn’t want.
Yeah.. kinda human nature for sure. We know what we don’t want because we’ve seen or experienced it and the ramifications to know better. What we do want rather falls into the unknown of the future.. and.. the unknown that what we might want is what we “think” we want. There’s an apprehension that what we think we want.. that particular job, career, occupation.. we may indeed not want later down the line and we will have all that time and effort invested in pursuing it, only to have to start over or take something less desirable. This is likely the reason so many of us end up with jobs that we don’t really want or don’t fulfill our personal satisfaction level.
“What would you like to accomplish today? What outcomes would you consider to be successful?”
Good questions to get a subject to ponder where they might be at, but as you experienced first-hand, not everyone can answer.. in fact I would be surprised if anyone could answer that, effectively.
“What I want to accomplish today is stroll over the the corner convenience store and buy a lottery ticket. What outcome I would consider to be successful is winning.” 🙂 The first part being up to me, the second being up to chance.
wonderful food for thought as always Tom!!
Since I first saw these firms in the news the last couple days I have come to this dramatic conclusion….
I never heard of these companies before.. hence I don’t care about these companies.. and I could care less if the world boycotts them or not. I don’t even care if one or both praises Trump or raises cash for Trump.. or hates Trump. There is way too many real life important things to worry about right now than whatever this nonsense represents.. and way too much not being addressed to fix far more important issues. Why do I need to give a damn about these two outfits?
@Doug
Well, I did not make an issue out of those two companies. So you might want to take your concerns to those who did. Are you worried that Liberal Democrat boycotts tend to backfire? It seems that you might be.