Here is what immigration is suppose to look like.

A group called the Latino Victory Fund (see Latino Victory Fund: ‘American Nightmare’ | Campaign 2017) issued the ad above. After the terrorist attack in New York by an Islamic terrorist driving a truck, the Latino Victory Fund pulled the ad (see Political attack ad showing kids running from Republican pickup truck driver is pulled after New York terror attack). At this point, especially because Ralph Northam never denounced the ad, it had become a complete disaster.

What is the problem here? Why have Democrats gone so completely over the top? Why do they:

  • Make promises they cannot keep?
  • Engage in unrelenting name calling?
  • Spend our money with reckless abandon?
  • Give voting rights to ex-convicts and non-citizens?
  • Open our borders to everyone, even our enemies?
  • Legalize anything they think might bring more money into the public treasury, like gambling and drugs?
  • Operate our public schools for the sake of labor unions, not the children they claim to want to help?
  • Keep descending further into the gutter, actually promoting homosexuality, same-sex marriage, transgendering, and “recreational” sex in general? Does anyone think it accidental anymore that the Democratic Party is in lockstep with the mass media, which now uses sex and violence to market everything and anything?
  • Force the public to buy health insurance that covers things like abortion and contraceptives, things many of us don’t want and may not even able to use?
  • Use public funds to pay for abortions, transgender drugs and surgery, ….?

Have you ever spent much time with a toddler? It can be very delightful, and it can be quite frustrating, but it is always instructive. Because children lack guile, we can more readily discern their motives. We can see that children love, and we can see how much children want to be loved. That is the delightful part.

What about the frustrating part? Little children can throw the most frightful, unrestrained tantrums. Their piercing screams can blast your hearing. The tears, the crying, and the “I hate you’s” can be quite distressing. Then we can see how much a child has to learn about self control. If we are one of the parents of that child, we can wonder what we have gotten ourselves into. “That’s my child?” That is what I was like?

Look again at that advertisement. That is the fruit of an adult tantrum. As adults, we still have tantrums, but we can make them seem much more sophisticated. We can even be proud of them. Then consider these two Bible passages. In the first we see the source of what drives our tantrums. In the second we learn the solution, the only solution.

James 4:1-3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.

John 15:12-17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17 This I command you, that you love one another.

Imagine the little child who throws a tantrum, and mommy or daddy gives in. Imagine the thrill of power. A moment before that little child felt so small. Now he thinks he is in control of his little world. He does know what he has lost. The wisdom of love is not an easy thing to grasp. It takes a revelation to understand that God loves us, that we have nothing to fear when we love Him. Yet even a little child can appreciate the power they seem to derive from a tantrum.

So when are they going to stop calling us racists, bigots, haters,….? What would Jesus do? What do good parents do for their children? Do they give in, or do they just respond in love and show them with their own example how to behave?


  1. How do you defeat an enemy? By making them your friend and treating them as your neighbor. Biblical principles are sometimes so radical, they don’t make very good political sense – but we’re not called to be citizens of this or any other country, but of heaven. Republicans and Democrats and all the other parties are all cut from the same cloth, making promises they can’t keep is how they get elected and even Republicans have gone back on their word from time to time. They’re also equally gifted as name-callers. Following Jesus sometimes means that you can’t take a red, white, and blue flag with you and champion it’s cause, too. One master is enough.

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    1. None of the men who lead us are perfect. We won’t have such a leader until Jesus rules us, but the United States is founded upon the ideas stated in the Declaration of Independence. Those ideas are derived from the Bible. Because we love each other, we respect the fact that each of us has rights. Therefore, as a Christian, a follower of Christ, I strive to promote responsible politics, and Republicans are definitely behaving more responsibly than Democrats. I wish it were otherwise, but it is not even close.


      1. At the moment, they are – but they’re as changing as the seas and as restless and the wind. The Republican party hasn’t always gotten it right. But it all comes down to interpretation. Because Jesus said “love your neighbor” what does that mean to you? How is the LGBTQ community an enemy? The illegal immigrant who just wants to give their kids a better life, a better education, and hope for freedom from corrupt leaders? Tell me how a legal six year old Arabic girl is going to destroy our country. Why don’t they get rights? We say everyone has God-given rights, that’s not granted to them just because we have a constitution, were it never written, they would still have rights to be respected and treated with dignity.


