No, I Think They’re Evil

Here is post that ought to spark some controversy. I suppose the author, Alexander Hellene, is not quite famous enough to do that, but he poses a difficult question and answers it honestly.

What do we do about mean, treacherous, lying Liberal Democrats? When they won’t play by the rules, behave reasonably, and actually start trying to destroy us, how do we fight back?

Don’t think many Liberal Democrats are mean, treacherous liars? Well, the author, Hellene makes a good start at proving at least some Liberal Democrats are both wrong and evil, but let me add something, several questions.
1. How many of you want to go through what it takes for a Conservative judge to get on the Supreme Court? You know what is going to happen, don’t you?
2. Do you think Conservative politicians enjoy having the news media constantly trying to prove they are bigots of some sort? Doesn’t that suggest why so many Republican politicians behave like wimps?
3. Can you imagine the pressure President Trump has withstood? Can you imagine having your reputation constantly savaged in the national news media and being the subject of investigations by the FBI and a special counsel by people who wanted to frame you?

So think about Hellene’s implied question. Are Liberal Democrats both wrong and evil? Would it not be more difficult to believe that none of them are evil? How can all of them be the dupes of demagogues?

So what do we do? Do we stop loving our enemies? No, but we must hold them accountable, even the dupes if they are willing to lie and hurt people.

Do a little research on Matthew 5:39. Most commentators think that the verse refers to an insulting hit with the back of the hand. In other words, Christians don’t return insult for insult. However, as a latter verse suggest, there is a point where Jesus expects us to defend ourselves and those we love.

Matthew 7:6 New King James Version (NKJV)

6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Jesus wants us to return good for evil, but He also wants His faithful to protect themselves from evil people.

What is the difficulty in politics? Deciding when and how to fight back. As Christians we must strive to be like our Lord. Of course, that includes being full of grace and truth, but it also includes bringing justice to unrepentant wrongdoers.

How do we make the tradeoffs? It is worth considering what Hellene suggests.

Amatopia

“We just think they’re wrong. They think we are evil.”

Many who consider themselves moderate, respectable conservative types love to bandy this phrase around as though it proves their moral superiority to their opponents. Often attributed to the late Charles Krauthammer, it embodies a particular kind of conservative virtue signaling.

“Heh!” they chortle (because they seem like chortlers), “Thank goodness we’re not like those people! We just care about ideas and facts.”

That’s why this phrase embodies a loser mentality. The side that believes it’s own cause with a religious fervor will always best the supposedly calm, collected, fact-based rationalist.

Nobody makes decisions based on facts and evidence or is persuaded by facts and evidence, especially when it comes to politics.

“We just think they’re wrong. They think we are evil” is self-flattering puffery designed to make a mediocre fence-sitter believe that there are so more reasonable than the…

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38 thoughts on “No, I Think They’re Evil

  1. Trump related stuff:
    N.K. to not issue anti-U.S. stampsThis document, released by the Seoul-based Korea Council for Reconciliation and Cooperation on Feb. 25, 2019, shows a North Korean plan to issue stamps for this year. According to the plan, North Korea will not issue anti-American stamps, which it has published every year since 1952. (Yonhap)

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  2. Wear a hat that says, “Make America Great Again!” and get beat up.
    Wear a Che Guevara shirt and walk around without a worry…you might even make friends! Dirt-bag friends most likely, but it sure beats getting attacked.

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  3. So the SC, do we care about sexual abuse or do we care about having to endure the inconvenience and mess of being interrogated about it? Do we care more about the news media portraying us as bigots or do we care about the actual bigotry in the world?

    Thanks, IB, for providing a perfect example of the ridiculousness of the thought crime.
    Let’s imagine all crimes were all treated this way.
    Jan: “You’re a thief! I know you’re a thief!”
    Dan: “No, I’ve never taken anything in my life…”
    Jan: “I’m going to post about your theft to the whole world, call your boss, demand your resignation!”
    Dan: “I’ve worked hard to earn a good reputation and people trust me. This is invaluable. Why are you accusing me of something I didn’t do?”
    Jan: “All you care about is your reputation! A pox on your reputation! That’s just arrogance and pride. Don’t you care about theft at all? If you cared we would be discussing how terrible theft is rather than you talking about your reputation!”

    The mind boggles.

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  4. Tom, Amatopia,

    Sometimes it helps to lighten up when confronting liberals.

    My son gave me a book titled, How to Win a Fight with a Liberal by Daniel Kurtzman.

    Here are a few excerpts

    When they say: What’s so bad about government health care?

    You say: If you put the government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there will be a shortage of sand. Milton Friedman

    When the say: I support abortion rights.

    You say: I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion rights has already been born. Ronald Raegan.

