THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A REBLOG

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I never have been a great fan of the WordPress reblog function. Mostly, I just don’t like the fact that it does not allow me to correct my numerous mistakes, but there is also the fact the darn thing is cranky.

Anyway, here is what I wanted to reblog, up, down or through by Julie (aka Cookie).

I saw Julie (aka Cookie)’s post right after I had responded to the following comment.

sklyjd
November 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm

Atheism has nothing to do with feelings, you have no idea what atheism is about, and it is you who should read the definitions properly. It is “disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of any gods.” Yes, you are correct, militant atheists do have a rock-solid certainty, not unlike militant theists such as yourself.

How can theists prove a god exists? Atheists cannot find evidence that something does not exist outside of the real world because there is nothing to find. You can point out whatever you like, but atheists will not claim they do not know whether God exists and because they are atheists, they know he does not exist just as theists claim they know he does exist.

The facts are not made up it is about reality of everyday life on planet Earth and not faith based superstitions, fictitious events and a super being. (from https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2017/11/23/thankful-god-is-not-al-capone/comment-page-1/#comment-56371)

Here is my reply.

Citizen Tom
November 27, 2017 at 4:55 am

I have no idea what Atheism is about? Do you mean I cannot use a dictionary, or I cannot share your feelings? The dictionary definition of “Atheism” is simple, but I must admit I cannot read your mind. I can, however, suggest that you begin your arguments by looking up the definition of words before you use them. In addition to “Atheism”, please up look up “superstition”.

How can a theist prove God exists? When Jesus died and rose from the dead, that convinced lots of people that He is God. But what about those folks who don’t claim to be Christians? Peter Kreeft is a Christian philosopher. Check out => http://www.peterkreeft.com/featured-writing.htm. Kreeft has compiled various philosophical arguments for God’s existence. It is not like there is a shortage of them, and Kreeft’s is not the only website that posts such proofs.

Our modern university system had its beginnings in the schools the Catholic Church established to instruct theologians. Since we all have our doubts (We build up our faith over time each time we successfully rely upon that which we believe.), serious theists and those a philosophical bent have given considerable thought as to the existence of God and His nature.

Is belief in God a superstition? No. Belief in God is based upon logic and reason. As Peter Kreeft’s list of proofs demonstrates, theists have put considerable thought into whether God exists. With God’s help, Christians have better proof. The Bible provides a historical record of what God has done to redeem our souls. That record has withstood careful scrutiny — the test of time — for thousands of years. We know for a fact that hundreds saw the resurrected Jesus Christ, and we know that millions have died rather than deny their belief in Jesus.

So why don’t you believe in God? I guess there are two reasons: ignorance and pride. Ignorance takes work to cure. So start reading. Pride is more difficult. What it comes down to is that you probably don’t want to believe in God. In other words, you find the existence of God an offense to your feelings. Instead of being about you, if God exists you have to admit your life has to be about Him. No one finds humility easy, but it is foolish to deny God exists.

Look around. The universe is about you? You made it? The universe is seemingly infinite in size, and it is orderly enough that we can model and often accurately and rigorously predict its processes with math (That’s how we explode H-bombs and send spacecraft to Mars.). So the notion the the universe just happened is absurd, and that is what the Bible says.

Psalm 19:1-6 New King James Version (NKJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
2 Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.

In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
6 Its rising is from one end of heaven,
And its circuit to the other end;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
(from https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2017/11/23/thankful-god-is-not-al-capone/comment-page-1/#comment-56375)

What makes believing in God so difficult? He wants us to love Him as He loves, without holding anything back.

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    1. For the most part I just bother with Atheists when they comment on Christian blogs. I figure I have enough trouble trying to relate Christianity to politics. I don’t need to challenge Atheists on their own blogs. Most of them will just spam your comment, anyway.

