PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S INNUMERABLE SINS?

Donald Trump, the President of the United States since January 20, 2017 (from here)

The news media constantly finds new ways to tell us that Presidential Donald Trump is an existential threat. However, the biggest threat Trump seems to pose is to the news media’s credibility. Unfortunately, there are still people out there who believe the news media. Here is an example, a comment from the previous post.

Tom,

If you don’t like this country and it’s government, why don’t you do what Trump said, and go back to the country that you came from? 😏

But of course, the Misogynist-in-Chief, your party leader in open racial warfare, wasn’t actually referring to strangely disaffected white Christian men of privilege, now was he? No, just women who happen to be any shade darker than whatever shade of pink-orange that Trump happens to be on any given day.

Fun facts:

1. Trump and convicted pedophile Epstein used to pal around together, and at one point Trump invited a bevy of young female contestants to a “meet and greet the big wigs” party at Trump’s resort. When the eager beauty queens showed up, it turned out that Trump and Epstein were the only other guests and the young women were actually on the entertainment menu exclusively for them.

2. Just last week, one of Trump’s for-profit second White Houses planed a “charity” golf event where local all nude strippers were to be auctioned off as caddies, including package deals for private shows at the strip club. This Presidential model of Christian charity was only called off last week after news hit the press and the charity pulled out.

3. During the campaign Trump illegally paid hush money to a porn star, and reimbursed a tabloid to kill the story of a porn model just to hide from voters his illicit affairs with these women. This would be the third wife that Trump cheated on. No, of course there is no reason to worry about Russian influence when Trump can be blackmailed by a porn star and then repeatedly lie to the public about it.

4. Just a couple weeks ago another woman (what is it – 20 some women now?) credibly accused Trump of another rape. Trump essentially responded that she wasn’t pretty enough to meet his “grab em by the p*$&¥“ criteria.

5. The former owner of a massage parlor exposed as a prostitution ring that the Kraft family patriarch was caught up in is now being investigated for selling the Chinese influence with Trump by saying that they would get to meet the president at Trump’s Mar-a-lago Resort and tax dollar promoted Florida White House.

And all of these examples are just a few of the endless undisputed misogynist corruption instances about your predator President. His numerous pandering of racist tropes and statements are at the core of his MAGA campaign messagING starting with Birtherism. And this is the leader of Evangelicals who say they believe in Jesus’ Good Samaritan message of helping and welcoming the stranger?

Can you really claim that your Republican views are inspired by the Bible and a concern for teaching of Christian morality to children when this is leader of your movement? This is the moral example of your leadership that you honestly want for your grandkids to emulate? Your knowledge of the reality of the modern democratic state is stuck in the 18th Century, but even if it had any intellectual merit, your movement’s choice of this blatantly corrupt and incompetent leadership-by-racist/misogynist-tweets damns it of any moral credibility.

What am I suppose to do with this comment? Well, tsalmon obviously thinks I am suppose to be shamed into supporting Hillary Clinton for president. I am suppose to walk over to the White House, boot Trump out, and install Hillary so Bill can start chasing around White House interns again.

Does anyone miss Bill and Hillary? I don’t. So I guess I will start down tsalmon’s list until I get bored with it. tsalmon obviously doesn’t get the other side of the story.

0. If you don’t like this country and it’s government, why don’t you do what Trump said, and go back to the country that you came from? This one is so dumb it’s funny. Consider a previous comment about AOC from tsalmon.

Ultimately, I think that who most of us vote for, even supposed intellectuals like you and I, is more emotional than rational, more “Duck Dynasty” than “Frontline”. Those prejudices you talk about infect us all. How else could we end up with a reality TV President. You may gloat now, but Donald Trump is just an savant opportunist who jumped on this new bandwagon for a buck or two – AOC is a true ideologue who was bread into this game. God help us all brother. (from here)

tsalmon doesn’t have anything nice to say about the leader of “The Squad”. So why is he mad at Trump? Just read Trump’s tweets. They are not racist or hateful of woman. Trump has specific complaints about what these women have said. So in defense I have copied his tweets. Note I have also linked to the original tweets (#1, #2, #3,… contain the links.).

Since Twitter is confusing, the order below is a bit confusing. What I did is put the six sections below in chronological order. However, the tweets within each section should be read from the bottom up. That is because Twitter posts the latest tweet at the top of the list.

 

#1
#2

 

#3
#4

 

#5

 

#6

So what do I think? I think Trump did what he said. He tricked the rest of the Democrats into embracing “The Squad”. Why? See ‘The Squad’ Hits Back at Trump’s Racist Tirade: ‘We Will Not Be Silenced’ (thedailybeast.com)). The Democrat leadership — Nancy and Chuck — would love love to disassociate themselves from “The Squad”, but they are too popular with the other radicals in the party.

The fact Trump’s tactic worked is funny. The fact the Democrats have become so terribly, insanely, radical is sad, and it is about time tsalmon admitted it. Trump did not say anything about The Squad that is any worst than what other Democrats have said. They are just mad Trump said what he said.

1. Trump and convicted pedophile Epstein used to pal around together. Jeffrey Epstein use to pal around with lots of people, including Bill Clinton. Apparently, Epstein is a charming fellow, but not to be trusted, and Trump figured that out a long time ago.

Epstein was a Democrat donor. If any politicians need to explain unsavory connections with Epstein, it is Democrats not Republicans, and Bill Clinton is at the top of the list.

Will Epstein name names. Probably not. He can afford some good lawyers, but some of his victims may pursue the matter. Since there is lots of money involved, we can expect lawyers will track down every possible lead.

Anyway, I have other things I need to do, like sleep. However, I welcome anyone who wants to amuse themselves at the Democrats and the news media’s expense. Have at it. tsalmon had lots of questions.

 

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  1. tsalmon, I can’t speak for Tom, but I don’t see that in Tom, and it’s certainly not in me. What I do see in progressives is the illusion that they are open-minded–as long as you agree with them….

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    1. @Pastor Randy

      I will one point to Progressives, Liberal Democrats, Socialists, or whatever it is we ought to call them. They manage to frame every issue so that if we don’t agree with them we must be awful people. For some reason any other alternative is unscientific, hateful, bigoted, racist, sexist, selfish,….

