People Are Going to Get Killed and That’s What the Powers That Be Want

Alex is concerned about the incivility expressed by leading Democrats. What is going to happen? Is The Second Civil War about to Start? Perhaps, but I expect the most of the leaders in the Democratic Party will notice their rhetoric is frightening the voters. So they will tone it down, and the news media will pretend it is all the Tea Party’s fault.

How did matters degenerate to this point? Liberal Democrats are sore losers, and losing control of the government masters too much.

Look at history. Why is slavery the norm? Why are most governments so authoritarian? We don’t like to work. We are too important for that. To avoid work, if we can find some excuse for taking someone else’s property and making them work for us, we will do so. We will even pretend we are doing our slaves a big favor. We may think ourselves better than our ancestors, but we are not.

How do we know the Truth about ourselves? If we love our neighbors, we will work to protect their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we don’t love our neighbors, then we will work to give the “people” their “rights” using our neighbors’ property and labor.

On November 6, 2018 we will vote. Early voting has already started. Please pray before you vote. Ask our Lord to guide us and our fellows. Ask Him to help us to vote to protect each other instead of exploiting each other.

Amatopia

Republicans don’t riot.

There. I said it.

Anyway, I don’t care what party you vote for. This is scary stuff. Someone is going to get killed. A sitting U.S. Representative already almost did. So did a sitting U.S. Senator (both, coincidentally, Republicans). Floyd Lee Corkins almost killed people, based on information from the SPLC (which, coincidentally, hates Republicans).

I’m not saying “all left-wingers are political terrorists,” but the overwhelming majority of political terrorists are left-wingers.

Remember, on November 8, 2016, in a post called “I Sincerely Hope Nobody Dies: Election Day 2016,” I wrote:

There will be a 1 to 2 percent chance of rioting and violence if Hillary Clinton wins the 2016 United States Presidential election, and a 99.9 percent chance of rioting and violence if Donald Trump wins.

The bar for American’s behavior when it comes to politics is now so low that I will consider Election Day…

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  1. Tom,

    I think our dog, Ollie, has a “millennial” personality. He expects to get a treat just for finishing his dinner. On the other hand, our late and great Fred dog had the nature of a true “baby boomer”. He would snatch food off the counter and snarl at you if you tried to take it away from him.

    Seems like both the Dems and the GOP are Freds lately. Maybe it will be an improvement when the Ollies take over.😊

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  2. Tom,

    Lots of things for people to be angry about nowadays, I guess.

    Even Jesus got angry in the Temple.

    Question is if anger is based on righteousness or because of vanity and personal disappointment that things are not going “my” way.

    Anger that results in a positive result vs. a negative result is something to consider news reports of angry mobs. Of course, anger that result is killing someone is not positive.

    I believe in Clinton anger is based on disappointment about things not going “her” way.

    We apparently need some leaders and psychologists to explain positive vs. negative anger, wise vs. foolish anger, righteous vs. wicked anger, etc. to today’s activists in the news.
    I keep trying to understand what the Democrats are angry about other than not losing the power to have the government do it “their” way.

    Seems our Republic and the belief that the winner of an election solves differences of political opinions to everyone’s ideals of a Republic as being a righteous way to govern and live within a free society.

    Perhaps not working so well because of the absence of the Bible teaching people righteousness, wisdom, and love?

    Sad.

    Regards and good will blogging.

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  3. I have been so blown away with the latest comments from the likes of Holder and Clinton, only to be followed by Rand Paul’s thinking that somebody is going to get killed, etc…( why I’m surprised, I’m not sure) but to say that I am blown away by such is an understatement…I feel as if I don’t know my own Nation anymore…
    Sure…two parties have always bickered and bristled against one another, but to now threaten and even advocate violence while shunning civility is simply barbaric…as in we have lost our humanity for one another… My post tomorrow focuses on a house divided…and we are certainly that!!! And we should not that the ending for such a “house” is not good!
    I feel sick inside and very sad.

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  4. I’m not saying “all left-wingers are political terrorists,” but the overwhelming majority of political terrorists are left-wingers.

    When it comes to lethal violence, the Anit-Defamation league took a look at the data and found your impression is wrong, by far

    Over the last decade, 71% of domestic extremist related killings in the US were linked to right-wing extremists, while Islamic extremists committed 26% of the killings, the report notes. An Islamic extremist committed the single deadliest incident in 2017: the New York City vehicle ramming attack killed eight people. Left-wing extremists and those who didn’t fall in the previous two categories carried out the other 3% of deaths. 2017 was the second year in a row in which black nationalists committed murders in the US.

