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Do Liberal Democrats have an immigration policy that is coherent with the promises they make for the rest of their agenda? Consider following column by Jared Whitley.
The Democrats have an ambitious vision for America. One that offers a robust social safety net, demands strict gun control, and is as gay- and female-friendly as possible.
There’s just one problem. Their immigration policy contradicts all of those goals. (continued here (washingtontimes.com))
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The Chicago Tribune columnist pointed out the surprising statistics that prove that deaths from gun use in criminal acts are declining while the use of guns for suicide are rising.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-chapman-gun-deaths-suicide-cdc-1216-20181214-story.html
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems blame Trump and/or the Republicans for being the reason for all the suicides. Sad.
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@Scatterwisdom
Why would Liberal Democrats want to include the deaths from suicides in the statistics for gun violence? If they are for abortion and euthanasia, why would they have a problem with suicide? If someone who is in physical pain has the “right” to do away with themselves, why doesn’t someone who is suffering mental anguish? Are Democrats just worried they might lose too many of their voters? All we know for certain is that Liberal Democrats detest privately owned guns.
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The chart I created from CDC statistics does NOT include suicides and is based on death certificates. Suicides and suicides by firearms have their own categories in the CDC data.
As I have no idea, what statistics in the case of homicide by firearm should be closer to truth than a countrywide tally of death certificates, I am inclined to conclude that both Whitley and Chapman are either ignorant on the very subject they pontificate about or willfully misleading. If you do not think so, please point me to the actual data the two reporters rely on, rather than their assertions, such that I can check the data myself.
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Three sources appear to verify Chapman’s statement
CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
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“The U.S. Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide. In the U.S., firearmsremain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 51% of all suicides committed in 2006.
CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-laws-state-impact-on-shooting-deaths-suicide-study/
Suicides account for nearly two-thirds of the gun deaths in the U.S. each year. About 22,000 people took their own life with a gun in 2015.
Sad
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@marmoemp
I think we are overreacting here. CDC provides the stats. You may have opted to separate the suicides out your chart, but I expect most gun control activists don’t.
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Let me put it bluntly. Whitley/Chapman claim, that the trend of gun violence is down to accuse gun control advocates of deceiving the public. Actually the trend in gun violence is up in general and has leveled of the single last year; that’s the exact opposite of their claim, a claim they profess to have looked at. Whitley/Chapman do the equivalent of saying “Fruit advocates are deceiving you in telling you that fruit are healthy; what they will not tell you is that apples are poisonous.” So now tell me: who are the people being dumb and devious in this instance?
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Do we have to have absurd arguments over meaningless statistics?
1. Your chart doesn’t cover the same time period the that the fellows you accused talked about.
2. Your y-axis is sized to exaggerate the rise in gun deaths over the last several years. We are all going to get shot?
3. Steve Chapman commented on Everytown for Gun Safety use of statistics, focusing principally on the abused of suicide data. That has nothing to do with your chart.
Your accusations are just as hysterical Everytown for Gun Safety’s use of statistics. People, that is you and me and everyone else, die, and some people collect statistics. We might die of something related to what we like doing. That is a big surprise?
Many Americans enjoy gun sports. Many more think they have the right to protect themselves. So we have guns, and we use them. Just as people get killed with autos, skiis, hammers, cigarettes, canned foods, ropes, cats, lawnmowers, kitchen knives, rocks, and whatever else happens to be around, some people get killed with guns. Getting hysterical about it, even with highfalutin statistics doesn’t help anyone except busybodies.
The numbers go up, and they down. We argue about why, but when it comes to stats on social issues, we usually don’t agree on why. Unfortunately, that doesn’t stop busybodies from using meaningless numbers to interfere with other people’s lives.
Most accidents in the home happen in a certain room in the house. When busybodies have nothing else to do, it is a good bet that they will try to make that room so safe and so expensive that no one will want one.
https://blog.aarp.org/2011/08/16/beware-the-most-dangerous-room-in-the-house/
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Three sources appear to verify Chapman’s statement
CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
Google
“The U.S. Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide. In the U.S., firearmsremain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 51% of all suicidesc ommitted in 2006.
CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-laws-state-impact-on-shooting-deaths-suicide-study/
Suicides account for nearly two-thirds of the gun deaths in the U.S. each year. About 22,000 people took their own life with a gun in 2015.
Sad
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All the sources you cite are focused on suicide and have, I am talking about gun violence w/o suicide as Whitley and Chapman purport to do. I’ll take that as a candid admission that there simply is no data to back up their claims.
Both Whitley and Chapman lie about the numbers they use to accuse Demcorats / gun control activists / insert your favorite gun rights boogeyman of deceiving the public. So just how dumb and devious are Whitley, Chapman and the newssources that carry their lies?
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I believe these links might better reveal the statistics.
This CDC link states a total of All firearm deaths
• Number of deaths: 38,658
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm.
This CDC link states
Firearm suicides
• Number of deaths: 22,938
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• https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
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When you divide 22,038 by 38,658, it equals 57 percent.
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Not sure why this got spammed.
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From the article: Despite the steady decline in gun violence nationwide
When you look at statistics of death certificates, data from the CDC:
Abolish ICE and criminals will get more guns, not less.
AFAIK, currently guns used in crimes and traced by the ATF for the most part were purchased legally within the USA by the original owner, imports are neglible; on the contrary, the USA is the most important source of illegal guns inside Mexico.
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Including an image inside the comment did not work, here’s the link to the firearms homicde death rate
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https://citizentom.com/2018/12/21/just-how-dumb-and-devious-are-liberal-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-85138
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