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    2. I guess that depends on who gets to define who is “progressive”. I believe that we were freed from sin by the sacrificial Blood of Christ, but He also often said “go and sin no more”. In that sense, don’t you think Jesus was perhaps the greatest “Progressive” who ever lived in that He wanted us not just to remain only once saved from sin, but by God’s grace, to “progress” on in holiness, both as individuals and as The Body of Christ on Earth. After all, such holiness, I have learned but not myself perfected, manifests just as much, if not more, in our dynamic loving interactions with others through God as it does exclusively in each our own personal relationships to God.

      That said, I don’t disagree with you. Many liberals who call themselves “progressive” are just as absolutist in their way as their so-called conservative opponents. Each extreme can lack the Christian wisdom of humility, incrementalism and compromise.

      However, what I meant by my comment to you was that it is Tom who responds that Hillary’s sins are greater when any criticism of Trump’s promotion of sinfulness is proposed. A close look with an open mind at the whole of the conversations between I and my good brother should demonstrate to you that I am not wrong on this Reverend.

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  2. And after everything is said and done.. the arguments falling on deaf ears… the divisiveness centering on two different realities… the polarization of cultures… the tribalness of being tribal… it’s still all about selling the fear. These four female Congresspersons actually mean very little to the election, but they represent fear and Trump so loves to present fear to his misguided “lemming” followers.

    -There’s going to be no socialism in America. Social programs? Of course. We have those now. Nothing new. Big deal.

    -Open borders? I don’t know of anyone who literally wants “open borders”. Trump-inspired fear. The crisis at the border is the inhumane treatment and an inability to anticipate the political direction of Central America and develop foreign policies. His fear selling is that there’s some mass of humanity just wanting in to suck the country dry.. oh, and rape and pillage… and let’s not forget, they want our jobs. (What “jobs” exactly do they want?)

    -Global warming? Yep.. the fear there is that it’s real. But the Trump fear is that to even attempt to correct that means America has to spend money and other countries don’t. Besides… the international agreement.. which wasn’t a commitment, has “Obama” all over it and per Trump, anything “Obama” must go just because. The Trumpian fear-mongering here is that science is wrong and just in the way of corporate profits… like Obama-era environmental controls… which we all know Obama just imposed upon the unknowing country to meet his own scandalous agenda (and the agenda of the Clintons). Again, the usual “fear Obama and the Clintons”.

    -Trade imbalance? Sorta like global warning.. it’s in the way of corporations making a profit. Has little to do with bringing businesses back into the country. Those folks in the red states who lost their neighborhood factories did NOT lose them to cheap foreign labor and imbalanced trade practices. It was pure market changes… alternative fuels are cheaper and the way of the future, and factory automation. But the fear of American jobs evaporating over trade imbalances is just another improvised fear.

    -Obamacare and free medical for all. Oh.. no, no, no. We can’t have the “Obama” name representing anything. So.. Trump makes Obamacare “bad” by instilling fear that people will lose something.. not sure what it is… but best we fear it anyway. And the “free” medical stuff.. smacks of socialism to me! Yeah.. right. Trumpian fear.

    -Free college? Hell.. let’s just add “free” itself as being a fear. If the Dems want to make it free..well, hells bells.. that’s socialism! Toss any free stuff on the list of progressive aims at domestic conquest. If it’s free it’s gonna mean higher taxes!

    Here’s the only fear we need to have to keep us motivated… fear of Trump for another four years. Again… we haven’t seen all this incompetent clown has to spew out before the election. It’s going to get far worse… and a lot more tribal. This racist garbage is just a side story.

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      1. Well.. thanks, T. The whole damn thing is depressing as hell and what makes it worse is knowing that 40% of the voting country loves what he’s doing to the country… loves HOW he’s doing it, and doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about long term ramifications of what he’s done. The fact that he’s had a life of moral bankruptcy and has carried that to the White House to the cheers and clamor of the unknowingly seduced who have made their deal with the devil out of some misguided fear, just gnaws at my patriotism.

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    1. @Doug

      $ocialism?

      You don’t know anyone who wants open borders? Try using a mirror. If you are not willing to do anything to stop people from crossing the border, there is no reason for the border. When Democrats started allowing people to cross our borders illegally and to stuff their children into our public schools, they proved they did not want to enforce our borders.

      Global warming? That’s about 😱, not science. It is about politicians demanding power — $ocialism — not a fix. They don’t believe global warming is real.

      Trade imbalance? That’s not really the issue. The problem is allowing foreign governments to manipulate our economy.

      Obamacare = $ocialism. $ocialism costs us a bloody fortune and deprives us of the right to make our own choices. Why would you want Trump making your healthcare choices? You want Trumpcare?

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    2. -Trade imbalance? Sorta like global warning.. it’s in the way of corporations making a profit. Has little to do with bringing businesses back into the country. Those folks in the red states who lost their neighborhood factories did NOT lose them to cheap foreign labor and imbalanced trade practices. It was pure market changes… alternative fuels are cheaper and the way of the future, and factory automation. But the fear of American jobs evaporating over trade imbalances is just another improvised fear.

      People have watched their companies close up shop. They’ve often trained the people overseas, who would eventually make them obsolete. True, the economic landscape has changed due in part to automation, but also the fact that markets (informed by the internet and low cost shipping) allow companies to prosper or fail based on a 0.5% cost difference half a world away. More importantly, American industrial production now depends on parts made overseas that could be simply cut off….a security risk. Pretty sure I’ve mentioned before that for years they were shipping Chinese made computers and blackberries to military bases with no regard for security concerns which should be obvious.
      This only changed very recently.
      We were on a continuous path of lazily letting other countries monopolize our strategic industries.
      It seems only Trump understands this.

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      1. See.. and that’s itself the entire issue.. Trump see NOTHING.. but himself. There is NOTHING this guy has done in his entire life, business life, moral life.. nothing… so suggest one iota that he knows what he is doing.. and certainly NO international trade acumen much less any social skills. Yet.. for some reason folks like you are sold into some idea of maybe what you might WISH he would be. His “strategy” is whatever he does inside the next 60 minutes of low impulse control and his famous narcissism.

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        1. Trump see NOTHING.. but himself. There is NOTHING this guy has done in his entire life, business life, moral life.. nothing… so suggest one iota that he knows what he is doing..