        1. This goes back to the title of the post. I don’t see where I have called the LGBTQ community enemy. I don’t blame illegal immigrants for wanting to come to the USA. I just want to get of politicians who think their job is providing cheap labor to their rich donors.

          The USA is just a small part of the world, and most of the world is dirt poor and governed by tyrants. Trying to run a welfare state with open borders is just inexcusably stupid, and there is nothing racist, bigoted, or hateful about pointing what is wrong with that.

          The U.S. Constitution is for citizens of the USA. We are not the world’s policeman (Do you want that job?). We also have no business taxing our neighbors so we can bring half of the world’s population to the USA. Such silliness may sound generous, but we don’t have the capacity rescue billions of people from their own ignorance.


        2. Your eighth bullet point – it makes me think that anything you don’t agree with is automatically assigned to the enmity category. If you want America to be a Christian nation, then by God’s rules it must be an inexcusably stupid one to operate in ways that are contrary to how the world operates.

          What I was saying that you can’t say: “People have God-given rights, so says the Constitution” and just ignore that they they do indeed have God-given rights despite not yet being citizens. Like it or not, America is a neighbor to the world, and if we’re to love our neighbors, we can’t look out for number one if that number one is us. Radically Christian principles would necessarily destroy a good secular government. You can’t have it both ways.


        3. @Jamie

          Is America a Christian nation? God knows, but I am not about to embarrass myself by making that claim before God.

          When our nation was founded, did its framers try to apply their Christian beliefs to their method of governing? Yes. Were they entirely successful? No. Of course not.

          We are sinners. In much of our country it is legal to have an abortion right up to the last moment before delivery, and the leading abortion provider targets minority community. Supposedly, government is justified in using our tax dollars to support this because a baby is not human, a woman has the right to choose, and it saves money on welfare payments. That’s they way the world operates, but secular or not it is wrong. Although abortion is murder, we have probably passed the point where it is possible to convict anyone of such a murder. So I doubt a secular society can stop it. Still, it is absurd to use taxpayer dollars to fund something so many believe is wrong. Yet abortion proponents would have us believe opposing abortion is anti-woman, and that is just the start. If one opposes the practice of homosexuality, one is homophobic. If one opposes joining the transgendered in their delusions, one is a hater. If one opposes fornication, one is a party pooper. Yet as Christians we are suppose to separate ourselves from the world. Neither are we to sin, nor are we to help others to sin. So if modern pagans want to sin, is it too much to ask if they do on their own dime and without making everyone else participate?

          Does everyone have God-given rights? Yes, but the Constitution does not say that. That is in the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is designed to protect the rights of Americans, and everyone does not have the God-given right to be an American. That is what you are arguing for, and that is not a Christian concept.

          Just as we have families, clans, communities, tribes, localities, and states, we have nations. These collectives, in order to function properly, require people who share an identity, an identity that includes a common set of values. Consider. Do you want just anyone who wants to do so to walk into your home at will? Well, if we allow hordes of the world’s most poor and ignorant to walk into the United States, we risk our cultural identity. There is no way that can be a change for the good. It may serve the interests of certain people who hate this country and want to transform it, but I think we have an obligation to pass an America at least as good as the one we grew up in to our children and grandchildren.


