A TANGLED WEB

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What do we have? Is it a Department of Justice (DOJ), or is it a Department of Injustice? Does the DOJ uncover and reveal the truth, or does it bury lies under webs of deceit?

When the Democrats made their lunatic claims that President Donald Trump had colluded with the Russians to steal the election, they relentless pressured our new Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, to recuse himself from the matter. Then a subordinate, Rod Rosenstein, promptly appointed a special counsel, Robert Mueller, to investigate whether Trump had colluded with the Russians. Yet more and more it seems as if we need to investigate the investigators.

Investigating the Investigators at DOJ and FBI by Sharyl Attkisson

Why do heads seem to be rolling—or at least tilting—at the Department of Justice and FBI?

Eight high ranking Department of Justice and FBI officials have been removed, reassigned or are rumored to be leaving. They include the top FBI agents who worked on two of the agency’s most high-profile investigations in the past two years: the probe into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information as secretary of state, and the Trump-Russia collusion investigation.

There’s been a great deal of news coverage about allegations of collusion between President Trump and Russia; much of the reporting apparently accurate and some of it not.

Less attention has been given to concurrent investigations that seem to be claiming scalps even if indirectly.

The investigations into the investigators include Congressional inquiries and a multi-faceted probe launched by Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz surrounding the FBI decision not to prosecute Clinton. Specifically, Horowitz—who was appointed by President Obama—said he’s reviewing:

  • Allegations that FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik should have recused themselves.
  • Allegations of improper political contacts by Kadzik.
  • Allegations that Justice Department and FBI employees improperly disclosed non-public information and were influenced by improper considerations in releasing certain documents just before the 2016 election.

Below are some of the players. Their inclusion in this article does not imply any wrongdoing. None of those mentioned are formally accused of any improper activities. Their past or pending job status may not be related to the controversies discussed. To the extent that any have commented, they firmly deny any misconduct and are staunchly defended by supporters and colleagues. (continued here)

To stave off a law suit, Attkisson states the obvious. Most of the people she names in the article have yet to be charged with anything. They may be guilty of nothing other than refusing to step aside from an investigation where their behavior reeks of partisanship. Nevertheless, if their partisanship made them see evidence of guilt when none is there, even that would be a huge problem

Yet what is the typical response we get when we express concerns that the FBI’s investigations into Hillary Clinton and Trump may have been tainted? We get shrill screams damning us for suggesting that the personnel in the FBI may not be loyal Americans. Yet no one has suggested that the rank and file of FBI is corrupt. The primary concern is that the previous administration may have corrupted the leadership.

It is time Congress took over the investigation and asked Robert Mueller to show what he has. Consider.

  • The Obama administration apparently used national intelligence sources to monitor Trump’s team during the transition.
  • Muellar’s team has had months and still has no evidence Trump colluded with the Russians.
  • The stinking evidence we do have strongly suggests Democrats colluded with the Russians and the DOJ to frame Trump.
  • The stinking evidence we do have strongly suggests that for partisan reasons the FBI refused to prosecute Hillary Clinton when it had clear evidence of wrong doing.

If a special prosecutor was ever needed, then it appears Rosenstein appointed one to investigate the wrong people.

It is time for the Republicans in Congress to show some backbone. It is becoming more and more obvious the investigation into Trump’s collusion with the Russians was a frame-up, and the people who set up the frame-up are now ripe for exposure. Seize the moment. If need be, send some of these people jail.

40 thoughts on “A TANGLED WEB

  1. “Trump hired a guy with a top rated security clearance. The notion Trump would have had any reason to believe Flynn was dishonest is absurd. It is just silly to offer this up as some kind of proof of collusion with the Russians.”

    I wonder how long it will take for you to turn on Flynn when he turns state’s evidence on Trump?

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    1. @tsalmon

      Here you are frothing at the mouth. You got the guy guilty and you just waiting public confirmation because the public wants something called evidence. Then you spout this.

      I wonder how long it will take for you to turn on Flynn when he turns state’s evidence on Trump?

      It is not supposed to be about me. It is not supposed to be about you. The cause is justice.

      What is just about siccing a special prosecutor on anybody, especially when the best evidence is a joke and a fraudulent dossier?

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    1. Actually, if you are going bankrupt trying to fend off a rabid team of lawyers with an unlimited budget, ….. Would you have a choice?

      The Democrats and the news media have been blowing smoke for months on end. So whether any of this is true or not remains to be seen. Even if it is, there is no reason to believe Trump knew about it or would have supported it.