          Well, Doug, yeah…maybe he’s too stupid to breathe.
          It is interesting to read someone claim Trump has never had success when we’re doing this well…and no success in business though he owns 500 currently operating businesses. Weird. Wish I had that level of incompetence.

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  3. Tom,

    Frankly, if we analyze Trump’s suggestion that people should go back to their own countries and solve the problems instead of complaining about all the sad events taking place in the USA, in my opinion, it is more based on facts rather than levity based on population statistics.

    For Example,

    The present world population is 7.5 billion of which only 850,000,000 or 11.3 percent are identified as white.

    I frankly do not know how many countries in the world have a corrupt government the problems Trump commented.

    My point is that statistically, why the Dems consider Trump’s comments are racial, it is because of world population statistics more so than racial bias.

    What is more evident though is everyone who hates Trump brings up everything about his persona and ignore that he is actually trying to fulfill his campaign promises on the issues he promised to accomplish if voters would choose him over “Crooked Hillary.”.

    As for the Democrats promises they are presently making to win the next election, I only have one question,. Who is going to pay, and how much are our taxes going to be raised.

    They keep saying they are going to tax the rich ten percenters, but if you analyze how much taxes would result it is nowhere near enough to fund all their promises.

    As for Trump’s persona, it was no secret when he was elected that he is not what the Dems claim to be Presidential to their ideals.
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    So, who will they vote for in 2020 that will answer my one question?

    Regards and goodwill blogging.

    Population Source

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Census_and_social_definitions_in_different_regions

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  4. Even though this post was about my previous comments to another post, I think I just let those comments just stand on their own. Besides I don’t think I could defend them better than Doug has anyway. Thanks Doug.

    I keep wondering when the next Trump outrage to decency will finally matter to the acolytes in Trump’s mystifying cult of personality. When does “I know Trump is not Jesus” stop being an excuse for the daily $&!t Show that is the Trump presidency?

    Apparently no level of personal immorality or public corruption will actually surprise some of you any more. No matter what Trump does or did, as long as it trolls and inflamed the loyal opposition, you can somehow excuse it until becoming full time apologists for Trump’s vice, incompetence and corruption is just what you have to do. It’s not racism to use what a third grader recognizes as an obvious racist trope – no that’s just Trump being (racist) Trump.

    That’s not what Jesus taught us. It does not matter if Hillary Clinton actually were the anti Christ. It does not excuse bowing down and worshiping some other promoter of hatred and vice just because you imagine a worst alternative.

    The essence of leadership is integrity. No leader except Jesus will have perfect integrity. So we just give up on holding leaders accountable? Or is it just Democrats that we selectively criticize?

    We must be able to accept and forgive everyone’s sins, including leaders. The problem with with Trump isn’t that he “isn’t Jesus”; the problem with Trump is that he doesn’t even humbly try to be Jesus, but instead actively promote everything Jesus told us was wrong: pride, greed, selfishness and tribal loathing of the stranger. Trump has turned the GOP and their claims about Christianity into undisguised hypocrisy.

    Drop your rabid party loyalty for one moment and remember our first loyalty is to God. Let’s open our minds for one moment and just imagine if a Democratic President daily did and said the outrageously corrupt and hateful things Trump does and says. How would you react? For example, let’s say that Bill Clinton threw a party with sex offender Epstein where only girl contestants were invited to be their personal entertainment. Wouldn’t this go beyond just having a sexual predator as an acquaintance and rather mean you are his accomplice? Let’s say Obama conducted his presidency at his for-profit business, and at that second White House, strippers were being auctioned for charity and he constantly profited because foreign nations were buying access to him? What if the “no drama Obama” White House had had an unprecedented revolving door of scandal ridden incompetents and “acting” defense secretaries at a time of wars and rumors of wars. Don’t deflect to some complaint about Obama or a fictional Hillary presidency. Tell me how you have any credibility or consistency for not complaining about Trump now. Otherwise it’s just hypocrisy.

    You harangue that Democrats often just have a pretense of being moral to disguise their true underlying corruption. Sometimes I think you confuse honest policy differences with malicious intent (for example, all this “anyone who likes public schools and roads is a Socialist” nonsense), but I don’t think that you are always wrong. The difference with Trump is that there isn’t even a pretense. Trump actively and openly promote everything that you call vices (lying, cowardice, impulsiveness, greed, ostentatious pride and every other selfishness) as his virtues. No matter what else Trump does to please you by infuriating the Democrats and the “Never Trump” Republican, he is inherently corrupting of your Party, the Presidency, the Country and the World.

    We will pay for this turn away from virtue to vice, this turn away from the love of Jesus to the hatred of raw tribalism, for years to come.

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    1. @tsalmon

      Another name for Satan is The Accuser.

      You list a bunch of accusations, and you don’t even pay attention to the refutations. That’s BS.

      The obvious thing to do is to list all the crap Democrats have been involved in, but I am not interested. It is enough to say you are in no position to throw the first stone. In addition to supporting a candidate who clearly was no better than Trump, you are spreading malicious gossip. You are behaving like a sore loser.

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      1. “Another name for Satan is The Accuser.”

        So now, I’m Satan? I think you’ve lost it now, “oh, brother of Satan”. 😆

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  5. 2. Just last week, one of Trump’s for-profit second White Houses planed a “charity” golf event where local all nude strippers were to be auctioned off as caddies, including package deals for private shows at the strip club. This Presidential model of Christian charity was only called off last week after news hit the press and the charity pulled out.

    I like the salacious phraseology here. “All nude strippers to be auctioned off!” Gosh, I hope they don’t serve food at this event…sounds like an OSHA violation. 😆
    Hey too bad it isn’t a homosexual strip club charity event during Pride month…doubtless then the Democrats would demand taxpayers fund the thing, and liberal Congresspeople would all show up, proudly wearing their “love is brave” tee shirts.

    But looked it up and oh, gee…I guess nude strippers weren’t going to show up afterall. They’d be wearing polos and skirts. The business had rented out the golf course for the day, for a charitable event. Should the golf course forbid a legitimate business from renting out the golf course for a charity event? Not sure how much the president of the United States is involved with the day to day operations of a golf course and who they rent to. Probably very little. He does own 500 businesses at present, as well as running the whole country. By contrast, the media obviously has nothing but time and nothing very important to do if this is a headline news story.

