Look at the picture above. Does not look like much, but what does it symbolize? For moment contemplate the four Gospels. Imagine the terror the apostles felt when Jesus was seized, tried,  condemned, and crucified. Pontius Pilate sought His release, but the Jewish priesthood wanted Him dead. Therefore, Pilate ordered Him beaten and whipped; he allowed Him to be crowned with thorns and ridiculed. Finally, Pilate had Jesus crucified between two thieves.

Why had this happened to the Christ, the Savior? Even after being Jesus’ disciples for three years the apostles did not know. So after His death they hid, afraid.

What was Jesus doing? In Agree to Disagree?, insanitybytes22 explains the difference between peacemaking and peacekeeping. Peacemaking is biblical, but what about peacekeeping?

It is not biblical. The bible says, “Blessed are the peaceMAKERS: for they shall be called the children of God.” Making the peace is a whole different thing. “Making” is an action word, “keeping” is more passive. Peacemakers must stand in the truth, there is often going to be confrontation, and you cannot simply agree to disagree because that is just like draping a paper towel over a big mess on the counter and pretending you’ve fixed it.

Just because peacekeeping isn’t biblical, doesn’t mean I’m saying it’s wrong or sinful or anything. It sometimes serves a vital purpose. Sometimes just biting your tongue and keeping the peace really is the right thing to do. (from here)

When He died upon the cross, Jesus was peacemaking. Jesus confronts us with the truth of our sins. Then He provides the means for our forgiveness and reconciliation with God. Because God regards sin as a serious matter, He expects us to stop sinning, to obey His commands, but some people don’t want to obey God. That creates divisions between peacemakers and peacekeepers.

Here is an example. In But What About…???, Pastor Randy explains that he considering is parting from the United Methodist Church (UMC).

So, as I await the decision coming in February 2019 from the governing body of my Tribe, a Tribe of which I have been in my entire life, I have made my decision.  My decision is to become the person God intends for me to become and be faithful to His design.  After all, HE created me.  Furthermore, as one called out because of God’s grace, I will no longer be tied to a group that emphasizes feelings over truth.  I grieve deeply over this informed decision in my heart, but I will be faithful to this decision with deep humility.  Though I grew up in the United Methodist Church, and have served Jesus for over 43 years in this church, I probably will not finish my race in this life in this Tribe if the decision is “choose your own way”.  As Joshua challenged the Hebrews, his challenge is now before me from Joshua 24:15 (NIV)

But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

It is better to serve the Lord…and this is my choice, my only “option”… (from here)

What is the decision is waiting for? Whether the UMC will accept the practice of homosexuality for the sake of peacekeeping.

Is it difficult to show that the Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin? No. The Bible is not a book about homosexuality. The Bible is the story of how Jesus Christ redeemed us from our sins, and homosexuality is just one of many sins.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Good News Translation (GNT)

29 This is all that I have learned: God made us plain and simple, but we have made ourselves very complicated.

If anyone has ever tried to decipher the acronyms of LGBTQ identity politics, the acronyms alone are complicated enough (see LGBTQIA Resource Center Glossary). The Bible does not make it complicated; it just says enough about homosexuality to make it quite clear homosexuality is wrong.

There are also many straightforward explanations of what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.

Unfortunately, some people want rationalizations for their behavior, not the simple truth.

The rationalizations sound logical, if absurdly complicated, but rationalizations do tend to do that. My favorite is the observation that the word “homosexual” was not invented until the 19th century, as if homosexuality as practiced today is something brand new. Does anyone really believe that, or have some people just managed to convince themselves of something they want to believe true?

Whatever our choice of sins might be, we do love our sins. Consider what John Branyan observes in Hoping for Hopelessness.

Wickedness Exists
Some people celebrate evil.

What’s that?

You don’t believe me?!!

Forgive me…but that’s part of our problem.

This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. – John 3:19

Did you think lovers of evil disappeared during the Enlightenment?

They didn’t.

The villains are still around. (from here)

So why would anyone decide to leave a church that he had been closely associated with for a long time? What do we go to church for? The answer is FELLOWSHIP. puts it this way.

 A family of fellow Christians can be a wonderful source of strength and encouragement for us. Many times though, we aren’t even aware of the pain and suffering they’re going through. We’ve all gotten wrapped up in our own lives and often forget that others need to be lifted up in prayer too.

That’s why being a part of a church family is so important to me. Even though there may be things that I might feel embarrassed to share with someone or too proud to let others know about, I realize that I have a family of friends who will pray for my needs along with theirs.(continued here)

Each of us has an obligation to carry out the Great Commission, but none of us has the strength or the gifts required to carry out that task alone. We need to work together and encourage each other. When the church we attend ceases to focus on Jesus — when it becomes a hindrance to focusing on Jesus — we must consider separating ourselves from it.

Is your church one of the Things That Keep Us From Following Jesus? Strictly speaking, Wally Fry doesn’t talk about church membership in his post, but he does talk about discipleship. As members of the church we attend, we should be learning from each other how to be disciples of Jesus Christ.

