WOMEN DON’T LIE?

Guercino, Joseph and Potiphar’s Wife, 1649 (from here)

There is an open Senate seat in Alabama, and the “race” has become a close one, Poll: Alabama senate race neck and neck between Roy Moore and Doug Jones. As usual, the news media is covering it like a sporting event. The issues they don’t discuss much. Instead, the national papers have enthusiastically published allegations of sexual harassment against a candidate they most heartily hate.

Should the people of Alabama vote for Roy Moore? Well, Moore has been a prominent politician in Alabama for a long time. Whether he has done a good job is something the folks in Alabama should be able to judge. Myself? I am speaking up because I detest the idea of Liberal Democrats gaining another seat in the Senate. That I know would be disastrous for our country. Republicans, weak-kneed as they are, already have too small a majority in the Senate. The loss of another seat would further stall the legislation needed to reverse the damage Obama and the Democrats have done.

What do the decades-old charges of sexual harassment against Roy Moore hinge upon? It is the belief that women don’t lie about these things, that we can just assume they are telling the truth. As the Bible explains, that’s not true.

Genesis 39:6-18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Now Joseph was handsome in form and appearance. It came about after these events that his master’s wife looked with desire at Joseph, and she said, “Lie with me.” But he refused and said to his master’s wife, “Behold, with me here, my master does not concern himself with anything in the house, and he has put all that he owns in my charge. 9 There is no one greater in this house than I, and he has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do this great evil and sin against God?” 10 As she spoke to Joseph day after day, he did not listen to her to lie beside her or be with her. 11 Now it happened one day that he went into the house to do his work, and none of the men of the household was there inside. 12 She caught him by his garment, saying, “Lie with me!” And he left his garment in her hand and fled, and went outside. 13 When she saw that he had left his garment in her hand and had fled outside, 14 she called to the men of her household and said to them, “See, he has brought in a Hebrew to us to make sport of us; he came in to me to lie with me, and I screamed. 15 When he heard that I raised my voice and screamed, he left his garment beside me and fled and went outside.” 16 So she left his garment beside her until his master came home. 17 Then she spoke to him with these words, “The Hebrew slave, whom you brought to us, came in to me to make sport of me; 18 and as I raised my voice and screamed, he left his garment beside me and fled outside.”

Whether the women who have spoken out against Roy Moore have spoken the truth I don’t know. I just think the timing of their complaints is far too convenient and that some people too much enjoy the favorable publicity the news media is determined to provide. Therefore, I suggest the good citizens of Alabama look at the candidates themselves. What is their record? Where do they stand on the issues? Can they be depended upon to do the right thing for Alabama and our country?

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  1. “Just curious. Have you finally decided Hell is real?”

    I don’t pretend to understand either Heaven of Hell. As I have said before, I accept their possibilities more on faith than on any real understanding. Because I don’t fathom them, neither their reward nor their punishment can guide my actions because if it did so, I feel that it would be creating a false idol out of some imaginary golden calf that I desire or fear rather than hoping only to do what God wants me to do because it is God’s will and that alone, not reward or punishment makes it the right thing to do.

    From our previous discussions, I think that you imagine Hell as an excuse to hate and condemn because you believe Hell is a manifestation of God’s hatred and condemnation. Perhaps, but I find this counterintuitive to the transcending messages of Jesus – love, mercy, compassion.

    It is interesting that the only instances of Jesus appearing to be condemning are in the face of the hypocrisy where someone is confusing the letter of the law (in order to hate and condemn) with the spirit of the law (to love and show compassion and mercy).

    Even the sheep and goats metaphor only condemns those who fail to show love, not those who fail to self righteously and smugly condemn. Think about that next time you wish to judge other sinners.

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    1. @tsalmon

      I think you have something confused. When we say bank robbery is wrong, are we condemning bank robbers to Hell? I don’t think so.

      The Bible speaks of Heaven and Hell for the same reason we promised our children rewards when they did good and punishments when they did bad.