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  6. AOC was “bread” to politics? Judging from the context, I believe he meant bred, past tense of breed, but if so, then bred by whom. If Trump is a 9 on a 10 point scale of self-promotion, what’s AOC? 11? It’s interesting that tsalmon’s first criticism of Trump was the Epstein “friendship.” I read that the flight logs of Epstein’s plane showed that Donald Trump DID fly on it….once. The same logs showed Bill Clinton flying on it 26 times, but Bill says he “barely” knew Epstein.

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    1. I’m afraid you’ll find many typos in my writing. I write most of these on my phone, often while reading something more worthy than anything I write here. If you want to score points by pointing out my typos and misspelled words, go for it.

      However, I agree with some of what you say about AOC. From a social media point of view, Trump in an infant by comparison. She was born and “bred” to the social media hype show.

      The other difference is that AOC is a true believer of what she promotes. Trump is just a flimflam man. No one here seriously thinks Trump has an actual ideology do they? 😆. This is all about fame, money and power to Trump – not some scheme to save the world.

      I don’t agree with most of what Bernie and AOC are putting out. It’s too extreme and they will lose independents. The Speaker is skillfully giving them and the Democratic field a crash course in political reality. Like the Speaker said, the so-called squad is just four votes.

      The squad did try to pull the race card on the Speaker, and it caused some much needed inter-party disciplining, but to play to his base’s worst inclinations, Trump managed to unite the Party and offer up moderates and independents to the Democratic side. Trump tried to demonize the Squad and only made Pelosi look good. Do you seriously think Republicans can run against Dems in swing districts by demonizing AOC, clinging to racist Trump and sainting Pelosi?

      Trump is being outmatched at every turn, disgusting the country and the world. But the redneck minority loves him. Maybe that will be enough. I don’t think so but who would have predicted Trump to begin with? Certainly not most of you here? Most of you wanted someone else and thought Trump a racist scam artist until he ended up being YOUR racist scam artist.

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      1. I get it now, what you meant. Initially I thought you meant bred to politics. None of know what’s really in someone’s heart or how seriously they believe the narratives they tell. Does AOC believe what she says? I saw a video of her being questioned by a sympathetic female reporter looking for corroboration of women being told to drink out of toilets in a holding facility in Texas. AOC was sitting in the car when the reporter kept asking her, “did you actually see anyone drinking out of toilets, did you witness personnel telling them to drink from toilets?” AOC just looked straight ahead, didn’t answer those questions, and finally put the window up and directed her driver to leave. Is that a picture of sincerity?

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          1. @tsalmon

            I link to all kinds of web sites. So where is the mystery?

            The news media has always been partisan. What we call the mainstream news media leans Democrat in a big way. Even FOX hires Liberal Democrats. To get a halfway decent picture of almost any news event, we have check sources with difference political perspectives. We have to remember all of the news is biased. People, as you said, are emotional, not just logical.

            The latest problem come from the corporate concentration of social media on the Internet. Both Goggle and Facebook have worked closely with Democrat presidential campaigns. Conservatives have good reason to distrust both. I have not bothered with Facebook, but I know from personal experience Google Search is biased.

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          2. @tsalmon

            One last thought. When we can’t trust the people we rely upon for information about the government not to deceive us, it makes no sense to make the government any bigger and more difficult to control than absolutely necessary.

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          1. Overgeneralizing doesn’t move a conversation in a productive direction. I said nothing about either Trotsky or Stalin, I don’t know what Trump actually thinks (I don’t possess mind-reading capability), I don’t know what AOC actually believes. I like specifics: I wrote that she ignored questions directly related to charges that she made. Why? I can’t read her mind. I can only draw inferences from what I observe. Her actions I saw on the video were that she had an opportunity to produce evidence that would promote her cause, and didn’t take it. I infer, therefore, she doesn’t have the evidence. You don’t have enough evidence to infer anything about what I think. If you want the evidence, I have two blog posts that provide it, at https://curmudgeon550.blog/

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  7. That takes care of number 4. If you had a blog, I would read it.

    Heh, thanks. 🙂
    To continue….
    5. The former owner of a massage parlor exposed as a prostitution ring that the Kraft family patriarch was caught up in is now being investigated for selling the Chinese influence with Trump by saying that they would get to meet the president at Trump’s Mar-a-lago Resort and tax dollar promoted Florida White House.

    I had to look this one up. Apparently (and TSalmon can correct me if I’m wrong or this is incomplete) a business owner (Li Yang) of a chain of spas/massage parlors named “Tokyo Day spas”. Kraft was “caught” five or six years after the sale of this business to someone else.
    To summarize this point: A business owner sold a business, and the new owner with no connections to the prior owner, was charged with a crime related to the business five years later. I see no reason to connect this business owner with Kraft or the crime. But this is an irrelevancy either way because….
    Next:

    Trump is the only president in my adult lifetime to take the economic threat of China seriously, and done anything to combat that threat. Evidence available upon request. He arranged for the arrest of the CFO of Huawei, but somehow he is beholden to the owner of a chain of massage parlors because she and her family donated 42,000 dollars (for a billionaire, this would be like me purchasing a hot dog or happy meal) to the Republican party.
    I’m trying to understand the level of mental gymnastics it takes to believe something like that.
    Articles cited no evidence except Facebook images of this woman taking a blurry selfie next to the president. She also posted Facebook images of standing next to other Republican politicians at political events. And she was invited to “invited by the White House to participate in an event hosted by the Asian American and Pacific Islander Initiative”. Okay…SO?

    There’s no evidence whatsoever Trump even knows who this woman is (or knew before the media created this non-story), let alone has any “close” association with her.

    I’ll tackle another later today, trying to put it off my mind as I’m hiking with friends and it’s rude to have that far away absent-minded look while we’re concentrating.

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    1. Just to add, at the last base some old friends contacted my spouse and said they wanted to visit. Hey! They hadn’t seen him in a while and wanted to congratulate him in person. and…oh, they also wanted to bring a couple of friends and could they show them around the base a little? Maybe he could bring them on an hour tour or something, if he had time?
      He looked them up and it turns out they now owned a company that promised to help with “leadership contacts” for civilian military contractors. My spouse contacted the JAG and the JAG told him it would be best not to allow his friends a visit with their friends. So he canceled their visit.
      That story above makes my spouse MORE guilty of “association” with business persons/exploitation than Trump. He did, after all, talk to those folks. And they were advertising to meet military leaders (though he didn’t know it when he took the call). By contrast, there’s no reason to believe this woman ever spoke to Trump (with the exception of, “can I take this selfie?”)