        4. It’s really not possibible to create a dual government system, one Christian and the other not-Christian by which Christians can isolate themselves and serve their own interests while not lifting a finger or involving themselves in the not-Christian co-government. If you say that the government is in fact not-Christian, then regardless, Jesus would have you pay your taxes even though it might go toward things that you don’t approve of; Just as Jesus’ taxes could have gone toward bread to feed the hungry, it also could have gone to supplying the army with weapons with which they’d use to kill. He didn’t say you had to like it, only that you must submit to the governing authorities over you. The important thing was maintaining a good reputation among the communities you live in order to draw people to Christ. So be upset about paying your taxes and welfare all you want, but know that at least people get fed and people get medical care that the church cannot provide that way and be glad that it does a lot more good than harm.
          Everyone has the God-given right to be treated with respect and dignity regardless of who they are and where they are from, no exceptions. That’s what I’m arguing.
          America’s cultural identity is an amalgamation of the cultures that have come to call us home, our various traditions can point to all corners of the globe in one way or another. It’s also in flux when a large immigrant population anrrives, bringing with them new idea, new foods, new songs, new books, new stories, new holiday traditions. Because of the respect and dignity we have these “poor and ignorant” souls as you refer to them, we have become a wealthy nation. Let’s not forget, at one time or another, both you and me had “poor and ignorant” ancestors who arrived on these shores to a less than friendly reception. They were seen as a threat to the status quo – but ultimately, they strengthened our nation. Let’s give our newest members far more respect than our ancestors got.


        5. @Jamie

          Because early Christians celebrated communion just like they do today, some of the pagans thought they must be cannibals because they ate the body of Christ. Laughable now, but we still have such confusion.

          Conservatives are not against government. Christian Conservatives don’t insist upon a Christian government. We just think we have the right to express our opinions like anybody else. Can we stop others from misunderstanding and even deliberately contorting our words? No. All we can do is what anyone does, explain ourselves.

          So who said anything about a dual government or not paying taxes? You. What I asked, and you still have not explained, is what makes it moral for the government to demand the payment of taxes?

          Romans 13:1-7 makes it clear Christians should do their best to support the rightful governing authorities. We must obey God first, but human beings need a government, even a bad one. The alternative is chaos where no one is safe from anyone. Consider that Apostle Paul wrote Romans, and the governing authorities were anything but kind to him.

          Nevertheless, in a republic we each have a role in formation of government policy. When the only answer we have for our critics is name calling, then we need to rethink our own ideas.

          “Better is the enemy of good.” When something works, there is nothing wrong with replacing that something with something better. However, BEFORE we make that replacement, we need to consider the consequences. When our forebears started the process of replacing private charity with government-run charity, Conservatives complained. Were the negative consequence unanticipated? No. They were ignored. That is similar to what you are doing now.

          What it seems to me you are arguing is that because we are Christians we don’t have the right to say “no, that is enough”. That is not true. Being a Christian is not being a doormat. We have a responsibility to love our neighbors on the other side of the world, but we have greater responsibilities to our families, friends, and countrymen. Moreover, we cannot love anyone unless we first love our self.

          If you want to give away half your property to the government, I don’t object, but what are you doing in my pockets? Consider the position of people on welfare upon whose votes so many politicians depend. What makes it moral for welfare recipients to take other people’s property and give it themselves? They voted for a crooked politician to do their dirty work? Is that really a good excuse? Yet that is the sort of government you are defending, and that is immoral because it is thievery.


        6. Moral or not, it’s the way it is. There’s no way that the government can act as a provider without having the funding in place to buy what it needs and there’s no way the church could act as an alternative provider especially given it’s decline. Even Jesus paid his taxes, he didn’t complain – he merely complied. You don’t have to be happy about the government – didn’t Lincoln say that you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time? You’re not going to get the ideal government you want, but neither is anyone else.


        7. So morality is not relevant. I guess that explains why you won’t address the subject. Yet you claim to be acting morally. But all you are doing is justifying yourself by posing a false dilemma. If government does not seize power it is not suppose to have people will die.


        8. @jamie

          It is with exaggerated liberty that you loosely apply ‘neighbor’ without any qualifications.

          A murdering, head chopping, van driving killing machine, allahuey shouting bas-tard is hardly a neighbor. In the world of the utopian elite, this point escapes them. You are not one of these elite then are you…….?

          Maybe a study of what true immigration is? That is, they who want to assimilate into American life and culture, NOT wanting to change it into a mini-country of their own, without learning English……….for starters.

          Hope you get the point.

