Of course, it was inevitable. I was not going to ask that question without trying to answer it. So here is my response to WAS PLATO RIGHT ABOUT MONEY? I provided it when I replied to Xeno.


Honestly, I sometimes trust a wealthy person more. They aren’t as beholden, they speak their actual mind, and know that a good business deal is not about screwing someone. That strategy is a long term loser as many know … but many still don’t. To whom are you more likely to lend your car, a person who could buy you a new car or a friend who can’t even afford gas?

Citizen Tom

It is complicated subject. This much is obvious.

Proverbs 28:6 English Standard Version (ESV)

6 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity
than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.

Some folks seem to miss this.

1 Timothy 6:10 New King James Version (NKJV)

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Wealth is not evil. The love of money or wealth, however, is a problem. Jesus put it this way.

Matthew 6:24 New King James Version (NKJV)24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon

Unfortunately, most of us find the prospect of riches tempting. So we have this proverb.

Proverbs 30:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 Two things I request of You
(Deprive me not before I die):
8 Remove falsehood and lies far from me;
Give me neither poverty nor riches—
Feed me with the food allotted to me;
9 Lest I be full and deny You,
And say, “Who is the Lord?”
Or lest I be poor and steal,
And profane the name of my God.



  1. TomProverb 10:22

    The path of wisdom can lead to both wealth and a long life. Wealth gained through righteousness should not create guilt. Wealth derived from righteousness is a blessing we should enjoy and profit without vexation.” It is Yahweh’s blessing which brings wealth, and there is no increase of vexation with it. (Proverb 10:22)

    The problem between Plato and Diogenes appears to be the same controversy and conflict problems we have in the USA, in my opinion.

    We cannot force people to live righteously as Plato wanted or envisioned without conflict.
    A person in the one percent wealth bracket who does not willingly help the poor or provide equity for their labors is not righteous according to the Bible. Can a righteous one percenter sit passively by and watch the poor suffer?

    We cannot force people to live according to the Bible in the USA if we do not introduce them to the Bible in their childhood.

    In my opinion, the future for the wealthy one percenters who do not understand this Biblical wisdom may in time lead to anarchy in the USA same as world history has proven in the past.

    Nothing new under the sun

    Regards and good will blogging.

  2. I appreciate this post Tom. People frequently forget, as you point out, that it is not money that is evil but your relationship with it if you value it more than anything, especially God. On the flip side there are a lot of wealth haters out there who assign negative traits to people with money based merely on income ,which is absurd. There are good and bad rich people just as there are good and bad poor people. It’s more fun I guess to point fingers at the wealthy.

    1. @Tricia

      Good points!

      Plato thought he could design a government that would make almost all of the people within a society virtuous. What is the problem with that? Well, Plato recognized the dilemma. How do we put the wise and virtuous in charge? Plato tried, but he never actually solved that problem.

      Diogenes and Plato were contemporaries, and Diogenes did not get along with Plato. Diogenes was looking for an honest man. I guess Plato did not qualify, and I suppose Plato sort of realized that Diogenes had a point.

      Still, Plato dreamed of something better. Diogenes was perhaps a bit too cynical, but he searched so he too must have hoped. Can you imagine being a pagan? Where is the hope in that?

      1. Not much hope in that at all Tom! It’s interesting history about Plato and Diogenes too, something I don’t know much about.

  3. This is interesting stuff,Tom. I actually have some spiritual issues around money, wounds if you will,sin perhaps. The past few years the Lord has been speaking to me about contentment as a form of complacency. Contentment is awesome, but do I remain where I am simply because it is so comfortable and familiar?

    I really am at heart a poverty advocate too, as in I can see so many of the spiritual wounds that make us poor. We can pour money all over the poor but if we don’t get to the root of the problem, they will just remain poor.

    Conversely, we also seem to live in a world that often financially rewards immorality. Chuckling here, because I don’t want to upset anyone,but that’s part of what all this swamp draining is about, and I can’t say I am opposed to it at all.

    1. @IB

      You have heard that phrase: “follow the money”?Because the love of wealth is at the root of so many problems, the Bible has much to say about money. Would it not be difficult to find anyone who doesn’t have problems with wealth? As Michael mentioned earlier, covetousness is a big problem, a sin even if we “think” we have done nothing about it.

      We all see things that belongs to someone else that we want, and money can buy many of those things. Hence there is no shortage of busybodies — many working for the government — who yearn to spend someone else’s money for them.

      Anyway, I expect that the Apostle Paul could tell us that the quickest way to spoil contentment is to listen to God and to do what He calls us to do. Ironically, I suppose the apostle would also tell us that the only way to find true contentment is to follow our calling.

      Anyway, I don’t know exactly how one finds their calling. Unlike Paul, now in his glory with our Lord, I am still trying to figure out what God would have me do. I may speak of the light, but He has not yet struck me blind. He has only poked me with a goad and knocked me to the ground a few times. Since I don’t want to be struck blind, I suppose I need to pray more. Not good at that.

  4. It all depends on the person. Love the Lord more, and your path will be easier. Not EASY, but easier.

    I don’t like how many here in the US worship wealth. It’s Mammon’s land and we just live in it.

    1. @Alex

      I agree with everything except the last sentence. My guess is that you don’t actually mean it.

      Remember this passage? Our Lord has given us a mission.

      Matthew 5:13-16 New King James Version (NKJV)
      Believers Are Salt and Light

      13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
      14 “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

      We must allow our Lord to season us. We must allow His light to shine through us. With our example, we are to discourage evil, cause our fellows to repent, and show our countrymen the light of Jesus Christ.

      Have hope. Where it is darkest the light shines all the brighter.

      1. I don’t mean it. But I do get cynical sometimes about the leaders of this nation and our other so-called elites. They talk such a big game about “ethics” and “responsibility” and “public service,” but look how they act.

        There are some who I DO believe actually care. Look at the rich and powerful and see how they act. If their actions are things that would tend to reduce their own power and wealth, they’re probable coming from a place of sincerity.

        Thank you for the passage. It is one of my favorites. No point in hiding the light. It’s better to be an example of something good as opposed to only pointing out the bad. Anyone can diagnose a problem. So few can address it. God help us all, and I mean that sincerely.

  5. Some good responses. I would add that most of us can tell whether or not we are in love with our riches by our willingness to share them, give them away or turn them out of our control.

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