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      1. Sorry, I know that I was going to let what I wrote stand, but this is too ridiculous. This would be a comparable analogy if your husband brought them into your home which also happened to be his place of business where he worked for the taxpayers and where he also made a profit off their peddling of influence to him. Come on Liz, you can do better than that. You’re make the case for me.

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        1. You must be kidding.You must be.
          I cannot explain it any better than I did above. This is beyond absurd.
          What is the evidence Trump actually knows this person let alone communicated with her directly? Let’s start there (and a selfie proves nothing, I’ve taken selfies with celebrities and I’m sure they couldn’t pick me out of a lineup).

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          1. Here, I’ve even gone to the trouble of looking up the organization and event this person was “personally invited to” (by said organization, not by the president).

            https://sites.ed.gov/aapi/2019/05/the-impact-of-asian-americans-and-pacific-islanders-upon-americas-greatness-program-celebrates-asian-american-and-pacific-islander-heritage-month/?utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdelivery&utm_term=

            The White House Initiative on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders proudly hosted an Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month program, titled “The Impact of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders Upon America’s Greatness,” at the U.S. Department of Education (the Department) on May 10, 2019. Participants included AAPI faith leaders, government and corporate leaders, educators, entrepreneurs, and senior federal leadership. The program mixed community recognition with Administration priorities to showcase the impact that AAPIs have upon America’s greatness historically and into the future.
            (blah blah blah)

            You can even view the pictures. Lots of people there…not sure how many, but it was far from a “personal invitation” to meet Trump at his “home” to make a “profit”.

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          2. Just to add, I’d put the odds that all of these other people were “personally invited” to the “White House Initiative” at….100 percent. I doubt this was an easy party to crash, and who would want to anyway?

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          3. Liz,

            I think the weeds of Trump’s influence peddling scheme are seedy enough, but before we get lost in them, we should look at the obvious.

            I’m sure that you remember being told that as a military family, you should avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Trump sells very expensive memberships in his resorts and then hangs out with his members on his weekends and while conducting official business on behalf of the American taxpayers. Once someone is a member, they get to sponsor guests that Trump also hosts on weekends. Trump is making a profit of the presidency and his “guests” are buying access to Trump. This is not just the “appearance” of impropriety, it is the definition of impropriety. Really, admit it. You know that that is wrong down to your bones.

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          4. @Liz

            Tsalmon doesn’t think he has an ideology. He is too rational to be an ideologue.

            James put the problem this way.

            James 1:22-25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
            22 But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his [a]natural face in a mirror; 24 for once he has looked at himself and gone away, [b]he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25 But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but [c]an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in [d]what he does.

            None of us see ourselves as we are. None of us can abide by the perfect law. So we should shun taking responsibility for making decisions that other people are perfectly capable of making for themselves, but Socialist politicians and their supporters are too full of pride or too afraid to understand the problem and accept the limitation. We must avoid temptations we cannot resist. So they just blow off contradictory facts.

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          5. Good verse, Citizen Tom.

            I’m sure that you remember being told that as a military family, you should avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
            The above, in the modern age, is now an impossible standard. Anything can be taken out of context and used at any time against you. Your only defense is to be unimportant enough to not be targeted. There is always something. Because by nature of a leadership job, one is always in the public spotlight. I am very sympathetic toward Trump as an outsider going into that job.

            Trump sells very expensive memberships in his resorts and then hangs out with his members on his weekends and while conducting official business on behalf of the American taxpayers.

            Does he? These are all business agreements he had before the presidency. As I understand it, he gave that up and turned it over to his sons. I can’t imagine he has the time to “hang out with members” now, just for the heck of it. Diplomatic leaders whom he needs to meet with anyway sure…but that saves the government money (using his own property), not the opposite.

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          6. Just to add, and I’m not sure if I should do so here or elsewhere…the thread is getting long and responses a bit confusing, the “Trump was inspired to be president by greed” meme is a little hard to understand. He was already a billionaire, flying in a gold-encrusted jet, married to a super model wife. There’s no evidence the presidency would enrich him, and there is evidence to the contrary (even those associated with him, like Scott Adams, have taken large hits to there income). By contrast, his contender filed her husband’s used underwear for a tax write-off in 1992, and after a couple of decades with only the job of “public servant” she’s worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, nothing to see there.

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          7. Trump turned it over to his sons? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! So Trump is so remote from his business interests that he lives at one of them half the time? Trump doesn’t know that his doing so has to raise the value of his memberships and make him more money? Trump isn’t known for always playing host while he is at his resorts? What planet are you thinking of?

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  8. I’ll try to get back to this tomorrow, but I’ll just answer this portion for now:
    4. Just a couple weeks ago another woman (what is it – 20 some women now?) credibly accused Trump of another rape.

    Funny how everyone becomes de facto “credible” by placing the word “credible” in front of their accusation. Did you see the interview with Anderson Cooper? Even he was embarrassed and visible cringed. This woman is unstable. Her “credible” accusation came at the time of a new book release. Weird.
    I guess the number of accusations leads to their credibility.
    So, what’s that Clinton death list up to now? Must be at least 20 times more credible than these accusations. Sure, maybe she didn’t assassinate ALL 200 people, but at least ten percent of those “credible” accusations much be right, eh?
    The media and anti-trumpers have spent 3 years calling Trump and his supporters literally Nazis. People are attacking Trump supporters with clubs as a result of this hysteria, and I’m supposed to be worried about “lowering the tone” by calling a blatant anti-Semite an anti-Semite?

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    1. So, while Trump supporters are languishing in all the wonderful successes for the country.. all his campaign promises coming to amazing fruition just in time to save the nation, and draining the swamp that is D.C. of all the elitist rich capitalists and replacing them with smart, uncompromising, patriotic, and very well experienced business CEO’s you can’t understand why anti-Trumpers are so angry and so.. anti-Trump… to the point where Conservatives are all fleeing for their lives from those unruly Liberal mobs that want blood? Do you honestly believe that the discontent of the 60% is entirely motivated because Hillary didn’t win the election.. 2 plus years ago? Do you honestly believe this is all simply about sour grapes? Do you honestly believe that because you have been seduced by Trump-the-Pied-Piper that the rest of us have been vastly seduced by some conspiracy-loving anti-Trump mass media with their own agenda?