      Think about it. What idiot would propose building a bunch of nuclear reactors in the Middle East? With all the petroleum they have, the people in the Middle East need nuclear power? Really?

      This is kind of crap people put in those silly chain emails that got Snopes.com started. If Trump supported a crazy idea like this, the Republican Party would wring his neck, and half the people in his administration would resign in protest.

      If I had your perspective on this issue (Thank God I don’t.), I would be suspicious. It is too good to be true.

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    2. “As Tom has eluded, why would Flynn plead guilty to a lying to the FBI about a crime that no one ever prosecutes and obtain his agreement to fully cooperate unless they have him (and his son perhaps) for bigger crimes?”

      Because he was caught. And lying to the FBI is a felony. And (as Tom also alludes) he probably doesn’t want to go bankrupt fending off a team of politically motivated lawyers.

      It doesn’t make sense unless he can give up someone else. Stay tuned.
      Martha Stewart sure learned to wish she’d pled guilty to lying to the FBI.
      They gave her a similar plea bargain at first.

      Time will tell, as you say.
      Don’t think I’ve ever heard of such high expectations from anyone who only served three and a half weeks total in office.

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      1. Interesting article.
        http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/362948-why-did-flynn-lie-and-why-did-mueller-charge-him-with-lying

        “A witness such as Flynn who has admitted he lied — whether or not to cover up a crime — is a tainted witness who is unlikely to be believed by jurors who know he’s made a deal to protect himself and his son. They will suspect that he is not only “singing for his supper” but that he may be “composing” as well — that is, telling the prosecutor what he wants to hear, even if it is exaggerated or flat-out false. A “bought” witness knows that the “better” his testimony, the sweeter the deal he will get. That’s why prosecutors postpone the sentencing until after the witness has testified, because experience has taught them that you can’t “buy” a witness; you can only “rent “ them for as long as you have the sword of Damocles hanging over them.

        So, despite the banner headlines calling the Flynn guilty plea a “thunderclap,” I think it may be a show of weakness on the part of the special counsel rather than a sign of strength. So far he has had to charge potential witnesses with crimes that bear little or no relationship to any possible crimes committed by current White House incumbents. Mueller would have much preferred to indict Flynn for conspiracy or some other crime directly involving other people, but he apparently lacks the evidence to do so.

        I do not believe he will indict anyone under the Logan Act. If he were to do so, that would be unethical and irresponsible. Nor do I think he will charge President Trump with any crimes growing out of the president’s exercise of his constitutional authority to fire the director of the FBI or to ask him not to prosecute Flynn.”

        I’m pretty sure Dershowitz isn’t a conservative.

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  2. It is irrelevant why Obama fired Flynn. It is relevant why Trump fired Flynn and when. Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because Flynn lied to the FBI. And what did Flynn lie about? His foreign obligations while heading the NSC, including his being on the Russian payroll. But Trump didn’t fire him when he learned this but only later when it was exposed.

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    1. @tsalmon

      What you call whataboutism, I have already referred to as innuendo. You have not offered evidence supporting the accusation. You have only offered “facts” that don’t actually support the accusation, whataboutisms.

      Essentially, what you want to believe has become more important to you than the truth of the matter. So you and your party are trying to bring down a president with nothing more than gossip.
      https://citizentom.com/2017/12/30/why-such-hatred-for-donald-trump/

      Our legal system depends upon the integrity of the people involved. Without such integrity, due process does not matter. When the wrong things matter to much to us, we lose our integrity.

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      1. No Tom, a “whataboutism” is bringing up irrelevancies to the issue at hand to distract and dissemble:

        Statement – “Increasing evidence appears to show that the President, Trump, is in Putin’s back pocket.”

        Irrelevancy – Oh ya, what about Benghazi, emails, lock her up.”

        Even if one assumes any semblance of truth to the latter, it has nothing to do with the clear and present danger of the former. It is the childish equivalent of saying “I know you are but what am I”, but it is Trump’s main go-to mode and you parrot his talking points like his sycophants on Faux News and talk radio.

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        1. Darn! I forgot. In our political system we only send Republicans to jail. When Democrats break the law, that is just a “whataboutism”.

          Frankly, I think you are being absurd. You have had ample opportunity to put up all the facts you want. What “facts” you have do not relate to the accusation. The supposedly terrible crimes Mueller has brought have nothing to do with Trump. Meanwhile, we know for a fact the candidate you voted for was up to no good. There is evidence the Democratic Party paid for the Trump/Russian dossier, and you don’t even see that as a problem.