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        9. I once read the story of the Good Samaritan, in it – Jews and Samaritans are blood enemies, the hatred they had for each other was infamous. In fact, Jews who had to travel in the region generally went around Samaria rather than through it so as not to be contaminated by them. But in the story, the man who was the neighbor acted with mercy and compassion. Something we should all do.


        10. You are proving my point. The murdering people who come into America are not neighborly now are they………..yet you want Americans to make sandwiches for them while they watch their children being slaughtered?

          Don’t forget common sense.

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        11. I heard the same sort of thinking – about the Chinese and Japanese immigrants who had to deal with the laws that had been passed to limit how many could immigrate to the states. I heard it again about the Irish who would “hand us over to the Pope!” There’s never been an immigrant population that has not been discriminated against – and all of us are either immigrants or their descendants. I think you’re blowing things out of proportion because you’re afraid. I met a Muslim guy a few weeks ago. You know what, he didn’t try to kill me. He had a great sense of humor. He was hard-working and trying to do the best he could for his family. People like him deserve to be here.


        12. That nice jame. Glad you have a muslim friend. I am also aware of many muslim doctors who would no more hurt a patient, but your head is in the sand if you do not think the political and religious bent of the allahueys would not lose a wink of sleep if only to end your life.

          Neighbors? Uh, no.


        13. Who was NEIGHBOR to he who fell among the thieves. It is not a matter of geography, but I’m wondering if you are talking about the buddha of Christendom, where everyone has their own ‘jesus,’ as opposed to the Lord of heaven and earth, the Lord Jesus Christ of the scriptures….

          Ever heard of pearls before swine? ever heard of common sense? Discernment?

          Or perhaps you think it is normal for you to buy a sword, hand it to the murdering bas-tards, then lay your own head on the block?

          Really? What scriptures do you read? But we are off road here.

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        14. I strongly believe in Jesus’ ethics and I strive to follow his example. From his interactions with immigrants, non-Israelites, he treated them respectfully. Regardless of the reputations that their people had, he saw them as individuals who ought to be treated with dignity. Jesus also choose a guy like Saul, who persecuted the church and was an accessory to Stephen’s murder to be his servant. Who knows what God has in store for the people he brings to these shores?

          I never refer to people as swine, vermin, or anything non-human. It makes it easier to discriminate, to steal, to kill, and to destroy when you don’t see others as just like you are. The way that you’re referring to these people, it saddens me – and I think, Jesus, too.


        15. Liberalism apart from law is lawlessness.
          Your ‘generosity’ will make America a min- version of Iran, so this is what your ‘neighborly’ shortsightedness looks like, complete with daily beheadings courtesy of Sharia. Congrats.

          I think the Creator actually wants us to engage our brains, you know, God bless America, not God d_mn America. Maybe a visit over ‘there’ will open your eyes to the word ‘neighbor.’

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        16. I enjoy traveling. Mark Twain once said, “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.” And he was a keen observer of human nature. It also probably helps that quite a few of my friends hail from other corners of the globe. You can learn a lot from other people if you keep an open heart and an open mind. After all, we have a lot in common. Monotheistic religions that emphasize charity as a tenant of our faith. We both pray a lot. We’re both groups that are extremely devoted to our beliefs. Yet we have to remember that every group that has come to America ends up assimilating as the new mix of American cultural identity settles. We might get a new holiday out of the mix, but some of their traditions might fall by the wayside as a product of just simply being here. But I can tell you it’s easier to be a neighbor when you’re next door than when you’re on the other side of the world.


        17. “Moral or not, it’s the way it is. There’s no way that the government can act as a provider without having the funding in place to buy what it needs and there’s no way the church could act as an alternative provider especially given it’s decline.”

          Well, since you’ve as much as admitted above the Bible doesn’t compel Christians to forcibly extract resources from everyone now we’re just arguing economics 101 (and sociology 101).
          Per economics 101: You can start with puerto rico and what happened with the recent steep incline in taxes for their pharmaceutical industry. Or look at Venezuela.

          Per sociology 101: You can look at history (or current events) and what happens when a society allows a deluge of immigrants to come in and bring their dysfunctional culture and habits with them, make demands for that society to accommodate their dysfunction, and that society accedes those demands.