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  9. You got it all wrong, Tom. Ok.. so you didn’t want Hillary or Bernie.. you opted for Trump (which is pretty nuts in itself given he was a predictable nutjob from the get go) and so be it. But we are talking the here-and-now and you and his 40% still think he is doing a great job… in spite of everything? That’s very bizarre. Who cares about Clinton. That’s history. Just the racist Tweets you illustrated… that’s normal? Not in my book.

    Actually my argument is with Pelosi’s inaction on impeachment. Forget whether or not it passes the Senate… she should do her damn job and impeach given the Mueller report, et al. There’s more against Trump than Nixon ever had chalked up against him (Nixon). Let the Senate vote it down and get the individual Senate votes down and formal and let the voters decide how to handle that.

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      1. The insensitivity in telling the racial minority to go back to where they came from and fix something for simply the effect of appealing to his right wingers.. and ignoring the fact that three of the four were born here in America and are Americans. He (again, as usual) simply blurted out some nonsense racial garbage for personal effect. You know, Liz… respect as I may have, how is it that all Trumpsters seem to somehow all be some kind of “Trump whisperers” to know everything he means regardless of the garbage that flows from his mouth? I could easily be called an “Obama guy” but never once did I ever attempt to interpret something he may have said that offended someone with “Oh, he didn’t mean it THAT way.”. Trump has a record of outlandish racially questionable statements so this is nothing new.. and his base loves it. What’s rather interesting is that Conservatives are trying to be angry over the idea that those four ladies are anti-Semitic.. when historically the far right wing neo-Nazi whatevers have been all about anti-Antisemitism. But we are living in a topsy-turvey world now.
        I have a better idea. Just forget the “racially-in-question distraction” toward the sitting minority Congresswomen and just focus on Mueller, the Russians, and the umpteen investigations going on regarding him, his family, his business, and his own incompetence. This is not all about some 40% of the voting public loving Trump as President. It’s all about 40% of the voting public thinking everything he does to tick off the remaining 60% is worth it… whatever that is.

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        1. @Doug

          Love it or leave it is not a racist retort. The places where these ladies forebears hail from are messes, and they don’t appreciate being Americans. They are complaining about Americans, not just the government.

          You do not know about The Squad, I will bet. The news media cleans up after these babes. I suggest you consider the fact that Trump wants these ladies to represent the Democrats, to be the face of the party.

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          1. How do you even know what the “real: media says or not when you don’t watch TV and likely if you do it’s always FOX or Conservative “whooppee!” blogs?
            But to the greater observation of your reply… Trump uses no strategy beyond the next 24 hours. Schoolboy taunts, lies, and idiotic emotional knee-jerk blatherings… no president has ever composed himself in this manner. No.. he has no strategy… and he has no competency.

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        2. how is it that all Trumpsters seem to somehow all be some kind of “Trump whisperers” to know everything he means regardless of the garbage that flows from his mouth?

          You have it backwards. Some folks (mostly the ones you call “Trumpsters”) listen to what he actually says instead of confabulating “dog whistle”, mind-reading, and/or out of context half-quotes to interpret what they think he “really” meant.

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          1. @Liz

            That was well said.

            One of the things that puzzles me about Liberal Democrats is that they make these accusations, and they don’t seem to realize they have the burden of proof. Instead they just run around repeating ever more accusations. It has reached the point where we would need ten President Donald Trump’s to do all the awful things they think he has done.

            That is a thought for Doug and tsalmon, ten Donald Trump’s.

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          2. “You have it backwards. Some folks (mostly the ones you call “‘Trumpsters’) listen to what he actually says instead of confabulating ‘dog whistle’, mind-reading, and/or out of context half-quotes to interpret what they think he ‘really’ meant.“

            What did Trump “really” mean when he said he liked to “grab em by the pussy”? I was in the Navy for twenty years and have heard my share of macho braggadocio. Only a sexual predator brags about sexually assaulting and raping women though. Real men in the presence of such so-called “locker room talk” would just be shocked and embarrassed, not actually impressed.

            And this is just one instance of Trump’s misogyny. Go listen to any old Trump appearance on the Howard Stern show. Even Trump’s denials are misogynistic: basically, “she’s not pretty enough for me to rape”.

            You worry about Hillary’s emails and yet you see no security risk in a President who was blackmailed into breaking the law by porn stars?

            The thing with the auctioning off ladies from, yes, “an all nude strip club” is not a bug in misogynistic Trumpworld, it’s a fixture, and in your heart, you know it.

            As a lawyer I admire the whole attorney-protecting-her-guilty-client thing though. Even the guilty deserve a good legal defense, but your political defense, though strident, is hollow. Even the Republican members of the jury see Trump for who he is even if they pretend not to. The problem the prosecutor has isn’t that he has no evidence, it’s that he has so much that it becomes almost too unbelievable, almost too blatant and almost too incredulous … almost.

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          3. I’ll just take this bit:
            What did Trump “really” mean when he said he liked to “grab em by the pussy”?

            This was a private conversation on a bus between two famous men about the impact of fame and power on women. Trump was saying they were drawn to it, and would let you do anything. “Let you” being the key phrase that seems to be ignored whenever this is requoted without context.

            “I was in the Navy for twenty years and have heard my share of macho braggadocio. Only a sexual predator brags about sexually assaulting and raping women though.”
            Here any men brag about what women would let them do because they liked powerful men pilots?
            Don’t kid a kidder, I’m from the fighter pilot community.

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          4. Liz,

            Yep, all my Navy Pilot buddies and I often sat around bragging that all the beautiful women around us just expected us to grab them by the pussy…not. The whole concept is disgusting and demeaning, not only to women, but to our expectations of all our military officers. But you think jet fighter pilots are somehow below that low bar? I’m not kidding, but I pray you are.

            The Navy’s Tailhook debacle showed how that kind of caveman misogynistic thinking was unacceptable and how it ruined numerous careers. For the rest of my career after that sad exhibition of adolescent male testosterone, before I could even be promoted, I had to certify that I wasn’t anywhere within 50 miles of those animals sexually assaulting a female Naval Officer, and their believing, “you know what? She secretly wanted it”.