          All you will do is repeat gossip about Trump’s supposed sins and refuse to talk about anything else. That is sad. Why don’t you just admit you voted for the wrong person? Elvis Presley, even his corpse, would have made a better president than Hillary Clinton. Next time do a write-in vote for him.

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    2. “Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because Flynn lied to the FBI. And what did Flynn lie about? His foreign obligations while heading the NSC, including his being on the Russian payroll. But Trump didn’t fire him when he learned this but only later when it was exposed.”

      Flynn was head of the NSC for a total of 24 days. You’re asserting that in those 24 days, you know for certain Trump knew. The DIA didn’t know, but Trump knew.

      I’m not actually certain this was illegal since i knew quite a few prior military with international business connections now. But maybe it’s different after one makes O7. Another good reason to never make O7.

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      1. There’s also the (highly likely) possibility that Trump didn’t know it was illegal for someone over O7 to have any international business connections. I mean, I didn’t know that and my husband has an O7 job. What are the odds a celebrity with his own show and board game (and a lifetime of making international business connections) would know that off hand?

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        1. @anon

          Notwithstanding the illegality of being an unregistered foriegn agent while he was a private citizen and promoting Trump on the campaign, don’t you think that there might be several laws being broken when Flynn was a paid lobbyist for foreign interests when he was the head of the NSC and able to directly influence US foreign relations with regard to the countries and foriegn interests he was being paid by? Don’t you think that is the definition of a quid pro quo corruption case? Trump seems to have known that His NSC Head was thusly compromised for at least a week before it became public and he fired him, but even assuming Trump didn’t know, when does a Commander in Chief become accountable for his poor hiring choices for such top positions. Talk about “drain the swamp”! Trump is flooding it and filling it with lots more reptiles.

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          1. And this is what have a special prosecutor for?

            Trump hired a guy with a top rated security clearance. The notion Trump would have had any reason to believe Flynn was dishonest is absurd. It is just silly to offer this up as some kind of proof of collusion with the Russians.

            What Trump appears to be doing is trying to find folks with the competence and the experience he needs who will put the people’s interests ahead of their own. He also needs team players, and lots of folks with a “cause” tend to be ideological purists. Some will not sacrifice their ideological purity for the sake of getting most of what they want. Given Trump’s lack of experience in the government realm and the sheer difficulty finding highly qualified people, he is only keeping about 2/3 of his new hires. Could be much worst.

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        2. “Notwithstanding the illegality of being an unregistered foriegn agent while he was a private citizen and promoting Trump on the campaign,”

          I’m about as certain as can be that it is NOT illegal for a private citizen to have an operational international business while promoting a candidacy. I suspect this (in large part, but I also looked it up just now to be sure) because most large US corporations are international (which means they ipso facto deal with foreign governments)…and they support political candidates.

          “don’t you think that there might be several laws being broken when Flynn was a paid lobbyist for foreign interests when he was the head of the NSC and able to directly influence US foreign relations with regard to the countries and foriegn interests he was being paid by?”

          Yes, it is against the law for a public official to receive such funds.
          Which is why (unless you have information I’m not aware of) Flynn severed his business ties on or before Trump’s inauguration, January 20th, which would be the day he became the NSA.

          “even assuming Trump didn’t know, when does a Commander in Chief become accountable for his poor hiring choices for such top positions.”

          He fired Flynn. What else would “accountability” mean?

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  3. “Why did Obama fire him? Details. Details.
    Obama fired lots of generals, not just Flynn. Those fired included Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis. He is seems to be doing an excellent job.”

    Another irrelevant whataboutism.

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    1. The reason for the firing is definitely relevant.
      He didn’t resign in disgrace over covert activities.
      Now, If that were the case, it would be relevant.
      I’ve read it was over his position in Syria (Flynn’s opinion differed from Obama’s).
      And THAT is a complete irrelevancy, as offering his perspective on the matter was his actual job.

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      1. Just looked it up and this what I could find: “Obama and his staff felt Flynn was problematic and prone to what they thought of as crazy ideas, and had fired him from his job as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Obama relayed that to Trump during the 90 minutes they spent together.”

        Problematic and prone to crazy ideas. Obama isn’t accusing him of criminality or covert activity. It could be from Trump’s perspective, “crazy ideas” (from Obama’s perspective), might have some merit. Ideas Obama thought were good certainly sound crazy to a lot of people. (and Flynn was right about the Syrian resistance)

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    2. In literal fact, all your arguments really boil down to irrelevant whataboutisms. Stick to the only relevant issues here:

      1. What did the Russians actually do to influence our elections?
      2. Was Trump and/or his campaign involved?
      3. Is Trump, or any of his family and close associates, under financial or personal obligation to Russia (essentially Putin).