    When they say: What’s wrong with socialism.

    You say: The problem with socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people money. Margaret Thatcher.

    Regards and good will blogging.

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    1. The examples are less about “winning” a debate, but about shutting it down.

      Fun fact I: There is a global shortage of sand, already.
      Fun fact II: Desert sand is unsuitable for making good concrete.

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          1. Kurtzman is claiming to offer you a simple strategy of getting the upper hand in a confrontation with a “Liberal”. From the examples posted and the book excerpts available on Amazon, his strategy is not about convincing anybody, but about delivering oneliners that are supposedly zingers. From what I can tell, using those you will only be able to impress the unknowledgable and make a fool of yourself to anyone else. Let’s have a closer look at the Friedman example.

            Friedman was a well-known economist, and quoting him as the sole element of your reply is an appeal to authority. In which case, the quote should be genuine, which it does not seem to be. The actual known quote of Milton Friedman on desert sand was a funny quip on the effects of price control, but it did not have the wide scope of “put in charge” as claimed by Kurtzman. Attributing the Kurtzman quip to Friedman makes you a liar. Stripped off authoriy, the line is reduced to a mere assertion. Offering it as an argument will open you up to follow-up questions. One of them being, “What would you want to use Sahara sand for, in the first place?” Your reply better not be “Concrete” or “Glass” (yes, the latter is done in an Israeli desert, but you need cheap access to large quantities of water, found in Israel, in the Sahara not so much).

            Do you think, the risk of being exposed as a quote fabricator or economic ignoramus is worth taking?

            Now take your healthcare line. It is so short, that I have to guess at your implied meaning. I would expect it to run along the lines “socialised healthcare leads to rationing and reduces life expectancy”. That about right? If yes, why does the US rank so low in life expectancy at age 65. If no, please elaborate.

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          2. @marmoewp

            Never read the book, but there isn’t any way to win a argument with Liberal. A book like that is just good for a few laughs. Don’t take it so seriously.

            The basic problem with Liberals (Modern sense of the word. Liberals really are not liberal except with other people’s money.) is that they insist upon using the government to run everyone else’s life. The only way to keep them from doing that is to prevent them from running the government. That is, the choice is between running your own life and the false sense of security offered by big brother.

            When people believe they are victims, they tend to want big brother to “protect” them.

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          3. @marmoewp

            Have not read either book. People have been laughing about politics for only God knows how long. Will Rogers was not the first to make a living with political humor. Court Jesters just had to be more circumspect. Kings don’t like being laughed at.

            The fact the author can play both sides just shows how ridiculous we are. Who is perfect?

            I could ridicule Liberals from a personal perspective, but I avoid that. It just invites personalized criticism against me. I try to avoid that 😀, and Scatterwisdom’s quotes did too.

            Each of those quotes was funny because they contained a bit of truth about the practice of modern Liberalism. If Kurtzman’s joke book on Conservativism doesn’t contain jokes with similar bits of truth, I would be surprised. Perfect though we may be, it seems that even the most angelic Christians can find cause to laugh at themselves. It is just more fun to be self deprecating than it is to be ridiculed. However, when religious groups or political parties make absurd promises, they will be ridiculed. The only defense is to avoid being ridiculous.

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      1. marmoewp,

        I wonder if there might be another connection between desert sand being unsuitable for making good concrete to the differences between conservatives and liberal political policies?

        Regards and good will blogging.

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    1. @John

      Well, as used in the Bible “meekness” refers to humility and power under control. That is, we use the gifts God has given us as He would have us use them. Whatever the reason, most of us fail to do that.

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  5. Our obligation is to speak the truth of the good news message of Jesus. How that translates into political speech is a challenge. As conservatives, perhaps we should pray more before we speak. What is the truth of God we need to breath into the situation? What is God’s wisdom and truth? What is the good news message to deliver?

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  6. I’m going to be obstinate here Tom, or perhaps just philosophical. Your questions all revolve around keeping up appearances, reputation, and people favor. It’s a real flaw conservatives have,one I’ve bemoaned since forever, and it’s why we so often lose elections. We’re all about appearance.

    So the SC, do we care about sexual abuse or do we care about having to endure the inconvenience and mess of being interrogated about it? Do we care more about the news media portraying us as bigots or do we care about the actual bigotry in the world? The dominant narrative which is somewhat true is that conservatives really don’t care about any of these things, they care about their own reputation and maintaining a cover of genteel respectability. Whether we like it or not, that just reads, “does not care about the little people and will not touch the issues real voters face.”

    Along comes Trump the divorcee, adulterer, beauty pageant, mean tweeter, and he blew that image right out of the water. He also won the popular vote in a way conservative have never been able to. You’ve probably noticed, Trump’s so called reputation is not his first priority.