    BTW, may I remind you of a few choice quotes by your President:
    “I’d like to punch him in the face”
    “Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees”
    “The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of.”

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    1. @marmoewp

      I didn’t exactly agree with that statement by Alex. In recent years the majority of politically motivated attacks, especially those intended to strike terror, have generally come from Islamic radicals. Since Trump put ISIS out of business and is working harder to keep terrorists out of the USA, 2017 seems to have been a bit more quiet with respect to Islamic radicals.

      I also don’t make much distinction between the Left and the Right. Both are totalitarian and hateful. However, for obvious reasons some Jews tend to be obsessed Nazi-like, white supremacists. Their numbers are miniscule, but they are nuts and crazy. So the ADL feeds off the fear of them.

      The ADL is too closely aligned with the Democratic Party to take any claim they might be objective seriously. So I am not going waste more time with their report. Given the number violent counter protesters that turn out whenever the white supremacists demonstrate, it is fairly obvious we have larger numbers of Left wing nuts in the USA.

      Anyway, unlike Trump, Democrats have been dead serious about making life difficult for Trump’s officials and supporters. As Alex pointed out they have have advocated “incivility”, not just obstruction.

      If you want reduce Alex’s post down to one sentence and complain about its imperfections, I think you are missing something, like the rest of the post.

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      1. ADL is notoriously unforthcoming about their statistics, and they are often very wrong. I don’t know where their sources come from because they’ve never bothered to cite their sources. I do know that they cite prison shankings as “right wing motivated violence” well (and i’m reasonably certain they don’t cite any prison shankings as left wing attacks. Funny how that works). They also claim racist motivated attacks when the attacks are white on white.
        This would be an example of an ADL cited “white supremacist motivated attack”

        (they have in fact cited the above, and I’d provide a link but the number of links I can post here is limited…noteably all the victims were white, and it seemed more and anti-Christian attack since he asked them if they were Christian and when they answered in the affirmative he shot them)

        This is a good sight for real statistics on extremist violence. It can be narrowed to fit a certain year and country. I’ve been following ADL’s claims and watching these statistics over the years off and on and the GAO statistics do not in any way support ADL’s claims.
        https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?expanded=no&casualties_type=b&casualties_max=&start_yearonly=2016&end_yearonly=2017&dtp2=all&success=yes&country=217&ob=GTDID&od=desc&page=1&count=100#results-table

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          1. No problem, Citizen Tom. 🙂
            Just looking at the 2017 report marmoewp linked to believe and some of those incidents are a strange upon inspection also.
            If we are going to classify extremist violence as extremist violence there should be some causal relationship between the belief and the crime.
            Drug related violence, prison escape attempts, or violence where “the motive was apparently personal” (ADL’s words…for crime classified as an extremist motivated attack) should not qualify in the same category as Dylann Roof shoots up a church or Islamists crash a plane into the WTC.

            Speaking of which…
            https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Murder-and-Extremism-in-the-United-States-in-2015-web.pdf
            In 2015 ADL (linked above) made this claim:
            “As has been the case every year since 1995, white supremacists have been responsible for the largest number of deaths, at 20.”

            According to the ADL, “white supremacists” have been responsible for the largest number of extremist deaths…to exclude September 11, 2001. When thousands were killed by Islamic terrorists crashing into buildings. These were domestic flights. I’m quite certain all of their statistics are in error, but this one is so obvious and clumsy it stands out over the rest.
            This statement alone should discredit them as a legitimate source of statistics forever.

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          2. Excuse me, not “to exclude September 11, 2001”, to include it (hope that was obvious in the context but thought I should make that clear. IOW, ADL ignored 911.

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          3. @Liz

            marmoewp tends to pick one supposed flaw and focus attention on that. Occasionally, he may even be correct in whatever particular and specific assertion he is making, he misses the main point of the post. He actually seems to be trying to avoid seeing the forest by planting his nose in a tree.

            Since Liberal Democrats abandoned the KKK, there appear to be relatively few white supremacists. So why would they become a big threat now? Well, there is there war on women Liberal Democrats keep talking about. There are also wars on blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and so forth. Who is the favorite group to blame? White men? And unless they are Liberal Democrats white men are all white supremacists, right?