      The existential threat to this country is not ISIS. It is not collectivism. It is not “the deep state”, whatever that is. It is the globalized corruption that is best manifested in Putinism. It is a corruption that seeks to delegitimize and destroy democratic institutions such as a free press, a professional merit based military and civil service bureaucracy, and the rule of law, all of which Trump is actively doing. If Trump is not actually in thrall to Putin, then he is doing everything Putin would wish him to do anyway.

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  4. Someone really needs to blow the lid off this and I think it’s inevitable that the FBI will be the ones with egg on their face for allowing themselves to be fooled by the obviously fake Steele dossier.

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  5. I hear you, Tom! It’s easy to get bogged down in all of this stuff sometimes. I’m just over here whistling to myself, “swamp draining is kind of fun!” What can I say, I dislike injustice and corruption, so watching it all kind of fall apart just makes my heart sing. 🙂

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  6. These are facts not in dispute:

    1. Trump was trying to get permission from Putin to build one of his towers in Moscow during the campaign while he was lying to everyone that he had no business in Russia.

    2. Paul Manafor, both before and during the campaign while he was chairman, was an illegally undeclared foreign agent who indirectly worked for Putin by proping up his favored kleptocrat in the Ukraine and while he was on the payroll of a Putin controlled oligarch.

    3. During Manafort’s time as Trump Campaign, the Republican Party platform was mysteriously changed to favor Russia’s land grab in Ukraine.

    4. During the campaign, Trumps son and son-in-Law, as well as Manafort, met knowingly with Russian operatives for the purpose of getting illegally obtained dirt on Clinton.

    5. Gen. Flynn, during the campaign and as Trump’s National Security Advisor, was an illegally undeclared foreign agent for both Russia and Turkey. He has pled guilty to one felony and is cooperating with the FBI.

    I could go on an on as the known evidence that Trump, his business interests, his family, and his campaign were and continue to be in thrall to Putin just keeps piling up, but facts don’t seem to matter, do they?

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    1. @tsalmon

      1. Where is this tower? So somebody made a proposal that never went anywhere.
      2. Trump got rid of the guy for reasons unrelated to Russia. The charges against him have nothing to do with Trump. If Manafort had never associated with Trump, nothing would have have happened to him. How often is this law enforced?
      3. Obama opposed Russia’s land grab in Ukraine? Really? Why wasn’t this a scandal demanding a special prosecutor?
      https://www.snopes.com/obama-more-flexibility-russia/

      Like as not we will be giving anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainians, but these people don’t fight like the Kurds. So not sure how that will work out. As it is, I don’t know how our policy towards Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and so forth could get any weaker than it was during the Obama administration.
      4. So? It looks like the same people who fabricated the Trump-Russia dossier sent this lady to make it look like the Trump team was colluding with the Russians. The real crime is fabricating false evidence and siccing our intelligence agencies on a political opponent.
      5. Flynn was an Obama appointee. The charges against him have nothing to do with Trump. Trump got rid of him too.

      Presidents will sometimes hire people who don’t have the character required to properly execute their responsibilities. Problems arise when those people misbehave and don’t get fired. Look again at this post.

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      1. “As it is, I don’t know how our policy towards Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and so forth could get any weaker than it was during the Obama administration”

        Agreed. There was a recent prisoner exchange between Russia and the Ukraine in response to the Trump administration’s agreement to provide weapons to the Ukraine. Which is a reversal of Obama’s policy. Strange for a Russian shill.

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      2. Tom,

        Yes, I’ve heard the propaganda, but you have not disputed any of the actual facts, and these are just a few of a long list. There is an old saw in the law: if you can argue the law, you argue the law; if you can argue the facts, you argue the facts, but if you neither have the law nor the facts on your side, pound the table and yell like Hell.

        People have already confessed to crimes, and have been charged on evidence with crimes. Much is already out there and more is coming, and Trump knows it. Trump’s plan is to try to impugn the character of the FBI, the Special Counsel, and his own appointees, and then create grand deep state conspiracies. If that doesn’t work then he’ll pound the table and yell whataboutisms. But facts are still facts and the law is still the law. That is if we are to remain a country of laws, not men.