There is a song with the following refrain: “Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die.” We all want to attain heaven; we also like our lives here on Earth. Strictly speaking, that is not necessarily a problem; God blesses us and desires joy for us while we live here. He also has a mission for each of us while here. The problem arises when we think joy means getting what we want rather than God’s mission. Sadly, many want their ticket to heaven punched, but never want to actually leave the station and take the trip. (from here)

When the church we attend is led by people determined to ignore the clear meaning of scripture, what is the chance that church is helping its members learn to be disciples of Christ? If a church is not teaching its members to be disciples of Christ, then we cannot contribute to it or support it. We must support a church that strives to function according to the Bible as Jesus intended.

What does such a church do? It teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is about Overcoming Evil with Love (posted by Sherry).

Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. – 1 Corinthians 13:7

First, we overcome evil by patience, which “beareth all things.” Let the injury be inflicted, we will forgive it, and not be provoked: even seventy times seven will we bear in silence. (continued here)



  1. Interesting post on the subject of peacemaker vs. peacekeeper.

    Reminded me of the often repeated phrase of a policeman when someone becomes argumentative when he or she tries to convince a police officer they did not agree with the reason for being ticketed,

    “You can tell your story to the judge “

    If they refuse to do what the policeman orders,

    “Either do what say or you will be arrested,”

    If arrested and refuse a police command,

    “One way or another you are going to the police station now, so make your choice.”

    So what will the judge decide when he hears their story is only one part of the story.

    In the “meantime”what a person will have to discern from their actions is what he or she will experience before they see a judge.

    Loss of money, loss of time of work or play, worry, anger, pain suffering, confinement, etc.

    As for whether any person is a faith believer or not of any faith, everyone who lives knows they will die in time. Some believe their God will judge them and the result is either a reward or punishment for their decisions or actions in life.

    However, in the “meantime,” whether a peacemaker or a peacekeeper becomes involved in someone’s life, perhaps they should discern and , whatever they plan to do is a wise or foolish decision on their part.

    What’s my Point?

    The problem in the USA is our Government makes the wise pay for the foolish in the form of taxes to pay for the results of people who make foolish choices.

    What this does is allow the foolish, in the “meantime” of their lives, not worry or be overly concerned about the judgement of the choices they make.’

    Both the peacemaker and peacekeepers roles will be a lot simpler if the story got around that people will have to pay themselves when they are judged for their actions. Whether a natural penalty of a disease or a human judgement of having to work in prison to pay for their keep.

    In other words, would people make wiser choices if they witnessed examples of what happens to people that made choices and had to pay for themselves rather than being subsidized by taxpayers, the judgement penalties in their “meantime lives?”

    As for homosexuality choices, if a person would worry or be more concerned about STD, HIV/AIDs in their “ meantime,”

    Cruel or not Christian, or maybe wise or foolish, or maybe a practical and quicker solution to end some of the madness and folly we keep reading and hearing in the news everyday.

    Or another form of “tell it to the Judge.” One way or another…..” Either do or ,……” from both peacemakers and peacekeepers?

    Regards and goodwill blogging .

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  2. First of al thanks for linking to my post. I am honored to be part of this conversation. My heart aches for you in your difficult choice right now, but I totally understand. God wants us to be Vigilant in our pursuit of the truth. The church has been under attack for the past several years and all the tolerance and acceptance is the devil’s tool of the day. His greatest enemy must persevere and remain strong in the face of this latest attack. We have to fight for God’s Word even when it’s not the popular thing to do so. I will keep you in my prayers, Tom.

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  3. With both conviction and love, you have expressed the thoughts in my post. It is a powerful way in which you weave the common thread in all these posts. I am humbled that you included the words from my heart. You are right, and this is the problem in my Tribe–peace KEEPING rather than peace MAKING! Peacekeepers are good in certain nations, but there comes a time when peacemaking is detrimental. Well said Tom!

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  4. What a wonderfully creative approach to your post, Tom! I loved the way you wove these posts together, springboarding from IB’s post. I’m looking forward to digging deeper by following the links to the blogs I haven’t read. Thank you. 🙂

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  5. Thank you for linking to the He Hath Said post, Tom. It made me stop by to read a wonderful, thought-provoking post that you put together. I’m bookmarking these links to read a bit later because I liked the segments you quoted.

    God bless you Brother Tom! amen~

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  6. When the church we attend is led by people determined to ignore the clear meaning of scripture, what is the chance that church is helping its members learn to be disciples of Christ? If a church is not teaching its members to be disciples of Christ, then we cannot contribute to it or support it. We must support a church that strives to function according to the Bible as Jesus intended

    Tom, first thanks so much for the link as always. The work you put into these posts like this just amazes me, as does the way you take a thought and expand and clarify it so much. What you just said there resonated; I wish I had said it! Great post, brother. You are a blessing. </p

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