            Every tyrannical movement needs some kind of villain, but who would have thought the Democrats would hate white Conservative men? Crazy people.

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          4. @Liz

            In 2015 ADL (linked above) made this claim:
            “As has been the case every year since 1995, white supremacists have been responsible for the largest number of deaths, at 20.”

            You may want to mention to Tom, that this specific ADL report is about DOMESTIC extremists. It’s mentioned repeatedly and really hard to miss. “Domestic extremist” does not mean the attrocity was carried out within the US, but that the perpetrators are residents, which the 9/11 terrorists were not. They lived and were radicalised in Germany. So that obviously is the reason why 9/11 is excluded, unless you consider Germany to be a US state. How this is supposed to be evidence of untrustworthiness of the ADL is beyond me.

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          5. @Tom

            Since Liberal Democrats abandoned the KKK, there appear to be relatively few white supremacists. So why would they become a big threat now?

            I know you like to stick fingers in your ears and sing “La-la-la” when confronted with inconvenient facts. How about the GAO? Do you think they are prone to bullshit you, too?

            Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. As shown in figure 2, fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016 (see fig. 2).

            Out of the 106 right wing violent extremist groups killings since the day after 9/11, white supremacists were responsible for 60 murders (I counted them in table 1). So why indeed would anyone consider white supremacists a threat? After all, they only killed half as many people as Islamists did and left the other 46 murders to other right wing extremists. All of these numbers of course get dwarfed by the number of people killed by far left extremists during the same period: None.

            But as Alex points out, there is obviously nothing to see in the above, the people left of the GOP are the dangerous ones and need to be watched. Did I get the main and most important point correct this time, Tom? Do I get a cookie?

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          6. @marmoewp

            I live here. I don’t know any white supremacists, and mass murders by white supremacists are few and far between. Believe me. Whenever a white supremacist kills someone, our Liberal News media is overjoyed.

            What I can see is a political party intent upon grasping for power. What happened in Germany could happen here.

            The Obama administration abused its control over the IRS, the CIA, the DOJ, and the FBI. There is no doubt about this. So who is being investigated? Trump.

            When Tea Party activists demonstrated against Obamacare, what did the Democrats do? They accused the most orderly and peaceful of demonstrators (Against Obamacare?) of being white supremacists. Such tactics are called the “big lie”. Instead of dealing with the substance of issues, tyrants call their opponents names.

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          7. “DOMESTIC extremists. It’s mentioned repeatedly and really hard to miss. “Domestic extremist” does not mean the attrocity was carried out within the US, but that the perpetrators are residents, which the 9/11 terrorists were not.”

            The terrorists had 5 year business visas. And the attacks were domestic.
            Do ANY immigrants count as “domestic” and at what point?
            Well, I can say with a great deal of certainty that if immigrants and those on 5 year business visas conducting terrorism in the US “don’t count”….
            those results are seriously skewed.
            Is this the group we’re relying on for conducting immigration crime statistics too?

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          8. Just to add:
            ““Domestic extremist” does not mean the attrocity was carried out within the US, but that the perpetrators are residents, which the 9/11 terrorists were not.”

            When you obtain a 5 year visa, you are kind of establishing residency, no?

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          9. @Liz
            You are reaching. The 14 muscle hijackers entered the US with tourist visas in spring and early summer 2001. Most pilots came to the US in 2000. They came on B1 and B2 visas and stayed to get flight training. All of them entered the USA already radicalised and with the intention of carrying out an established attack plan. They still needed to establish the infrastructure (pilot training, driving licenses to ease boarding domestic flights, logistics, …) to carry out the attacks successfully. If that makes them domestic terrorists in your view, you should ask yourself, whether or not you have any meaningful definition of domestic vs foreign terrorists, when it comes to attacks on US soil.

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          10. “If that makes them domestic terrorists in your view, you should ask yourself, whether or not you have any meaningful definition of domestic vs foreign terrorists, when it comes to attacks on US soil.”

            I’m pretty comfortable with the definition of domestic terrorist as a person who engages in domestic terrorist activity. I think if there’s anyone reaching, it’s ADL suggesting that a prison breakout/robbery of a jewelry store gone wrong/prison shanking et al as examples of domestic terrorist activity. If they are going to do that, they need to include black on white crime as well…think there just might be some black prisoners who hate white prisoners and are involved in shankings? Prisons are notorious for racially motivated slayings.