            For my last couple of years in the Navy commanding a reserve unit, I taught a leadership class that directly responded to that “boys will be boys” attitude that was Tailhook. The core message of that course is that the essence of leadership is basic integrity.

            I’m no prude. I’m not claiming that I’m holier than thou or anyone else. I’m just saying this crosses a line for the basic integrity we should expect from every man, but especially from our leaders. To think that Trump’s “grab em by the pussy” moment was just one innocent brag taken out of context is to, not only ignore how cringeworthy the whole tape was, but also to ignore Trump’s whole sick misogynistic life of promoting women as just his personal sex objects. If Trump had just stayed a businessman who peddles such vice for a living, then he’d only be a disgusting relic that we would not let our wives, our daughters or our grand girls anywhere near, but as a leader, much less, THE Leader, it should be disqualifying.

            And this is just one area where Trump slimes himself in vice. That’s bad enough but Trump actually promotes his vices to everyone else. You all have yet here to deal with that basic problem, but everything I know about honor, integrity and basic Christian decency tells me it needs to be answered. He’s our President for God’s sake and we have to daily tell our children and grandchildren don’t say things or act like the President acts. Seriously, are you going to tell your kids or grandkids that the best way to win an argument at school with a person of color is to tell them to go back to where they came from? Even a child should know that trope is unamerican and racist, but our president doesn’t?

            Liz, I love your wit and intelligence and applaud your family’s service, but you are just plain wrong on this.

            I’ll shut up now, and let you and Tom tell me how no one who believes in such things things as honor and basic decency can possibly be sincere, that I must be kidding or outright lying. Maybe I’m the relic in this vice promoting Trumpworld that you are all calling your strange new reality now. Glad to be a relic though. Why aren’t you all? 🙁

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          5. @tsalmon

            A news organization gets a tape. Conceals that tape. Then the news media “decides” Trump is the most beatable Republican. How do we know? They gave Trump a huge amount of free publicity. Supposedly, Trump was good for ratings.

            As a Cruz supporter, I watched the primaries with horror. The news media’s manipulation was transparent. The October surprise wasn’t even that much of a surprise.

            So what was I to do when Trump won the nomination? Vote for Crooked Hillary? As alternative to an accomplished businessman with a foul mouth? If nothing else I figured getting Trump elected and helping him stay in office would be worth it just to watch the reaction of the news media.

            When you talk about ethics, I suggest you consider the fact that Trump readily holds press conferences and answers questions directly. He conceals less of himself than the vast majority of the people we have elected. So at this point I just thank God. As the Bible says He appoints our leaders, and He gives us better than we deserve.

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          6. Sorry I didn’t see your response (about the tape) until now, TSalmon.
            I think Sarah Hoyt put it well:
            https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/01/24/semantic-confusion/

            The other day I was watching liberals lose their sh*t when the results of the election came in (don’t judge me, okay? The alternative was calling my few remaining liberal friends and laughing) and there was a woman news anchor telling the world how she didn’t respect any woman who voted for Trump, because he was a serial assaulter (totally unproven), treated women like objects (COMPLETELY unproven, and according to women who work for him, counterfactual) and had talked about grabbing women by the pussy.

            And my jaw dropped open. leave aside that I’d lay you even money this idiot voted for Clinton, probably twice, and Clinton WAS a serial assaulter who treated women like objects, and it’s all proven and public record.

            Let’s go to the “grab them by the pussy.” All Trump said was that if you were rich enough women would let you grab them by the pussy. He didn’t say he did it. He didn’t say you should do it. All he was saying was that women find things other than looks attractive. He was in fact saying women are hypergamic which happens to be true. And yeah, he used the word “pussy.” Dear idiots, if your vagina is the scariest thing anyone has ever seen, and if people who can’t say “vagina” can’t legislate it, you can’t faint with shock at the word pussy. That’s not how this works. that’s not how any of this works.

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          7. @Liz

            Interesting. The vagina hat thing sort of amazed me. Guys are more influence by the desire for respect. That’s why perfectly sensible men can be persuaded to launch mass attacks designed to overwhelm fortified locations. Not safe to be at the tip of the spear, but it is honorable and respectable.

            Imagine being one of Alexander the Great’s soldiers and standing in formation to stop a mass attack by a couple of hundred war elephants. They actually did that. They were more afraid of losing respect than they were of the elephants, and those elephants had to have terrified them.

            I have two daughters. I hope my wife instilled some standards into them. Seems the only protection against such foolishness as Hoyt describes is to choose your friends wisely. It starts in a good Bible-believing church.

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          1. @marmoewp

            Thanks for calling me a racist.

            Unlike some people, Conservatives don’t have low expectations for people of color. We expect them to behave too. So when people in Congress start lying about ICE operating concentration camps and calling everyone who disagrees with them foul names, we think the president should hold them to account.

            Asking Democrats to love America or leave it is certainly appropriate. Some of them are always threatening to leave the country if they lose an election. Unfortunately, they are usually lying about that too.

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          2. Conservatives don’t have low expectations for people of color.

            Tut, tut, Citizen Tom.
            It’s like this:
            “Crime is bad”= You’re a racist
            “America is great! Let’s keep America great!”= You’re a racist
            “Let’s have standards for immigration”= You’re a racist

            Really, everything makes one a racist if you don’t smile and nod like a good member of the hive mind with everything the Democrats say.

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          3. @Liz

            Good way to put it. In fact, it is so well put I feel inspired to add a little.

            I don’t even think even members of the hive are safe. That became evident when AOC called Pelosi a racist. We have rival queens in this hive.

            There is also a king or two, one outside the hive. When Trump condemned AOC for calling Pelosi a racist, they saw him akin to a bear threatening the hive. Even queen bees don’t understand bears.

            Not too many bears these days. Just docile workers. More and more we are beginning to look like a Communist state.

            Communist Party purges tend to be bloody affairs, and there are no innocent bystanders. Every worker bee must choose a hive and a queen or face a painful end that begins with shunning.

            Shunning. That is what the Democrat Establishment has tried to do to Trump, but the Deplorables have refused to permit it.