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  1. Like Vapor Sage—I also often wonder why you bother—but it is perhaps not a role per se, but more rather a ministry of sorts—it is your ministry Tom to instruct those who cannot yet see….
    and you do so with knowledge and wisdom, patience and diligence—

    I for one commend you….and also, thank you…as well as thank you for the “reblog”

    There are a great many mysteries in this world and universe of ours that we, that we being man…oh let me do be societal and correct— man, woman and whatever the flavor of the day may be….that we simply do not understand, cannot understand as there is no logical or sound man contrived rationale or explanation….and when we can stop being the center of our own universe long enough to see such…then we put our ego and pride and even arrogance and in that ignorance aside, to “see” that we do not know it all nor can we explain it—at all…

    There is more, so much more…so much that is far greater and far better than us.
    As Lincoln said, I don’t much blame anyone who “looks down” upon this earth of ours, that which is of man, and claim that “there is no God”—-because we have made quite a mess of things….
    But who is it that cannot look up and be in wonderment and awe….. is, well, beyond my thinking…..

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    1. As I suggested to Vapor Sage, in this respect I have not much of a hero. You know many others who much more regularly debate with Atheists.

      Note that I linked to your blog because it amplified what I said and added quite a bit of oomph.

      That quote from Lincoln is a prize. Nothing fancy. Simple, but jaw-dropping all the same.

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        1. Lincoln would, I think, have been quite pleased to have someone who liked him described him as simple (not a bad choice of words). He would left it for others (who did not like him) to discover he was not a simpleton.

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        2. Exactly Tom…Lincoln was a simple man, but far from a simpleton—a gapping difference—and in simplicity comes humbleness—I believe he was also a humble man. Granted he lead during a crazy time and he was no naive individual and often had to make the hard and difficult calls—calls a man at the top knows he is the only man who can—much like Truman–as in the buck stop and is only very lonely—
          And not that these were my “favorite” presidents—oddly those are Adams (daddy adams), Jackson and Reagan….odd mix, but each man possessed qualities I find necessary in good and decent leadership in a pivotal world…..

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  2. Yes, there are several philosophical arguments that provide enough proofs for the existence of God. Most Atheist, including Richard Dawkins, simply do not understand many of them with their weak background in philosophy. I’d admit that my own understanding is one of a novice, but I do know that basic knowledge of Aristotelian logic is needed to be understood to fully grapple Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological argument. Most will attempt to use the domino analogy as an example of Aquinas’ argument against an infinite regress; however, this is the first clue to knowing they fail to understand it. A more proper analogy would be the essential gear in a series of gears–this is what is meant when Aquinas argues that God is existence–not an old man in the sky. In the words of Thomistic philosopher Edward Feser , “Richard Dawkins wouldn’t know the difference between metaphysics and Metamucil.”

    Of course, there’s also the moral argument, although some will attempt to assert that morality is a function of survival, but as rational creatures, once understood to be such, to be moral would actually be foolish without a Divine Being–even if that was the case! The only state of being that would exist is the state of nature, in which Darwin’s survival of the fittest would be the only rule in chaos.

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    1. It would be stretching matters to say I well understand Aristotelian logic (makes my head hurt). Thus, Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological argument leaves me a bit puzzled. I understand why God would be the first cause, but I am baffled as to why a first cause is needed. The argument from contingency helps explain that, I think, as does your observation the first cause is the cause upon which all the others depend.

      The moral argument is the one that Atheists use to try to castigate God. Using the standards that God made, they express their anger that God made a universe that is not good enough. Therefore, God must not exist, and these silly people cannot see the irony of such a statement. It is that sort of argument I find more easy to understand. The easiest. I look at Creation, I wonder how it could be it someone not made it. Order is not accidental.

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    2. and might I add the line that “Dawkins wouldn’t know the difference between metaphysics and Metamucil” made me almost spit my tea out—as in I laughed out loud. And a little fun fact, Karol Wojtyla earned his first degree in philosophy with a concentration in metaphysics.

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