            “Your GTD link includes property damage like setting a portaloo on fire, the ADL numbers are about killings. The GTD search mask allows to select only those cases with fatalities. Your assertion that ADL data differs significantly from GTD may be wrong or right. You may want to take a closer look.”

            The link includes a search option for exclusively fatalities/fatalities plus casualties, etc. But even without using that search feature the number of casualties and fatalities are listed right there…just disregard whichever you want.

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          11. Just to add, there was an example of a white supremacist slaying two of his white supremacist friends for making fun of him for converting to Islam. I have to wonder what category ADL thinks that one fits under.

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        1. @Liz

          The Oregon shooter had a manifest, the kind of thing a mass shooter wants to draw attention to. A third of that manifesto is dedicated to how vile and inferior black men are. Some people may consider this a white supremacist motivation. Your choice.

          Your GTD link includes property damage like setting a portaloo on fire, the ADL numbers are about killings. The GTD search mask allows to select only those cases with fatalities. Your assertion that ADL data differs significantly from GTD may be wrong or right. You may want to take a closer look.

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    2. The data behind those statistics is 19 specific events (cited without reference) described as “extremist related killings”. This isn’t enough data to make any meaningful conclusions about extremist killings in the last decade.

      Tom’s post is observing that the call for violence is coming from leftists who are members of congress. These aren’t wing-nut KKK members burning crosses. It’s folks like Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, and Corey Booker. When elected officials tell constituents to “stop being civil”, things go downhill quickly.

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      1. Errrmm, that is 19 specific cases in 2017 alone. The passage I quoted covers the DECADE 2008-2017. To quote from the 2017 ADL report:

        Over the past 10 years (2008-17), domestic extremists have been responsible for at least 387 murders; of these, 274 (71%) were committed by right-wing extremists of one type or another.

        Based on the quotes I have heard from Holder and Clinton I object to your assertion that they tell constituents to “stop being civil”. Below I’ve enclosed the quotes I am aware of and that got media coverage over the last few days, none of which support your assertion. So, please provide quotes to support your assertion regarding Clinton, Holder and Booker. Maxine Waters was wrong to call for harrassment of cabinet members, I’ll give you that.

        Eric Holder:

        “When they go low, we kick ’em.” … “When I say ‘kick ‘em,’ I don’t mean do anything inappropriate, don’t do anything illegal, but we’ve got to be tough. And we’ve got to fight for the very things that John Lewis, Martin Luther King, Whitney Young, all those folks gave to us.” … “That stuff can be taken away. That’s what they want to do,”

        Hillary Clinton:

        “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and/or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again. Until then, the only thing the Republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength. And you heard how the Republican members, led by Mitch McConnell, the president, really demeaned the confirmation process, insulted and attacked not only Dr. Ford but women who were speaking out. ”

        “You know, look, I remember Republican operatives shutting down the voting in Florida in 2000. I remember the swiftboating of John Kerry. I remember the thing that even the Republican Party did to John McCain in 2000. I remember what they did to me for 25 years, the falsehoods, the lies, which unfortunately people believe because the Republicans have put a lot of time, money and effort in promoting them. ”

        “So when you’re dealing with an ideological party that is driven by the lust for power, that is funded by corporate interests who want a government that does its bidding, you can be civil but you can’t overcome what they intend to do unless you win elections. “

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        1. If the quotes you supplied yourself aren’t sufficient evidence of leftists calling for the disruption of civility, I have nothing more convincing.

          I will stand with you in opposition of right wing extremists committing murder.

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        2. @marmoewp

          I will readily agree that the mass media, both Conservative and Liberal Democrat, take the statement politicians make out of context. However, I don’t think we have any reason to doubt the hostility of the Liberal Democrats to Trump and anyone who supports him. We also have leaders in the Democratic Party calling for incivility and “resistance”. Given their statements and the virulent reaction to the appointment and confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh, Senator Rand Paul is worried things are getting out of hand.
          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-warns-of-assassination-after-kavanaugh-confirmation-i-really-worry-someone-is-going-to-be-killed

          Can’t say he has not been on the receiving end of “incivility”.

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          1. If you consider groups like Antifa as ideologically identical to every other right leaning group, then I understand how you conclude the “right” is responsible for so much violence. It’s a great way to perpetuate your personal narrative. It’s a terrible way to have a conversation.

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