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        1. @tsalmon

          If the “facts” are unrelated to the accusation, why do they need to be proven untrue? They are not even relevant to Trump.

          All you have is Muellar team charging people with “crimes” nobody else would have prosecuted and wasting millions. Meanwhile, you are just plain ignoring things you know the Obama administration and H. Clinton did that clearly need to be investigated.

          Is Trump’s plan to impugn the character of the FBI, the Special Counsel, and his own appointees? No. Has not done that. The FBI leadership, the Democrats, and the Special Counsel are their own worst enemies. Thus far Trump has not had to do anything except watch their schemes implode upon themselves.

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        2. “Flynn was an Obama appointee. The charges against him have nothing to do with Trump. Trump got rid of him too.”

          This is one of my favorite dissemblings. Obama fired Flynn and reportedly warned Trump not to hire him. Trump only fired him when he was exposed, and Trump’s own words create a the timeline that he knew everything Flynn has done and only fired him later when it all came out. Learn the facts Tom.

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          1. Why did Obama fire him? Details. Details.

            Obama fired lots of generals, not just Flynn. Those fired included Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis. He is seems to be doing an excellent job.

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    2. I could go on an on as the known evidence that Trump, his business interests, his family, and his campaign were and continue to be in thrall to Putin just keeps piling up, but facts don’t seem to matter, do they?

      This is such a smug remark and a bit disappointing. You know the difference between innuendo and actual evidence of a crime. Shame on you.

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      1. I think you need to look up the difference between innuendo and circumstantial evidence. One can be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone if there is enough.

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        1. @tsalmon

          Here are some plain, ordinary, facts.

          The Trump-Russian dossier has no factual support. Reports in the news media suggest that that dossier was used as an excuse to monitor/unmask Trump’s associates for surveillance. It appears the Russians supported this effort, and the Democrats paid for it.

          The only election that was stolen was the Democratic Party’s Presidential Primary. Bernie lost because the fix was in for Hillary.

          The hacking into the Democratic Party’s computers is a scandal all by itself. Supposedly, the Russians did it, but the Democrats never let the FBI look at those computers. Fact is we don’t know how Wikileaks got its info. What we have is pure speculation.

          The amount of money the Russians spent trying to influence our election was trivial.

          Hillary Clinton and her associates were running around with classified on their personal computers. No excuse.

          The Clinton Foundation looks for all the world like a money laundering scheme for bribes.

          Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who used to be known for her Democratic National Committee leadership but who is now widely recognized as the lady who shielded Pakistani-born Imran Awan while he was being investigated and arrested for scandals tied to his cushy House IT job, needs to herself face scrutiny.

          As a party, Democrats don’t have any respect for the oath they have taken to support the Constitution. They spend our money to buy votes. How dishonest is that?

          Would you like to talk about any of those facts?

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  7. Amen @scatterwisdom. I don’t know why those of us who love our Lord and His Word seem to be in agreement in these matters. At least all of my conservative family members and conservative bloggers I follow!

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  8. I am not surprised at these disclosures. It is another repeat of what Solomon observed about the former leaders in the DOJ. .

    4. Discriminating in the choice of helpers

    “Take away the dross from the silver and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer. Take away the wicked from before the king and his throne shall be established in righteousness.” Proverbs 25:4-5

    Before making a silver vessel, you must remove the impurities from the silver ore. If a king surrounds himself with wicked people, his throne will not be established in righteousness. If a leader isn’t discriminating enough to choose the right people to accompany him and godly people to lead alongside him by, he is unfit to lead. A leader is known by his inner circle. Who were his mentors? Who are his heroes? Who are his friends?

    Source

    https://www.lightsource.com/ministry/love-worth-finding/articles/the-leadership-crisis-in-america-part-1-14581.html

    In Other Words

    We all need to pray for Jeff Sessions. He has taken over a Department ( silver ore) loaded with eight years of “accumulated dross,” in my opinion.

    Over time and a lot of “polishing” (removing dross), the DOJ might shine again.

    Or in your comparison of a spider web, Jeff needs to be a good spider exterminator instead of a good silversmith. ..
    ,
    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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  9. why does J Edger come to mind…
    last I checked—not all do good agents, do good….humans work in these highly esteemed agencies…ie CIA, FBI…and not all have the best interest of all involved…as with human beings—there are the righteous and there are the dubious and then there are the misguided who think their actions are “saving” when in actuality they are more self serving…
    I say dump all this waste of tax payer money and governmental time—turn the sights on Hilary and her shenanigans and be done with it!

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