      Jesus told us to love God above all and each other as we love ourselves. Instead of doing that, we too often worship idols. In our day, idol worship primarily takes four basic forms, the worship of sex, stuff, state, and self.

      Sex: Fornication, regardless of the form it takes, is wrong. It creates problems. Even when fornication is between two people of the opposite sex, it can lead to an unwanted pregnancy, providing an excuse for killing a child. Since you are almost a senior citizen, do I really have to explain the problems with fornication? How much smarts does it take to understand that LGBTQ perversions are just about fornication, not love?

      What is the reason for the government to involve itself in LGBTQ perversions? Do our politicians have the wisdom to make what is perverse good? No, but some of them will call what is evil good and what is good evil. Therefore, we have reached the point where our government voices its approval of LGBTQ perversions and insists that the taxpayers and insurance companies MUST pay for abortions.

      Stuff: This is basically about the love of money. Money is not bad, but the love of it is bad. For example, when we start envying what others have, we give ourselves an excuse to hate.

      State: What idol worship involves is giving our heart to our god in exchange for what our god promises to give us. This exchange is most obvious with respect to the worship of the state. In return for our votes and our political donations, scheming politicians promise us some sort of Utopia. When we lose confidence in our true Lord, we become susceptible to the blandishments of such politicians.

      Self: The term we typically associate with someone who worships himself is narcissism. I supposed that is accurate, but whereas I suspect most of us are guilty of self-worship, I doubt most of us make an obvious display of narcissism. When we worship our self, we put our own desires foremost. We set aside what God wants of us, and we disregard the needs of our neighbors.

      So what is our debate about? When we love God, because we love Him above all else we obey His commands. Since the Bible says certain behaviors are wrong, we cannot approve of those behaviors and still be obedient to God.

      When we love our neighbor, that love manifests itself as a personal act. We give of ourselves. We don’t empower politicians to rob the “rich”.

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  2. Tom,

    Way too much worry (by all sides) about sex and not enough worry about what is violent and abusive behavior. Way too much condemnation of harmless sexual peculiarity and not enough compassion and mercy for a fellow sinner. Jesus didn’t judge the promiscuous whore near as harshly as He will judge those who will not help the least of these. “The least of these” are not the innocent. We are all sinners. “The least of these” are those who most need mercy and the goats Jesus will consign to the fire are those who offer them instead only smug condemnation rather than God’s unconditional love. Let us be loving sheep, not condemning goats.

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    1. @tsalmon

      This is coming someone who votes for Democrats? Do you know what a double standard is?

      Try to talk about issues? Democrats attack candidates like Trump and Moore personally.

      Try to apply Christian beliefs to politics? Democrats tell us to keep religion out of the public square. Of course they don’t have to keep their religious beliefs out of the public square.

      Jesus didn’t judge the promiscuous whore near as harshly as He will judge those who will not help the least of these. “The least of these” are not the innocent. We are all sinners. “The least of these” are those who most need mercy and the goats Jesus will consign to the fire are those who offer them instead only smug condemnation rather than God’s unconditional love. Let us be loving sheep, not condemning goats.

      Using the government to steal money from some people so we can give money to other people is not going to keep anyone out of Hell fire. We will, however, tempt voters to vote for the candidates who offer them the most money from the Federal treasury.

      Just curious. Have you finally decided Hell is real?

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      1. What do all your straw men have to do with your constant condemnation of someone else’s consensual sexual proclivities? The ridiculously rich must not be deprived of their choice to refuse to support the community and institutions that enabled their wealth, but let someone not follow your strict sexual mores and they are to be judged, ridiculed and condemned without compassion or even understanding?

        Democracy is thoughtful spiritualism in dynamic action. It is an endless active moral quest to provide human dignity to every man and woman.

        You are fighting the last war brother. Look around you and wake up. The greatest existential threat to democracy here and around the world today is not involuntary overtaxation designed to enhance equal human opportunity and dignity. The worst threat to democracy here and around the world is a rising authoritarianism, an authoritarianism that ascends only with the corruption and destruction of the necessary institutions of modern democracy. And what virus does this new authoritarianism spread to infect and kill our most fragile and important democratic institutions? They simply foment division through tribal hatred and fear so that we spread the disease ourselves.