    Conservatives don’t like it when I say this, but if you fear accusations of bigotry, you need to confess your bigotry and get right with the Lord. If you fear abuse charges, confess your abuse and get right with the Lord. People can only attack those masks of superficiality conservatives so often wear and the shame beneath them.

    I actually can’t talk to conservatives about any of the issues that concern me. They’re just going to holler about false allegations and feelings. Donald Trump is a fluke, an exception.

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    1. @IB

      You are welcome even when you are being obstinate.

      The principal sin this post addresses is bearing false witness. We are to be witnesses to the Truth.

      I think you know God wants us to value and defend the Truth. How do we do that? We must get people to listen to us, to accept our offer to bring them to the cross.

      We develop a reputation for honesty and integrity. We must strive to say what we mean and mean what we say, talk the talk and walk the walk.Hence the Bible says we must value and protect our reputations. => https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-reputation.html

      The intended effect of lying propaganda, spreading untruths, is ultimately to stop us from spreading the Gospel.

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    2. Conservatives don’t like it when I say this, but if you fear accusations of bigotry, you need to confess your bigotry and get right with the Lord

      We live in a climate where mere accusations, with no basis in evidence, can and do ruin lives. It is both reasonable and rational to fear for oneself and one’s family and community under such conditions.

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      1. “We live in a climate where mere accusations, with no basis in evidence, can and do ruin lives. It is both reasonable and rational to fear for oneself and one’s family and community under such conditions.”

        Right? But we don’t even care about the fact that there are people all around us already living ruined lives. We care about our own protectionism, our own community. We care about maintaining our own status.

        Well, like it or not, I look at that complete indifference, that total absence of a servant’s heart loving it’s neighbor, and as voter, I just pull the lever for the other guy.

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        1. @IB

          We spend huge sums on health, education, and welfare programs. When Conservatives complain, we get attacked. Those supporting the waste try to destroy our reputations, to render our complaints ineffective. Unless you have a good reputation, there is no reason for anyone to believe you.

          Look at yourself. I complain about Liberal Democrats destroying the reputations of Conservatives, and you are actually repeating their propaganda.

          As a matter of fact, Trump does protect his reputation. Where did the expression “fake news” come from? Attack Trump, and he comes back twice as hard.

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          1. Truthfully Tom, in a world full of lies, gossip, and constant fake news, reputation just doesn’t carry much weight anymore. You can buy an image and hire someone to manage it. Or you can hire hit men to make it look bad.

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          2. Truthfully Tom, in a world full of lies, gossip, and constant fake news, reputation just doesn’t carry much weight anymore. You can buy an image and hire someone to manage it. Or you can hire hit men to make it look bad.

            You have 180 out wrong. In a world full of lies and fake news, a history of credibility is one’s only defense. Trust is earned, much like respect. One can demand trust but without a history of credibility it just makes him/her appear LESS trustworthy.

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        2. “Right? But we don’t even care about the fact that there are people all around us already living ruined lives. We care about our own protectionism, our own community. We care about maintaining our own status.”
          Yeah, that’s going to happen.
          When one is falsely accused of witchcraft, and there are false witchcraft trials everywhere, and things have gotten so out of hand that people are actually paying Nigerians to pretend to be witches so they can claim to be victims of witchcraft, one is going to be far less interested in looking for witches.

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          1. Saw a post this morning regarding the recent rash of “recalcitrant” ISIS brides and the folks who sympathize with them,
            “You get more of a fair shake in the MSM if you joined ISIS than it you’re a smirking teenager in a MAGA hat”.
            This statement is literally true…it’s not even parody.
            It should be rich parody, but it isn’t.

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          2. Here’s a question conservatives should be asking themselves, Liz. How come we all care so, so much about a two bit actor who lied trying to create a victim narrative for publicity’s sake, but we care nothing about Christopher Paul Hasson? Do we even know who he is? Do we recognize his face? Any memes being posted?

            The truth is, conservatives have this deep seated flaw, always have, where we express our concern over false allegations, keeping up appearances, and maintaining our status in the world, and we’re outraged when any of that is threatened.

            Are we outraged when a conservative white supremicist is caught planning an actual terrorist attack? Not so much….

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          3. @IB

            Don’t mistake what we see in the mass media for reality. It is entertainment. It is designed to provide an audience for advertisers, and it serves the political interests of the owners. If you want to form an accurate impression of a group people, it is of little help.

            Fact is that there are all kinds of people who are Conservative. Same is true of Liberal Democrats. So when we use these labels, we have to focus on the political positions and the propaganda associated with each label. Does not do much good to go beyond that.

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