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        18. I would say the experiment has worked out really well for America, Related to the Statue of Liberty is The New Colossus, a poem which says: “”Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door!””
          With all the mass immigration over the years, we’ve had all sorts of people brought in, and all sorts of people born to them. After all, even some people who are born here aren’t necessarily a better class of person than those who aren’t. But we can look to history and see occasions where healthcare didn’t exist and people died of preventable diseases, When people ended up going hungry because nobody was feeling charitable enough to give them a meal, with no shelters for people to get out of the elements. People died a lot more back then.


        19. “I would say the experiment has worked out really well for America, Related to the Statue of Liberty is The New Colossus, a poem which says: “”Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door!””
          With all the mass immigration over the years, we’ve had all sorts of people brought in, and all sorts of people born to them.(snip)

          A couple of things.
          First, that was based on LEGAL immigration.
          IOW, rules in place the immigrant population had to adhere to for admission. The rules changed with the times, depending.
          Like the period from 1924 to 1965, when there was very little immigration into America to give current immigrants time/encouragement to properly assimilate.

          Since you say your friend is from Germany, Germany is a good example of a country with lax immigration policies that (IMO) will have a deleterious effect in years to come. Italy is already feeling severe adverse effects, Germany has been as well but it will be worse in about five to eight years time.

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        20. I should add, the “lax immigration policies”….up until quite recently Germany was a very homogeneous society.
          The current paradigm is new territory, and it is really putting a strain on the welfare state.

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    2. One more observation. What people believe makes a difference in how they behave. What is amazing is the degree to which Democrats refuse to acknowledge something so basic and so obvious. What Democrats believe (Socialism, the notion government gives us our rights) is contrary to the principles upon which this country was founded. Redistribution of the wealth, for example, is stealing given the veneer of legality. And why is that wrong? Why don’t you tell me?


      1. Considering that the Bible advocates for wealth redistribution, I don’t see it as all that evil: “At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.” If it’s wrong, then God must have been wrong to ask it of us.

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        1. I think perhaps one needs to see the entire passage to better understand this.

          2 Corinthians 8:
          7But just as you abound in everything, in faith and utterance and knowledge and in all earnestness and in the love we inspired in you, see that you abound in this gracious work also. 8I am not speaking this as a command, but as proving through the earnestness of others the sincerity of your love also. 9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich. 10I give my opinion in this matter, for this is to your advantage, who were the first to begin a year ago not only to do this, but also to desire to do it. 11But now finish doing it also, so that just as there was the readiness to desire it, so there may be also the completion of it by your ability. 12For if the readiness is present, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. 13For this is not for the ease of others and for your affliction, but by way of equality— 14at this present time your abundance being a supply for their need, so that their abundance also may become a supply for your need, that there may be equality; 15as it is written, “HE WHO gathered MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, AND HE WHO gathered LITTLE HAD NO LACK.”

          This is advocating giving of yourself: time and talents. It is not advocating the government taking wealth at the point of a sword and redistributing it. This is about charity and kindness; Passing on God’s love.

          Paul refers back to Exodus (16:18) when God gave the Hebrews mana to eat. This should remind us that our needs are met by God, not the government, and we should not try to horde that which He has given us.

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        2. I was taught it in conjunction with the Acts 2 church that held everything in common, everybody pooling together their resources to take care of one another. It was as if in God’s radical kingdom, money and possessions had far less value than people.


        3. Perhaps, but we need to remember that Corinthians and Acts were written by two different people. Paul wrote to the Corinthians. While we don’t know who actually wrote Acts was probably not Paul. I doubt they would have had the same thinking.

          It is true, in God’s Kingdom, we will not need money, or material items. But I still cannot see Christ, or his Disciples, advocating giving your wealth and/or material items to the government to disperse. He spoke more about you, the individual, giving, doing, caring, loving. Giving to the government isn’t love or compassion. The government isn’t capable of either emotion. Giving to your neighbor, working to help your neighbor. I believe that That is the redistribution that Paul is talking about.