            It has been such a strange thing to watch Trump withstand such treatment. The Democrats have attributed the devotion of Trump’s followers to tribalism, but I think they are just projecting their own behavior. What ties people to Trump is the respect owed to a brave and resilient man.

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          4. @Tom

            @marmoewp

            Thanks for calling me a racist.

            I beg your pardon? When, where, how?

            I take it you take offence with the article I linked. That article states that Trump is using racist language and is trying to appeal to racists (I concur) and posits that Trump is trying to use racist sentiments to win voters susceptible to racial prejudices. If Trump can do so without alienating too many non-racist Republicans, this strategy could secure him some important swing states. Nowhere does the author of the article call all Republicans racist; he does however posit that too many Republicans do not stand up against Trump’s racist rethoric.

            You have yourself stated repeatedly, that Trump was not the Republican you wanted to have as president and the overriding reason to vote for him anyway was that you considered the alternative of a Hillary Clinton presidency to be worse.

            How does any of the above lead to “Thanks for calling me a racist”?

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          5. You have yourself stated repeatedly, that Trump was not the Republican you wanted to have as president and the overriding reason to vote for him anyway was that you considered the alternative of a Hillary Clinton presidency to be worse.

            That’s true of me as well, but after three years I’m astounded at all Trump has achieved.

            How does any of the above lead to “Thanks for calling me a racist”?

            The article (like many of the posts on this thread) is a backhanded slap at Trump supporters for ostensibly backing “obvious” racist vitriol. I don’t know how many times I can say it, but I see no racist vitriol. “Dog whistles” are a fabrication…the mind reading “what he really meant” is also a fabrication. This is pure tribalism from the left. The reason they translate the words like, “She’s not my type” to “She’s too ugly to grab by the p*ssy” and so forth.
            Trump may succeed or he may fail or he may have a mixed record (at present, he has been very successful)… but it is a pleasure to watch someone working hard for American interests…for a change.

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          6. It’s a pleasure watching someone work for American interests for a change?? You forgot to finish that sentence… “..and I don’t care how he does it.”

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          7. @Doug

            So now Liz is evil? Doug, just because you hate Trump does not mean anyone should. Frankly, you never demonstrated anything except you don’t like the man’s style. So what? Why are we suppose to care?

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          8. If the last 2+ years of the Trump White House has no effect on you then one might wonder.. what does? On the other hand.. YOU might say that the Trump effect has been a Godsend to the country. I echo what I said to Liz… you’re happy as pink at what he’s doing… and don’t care how he does it.

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          9. @Doug

            Most of what Trump has done has to do undoing what Obama did. That is why I am happy with him. A good percentage of what Obama did is unconstitutional.
            — Obamacare
            — The “treaty” with Iran was not approved by the Senate
            — DACA. Obama said that was unconstitutional. Then he did it.
            — Sticking the FBI, NSA, CIA, and such on Trump’s campaign
            — Taking over the school loan program
            — the bailout of GM; putting the unions ahead of the bond holders

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          10. Here’s the funny part about that list.. if someone had said “either the list is ‘fixed’ or we put Trump in office”.. I would have said “fix” the list… easily.

            — Obamacare
            Don’t kid yourself.. it had Obama’s name on it so it was “bad”.

            — DACA
            Read this and learn something correct… and not from FOX or some Conservative “whoopee” site….
            https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/09/donald-trump/obama-hedged-didnt-say-he-lacked-legal-right-daca/

            — Sticking the FBI, NSA, CIA, and such on Trump’s campaign
            You mean investigating Russian meddling? Ohh.. wait.. you’re the conspiracy guy.

            — Taking over school loan program
            You mean, there’s no other school loan lenders because Obama took it all over? Again.. has Obama’s name on it.

            — the bailout of GM; putting the unions ahead of the bond holders
            You mean, free market should have been applied and GM allowed to fail. No one can specifically be assured as to the long term effect of the bailout given few can likely understand being up against the effects of the Wall Street meltdown and decisions were being made to try and compensate for it… other than GM is still in business, people are still employed, and product is being sold. As I recall, one argument at the time was.. you bail out GM or you spend the money paying all those displaced people unemployment.

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          11. @Doug

            What Politifact calls a fact tends to be a Democrat talking point.

            I call it Obamacare because that is what everyone calls it that.

            The items I listed were all unconstitutional. The president doesn’t make the law. He enforces the law, and he does not decide which laws he gets to enforce. His oath requires him to do his job as best he can.

            Here is a sad example. Slavery is wrong. Yet when Abraham Lincoln spoke about the Fugitive Slave Act during the Lincoln-Douglas Debates in 1852, he said he would have to enforce it. He said he did like not that law, but the Constitution required that the slaves be returned.

            Because We the People are what we are, not so good, we have to make some awful tradeoffs. Because he had some inkling of the cost of the war to come, Lincoln wanted peace. Unfortunately, the Democrats were unwilling to compromise. So Union troops laid waste to the South. In the aftermath, the former slaves suffered as much or more than anyone. Give what followed, Jim Crow, the war did not provide a good solution for the problem of slavery. Unreasonable people don’t choose well.

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          12. “Unreasonable people don’t choose well.”
            A perfect example of the current occupier of the Oval Office… far worse than his predecessor could ever be.
            All the current “racist” noise will diminish as the crescendo builds for the Muller testimony. I have a sense that will take us all to a new level of “anything can happen”. While you’re there trying to dispute/debate Trump’s policies.. (which have pretty much only amounted to turmoil and confusion) the rest of us are gradually getting to his performance as a human being and his own Constitutional abuses.

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          13. BTW, Trump support from Republicans is at 90 percent approval rating now. So either he’s an incompetent boob and half of the country just loves racism…or his popularity has little or nothing to do with it (if anything the left is far far far more concerned with a human being’s color and sex than the right, as they’ve demonstrated time and again).

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          14. OT side note: Marmoewp, I saw only very recently your thread on Mattis’ resignation. Posted a little bit there. I was (and still am) a big Mattis fan.

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          15. Doug: You forgot to finish that sentence… “..and I don’t care how he does it.”

            There’s the mind reading again. See how you like to project?

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          16. Doug’s commentary reminds me. The left is now semi-successfully equating America and patriotism to racism. One of the psychological phenomenons of propaganda-induced-Trump Demention Syndrome.

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