        Look at the way you responded to my simple appeal to treat other sinners with the compassion of Christ? The only way that you don’t have to listen with sensitivity and respond with your heart is if you prop me up as your imagined straw man enemy.

        I am not your real enemy and neither is the loyal opposition that you wish to demonize. Right now, if we succumb to this tribal hatred and fear then we become our own worst enemies. Rather than spirituality in systemic action that is at the beating heart of real democracy we will fall into one smaller circle of material grievance after another, until the pluralistic and democratic heart dissolves into corruption and hatred.

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        1. @tsalmon

          If the LGBTQABCDE…. crowd wants to engage in insane sexual activities, I am not especially concerned. So long as they are not harming children or anyone besides each other, I just pity them. Do you go running around asking people their sexual preferences? I don’t either. Nevertheless, I don’t want LGBTQABCDE…. vulgarities shoved in the faces of my family. I don’t want to pay for the stupidities involve with self destructive behavior. I don’t want to be force to tacitly approve of self destructive behavior. I don’t want my freedom to call foolish behavior foolish abridged. So why did I bring that up here? Read => https://citizentom.com/2017/12/02/women-dont-lie/#comment-77313.

          You insisted that I am a hypocrite because I voted for Trump and would vote for Moore, and their supposedly bad behavior is so morally reprehensible. Yet we have a long list of things that Democrats support that are far worse.

          The ridiculously rich must not be deprived of their choice to refuse to support the community and institutions that enabled their wealth, but let someone not follow your strict sexual mores and they are to be judged, ridiculed and condemned without compassion or even understanding?

          Democrats tax the rich? Bullshit! The rich earn their increasing wealth in capital gains, not wages.

          The Federal income tax system does not tax the rich; it pits the poor and the rich against ordinary workers and high achievers. The Federal income tax system is a con game that uses our own envy to trick us. The Federal income tax system is not helping anyone. It is about giving politicians more of our money to spend. See => http://thebullelephant.com/april-fool.

          When you advocate redistributing the wealth, you advocate violating both the seventh and the tenth commandments.

          Democracy is thoughtful spiritualism in dynamic action. It is an endless active moral quest to provide human dignity to every man and woman.

          So when we leave the polls after voting for a Democrat we can smugly assert just how spiritual we are?

          You vote for politicians who have no respect for the Constitution — who hardly bother to hide the fact — then you proclaim the threat to democracy is rising authoritarianism. Really?

          You run around attack persons instead of discussing issues, and then you complain about tribalism? What is my sin? I disagree with you. I don’t want politicians I did not vote for try to “perfect” my family, my friends, my neighbors, or me. Instead of trying make me “good” — a perfect fit for some version of Utopia — I just want our government to protect us from each other. When none of us can be trusted with great power — when the worst threat to democracy here and around the world is a rising authoritarianism — why would you want to give politicians so much power? I sure don’t.

          Are you my enemy? Yes. To some degree we are all each others enemies. Consider.

          Matthew 16:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
          Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection

          21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

          22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

          23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

          To some degree we all tempt each other to sin. Peter loved Jesus, but Peter was still a man. Men are not especially wise. Yet when Jesus told Peter that He was fated to suffer, die, and rise the third day after his death, that appalled Peter. Therefore, even though Peter had just told Jesus that he believe Him to be the Christ, the Son of the living God, he still rebuked Him. Are you or I any wiser than Peter? Not likely. Nevertheless, you are all set to give the politicians you like all kinds of power. With respect to our health, our education, our welfare programs, our finances, our infrastructure, and so forth. You really cannot fix a limit on what you would not let a man like Obama take charge of.

          What you advocate is giving the government the power to run our lives and create a Utopia. What is fundamentally wrong with that? To function successfully as a republic (democracies don’t work well enough to bother with), the People must impose their own moral character upon the government. Why? If the leadership imposes its own moral character on the People, the leadership, because the desire for power corrupts, will soon corrupt the People in order to retain power.

          What is the only way a people can succeed in creating and maintaining a republic. The People must be humble. We must recognize that only God is God. Man, even the sum total of mankind, is too small, feeble, fallible to be very wise. It more than we can do to be good. The best we can do is to strive to become good.

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  3. @anon

    Sorry. Not familiar with that case.

    I too worry, however, that the unrealistic hunt for an asexual world may go too far, and may inspire a backlash that will harm progress on real issues of sexual harassment and sexual assault. I don’t have any answers though.

    Perhaps I’m just lucky to have always been terrified of my wife (for 37 years now) so that I can’t even imagine any of the behavior that is being alledged and exposed daily lately. Perhaps I’m just naive, or too old school about this stuff but, as a father of a daughter, I know what would make me want to smash someone’s head over.

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    1. Congrats on 37 years!
      We’re taking a trip out tomorrow to Hawaii to celebrate our Silver anniversary (25).

      As a side note, are you familiar with Neptunus Lex?
      I really liked that blog (RIP, Lex).
      He was a Naval aviator.
      At any rate, here is a link:
      https://thelexicans.wordpress.com
      (I received a few personal e mails from him. He seemed to appreciate my wit for some reason) 🙂

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    2. We have school board members who think the fact that a guy claims to be a gal entitles him to use the gals restroom. Moreover, it seem to be okay with the geniuses rationalizing such policies if the sexually confuse change their preferred sex based upon whatever sex they prefer on a particular day. Still, school teachers will get in trouble if they don’t address sexually fickle students with their preferred pronoun.

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    1. I can only imagine how outraged you were when Clinton was president and exploiting his own intern in the White house (with scores of sexual assault claims against him and a known documented policy of philandering and sexual exploitation).

      Per Roy Moore, ah well. The long game looks far more interesting now that it’s apparent all one needs is allegations (even if unproven, even if decades old). One doesn’t have to be Sun Tzu to note that’s a massive leverage of power that will be exploited (better leverage that asap, because soon there will be so much crying wolf no one will care).

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      1. @anon

        Actually, back then, Tom and I were on the same side of the Bill Clinton argument. I voted for President George H.W. Bush – I still think he was one of the greatest statesman Presidents we ever had.

        Prior to when a boat called “Risky Business” became a household name, mere sexual dalliances by politicians were considered off limits to the press. Now it’s the partisan red meat of opposition research teams.

        I was just disgusted by Clinton’s adulterous behaviors, but thought Clinton’s lying under oath was disqualifying for someone who was supposed to enforce the rule of law.

        In order to play the long game, you have to know the history you are living in and remain consistent to your principles.

        For most of my military life I was a Cold Warrior. USSR was the existential threat to our constitutional democracy. The existential threat today is the corruption and destruction of our democratic institutions from within and from without. From without, that threat manifests in Putinism. From within, it is represented by hate spewing demagogues like Roy Moore self-serving greed inspired kleptocrats like Trump. America won a small battle yesterday in Alabama, but the long war to preserve institutional democracy goes on.

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        1. Respect, Tsalmon. If the above is true you are a man of your principles.
          And I think the same of Bush senior. I think he is the most under rated president of all time. A truly GREAT man.

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        2. @tsalmon

          If you think the greater threat comes from the likes of Moore and Trump, it is because you still believe the mass media.

          It seems you still have not figure out the problem. People lie. If you want to know the truth, then you have to trust, but verify. Some, like CNN and The Washington Post, we should not trust at all. Their track record reeks of deception.

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    2. A question, Tsalmon (it’s related to the topic and i don’t know when this will come up again). Since you were a JAG (I think?) are you familiar with the Lt Colonel Wilkerson case or the Tech. Sgt. Jennifer Smith case that led to the leadership firings at Shaw AFB?

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        1. Ah, Okay. Thanks for the response. For some reason I thought you were USAF.
          I asked because I’m familiar with a lot of the people involved in both of those cases. What made headline news was not the truth, and it’s hard to not be jaded (about unsubstantiated claims) after my familiarity with both of those cases (as well as many others since).

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