          Give till you hurt does not mean give to Uncle Sam. 😉


        4. The charity described in Acts 2 was voluntary, not compulsory. The situation was also not sustainable. People were giving up everything they had.

          The situation after that first Pentecost was unique. The apostles did not know it, but the leaders in Jerusalem were about to scatter the Christians to the four winds. Thus, those who left had to quickly become effective teachers of God’s Word. To become such teachers, they set aside and gave up everything they had. It is because of their sacrifice we are Christians, but we don’t all have the same calling. We each have to discover for ourselves what God has called us to do.

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        5. The problem is though, as individuals, we cannot nearly give enough to lots of people do any good. Nobody really does charity that way anyway. Sure, when there’s a disaster it’s easy to donate twenty dollars to Red Cross or drop off a dozen canned jars of food. How far will that go in towns that have been erased? Christians just aren’t organized to be an alternative welfare system, too many churches take in money in order to improve their own buildings to draw more people in, too few have an actual presence in their community. I know of one church that’s so much of of a fishbowl, only taking care of those inside it’s doors that were it to close down, no outsider would miss it’s presence or notice any difference whatsoever. Even Jesus paid his taxes. The taxes that Jesus paid could have been used to buy the bread that was handed out to the population, maybe to a poorer family. How is that any different from Jesus giving either money or bread to that same family? All it is is a middle-man step and obeying the government – which Paul said we should do.


        6. @Jamie

          The mission of the church is to spread the Gospel, not to become the Red Cross. However, organizations like the Red Cross were started by Christians.

          The government-run welfare state is a usurpation of tasks that were once performed privately. Since government can tax people, it can throw lots of money at problems. When government throws lots of money at a problem, two things happen. With respect to that problem, private charity drys up, and government spending (and influence) goes up. Then net result is that our deficit increases and politicians have more power. Problem solved? Not necessarily. There is often a distinct difference between getting votes and solving problems. When politicians create a new voting constituency, why would they want to solve the problem that created that constituency?

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        7. Sometimes in order to spread the gospel, you have to spread out a tablecloth first, or tend to an illness so that the person will live long enough to hear gospel. Given America’s population, there’s no system where we can provide private charity as an alternative to what the government does. Until such a system is in place, I’m in favor of anything that gives food, gives medical care, gives clothing, gives monetary assistance on a massive scale and I’m happy to do my part.


        8. @Jamie

          Such a system is in place. Free — get that word “FREE” in your brain — enterprise feed, clothes, and shelters the people of this country. Every cent the government spends it TAKES from somebody.

          Are you familiar with the story of the golden goose. The greedy farmer and his wife, unsatisfied with waiting for the goose to lay eggs, killed the goose. The Democratic Party’s thinking is very similar.

          Unsatisfied that the multitude of prosperous people will share what they deem to be enough with the poor, they have decided it make more sense to put the squeeze on the “rich”. (ASIDE: What the Democratic Party considers rich is just upper income wage earners. The real rich don’t receive their earnings in wages.)

          The Democratic Party, because it insists upon socialist solutions, is at war with our constitutional republic. That is the golden goose it seeks to kill. And you are happy to do your part.


        9. Never heard of it. But I do know that I’ve never met anybody who charitably donated to every soup kitchen, benefit, cause, homeless person on the street, or covered somebody elses’ medical bills as often as the opportunity arises – and even if they did, it would be a drop in the bucket of such overwhelming need that not even all the churches could hope to match were they to finally get on the same page and start doing something. Few Christian organizations are sufficiently organized to provide on that great of a scale. I know of one, it was an international ministry. The collectors would pocket a little, skim some just off of the top before sending it on to the treasurer. The treasurer would skim a little more off of the top before sending it on out to the couriers. The couriers would skim a little off of the top because they thought that nobody was going to miss any of it. By the time it had changed hands several times, it was a fraction of what it would have been otherwise, and all those believers used these donations to pay for their fancy cell phone, top-notch cars, and opulent houses. All this they do in God’s name.


        10. Then you focus on helping those that you can help.

          There are people who dedicate their lives to helping those less fortunate.

          “Even Jesus paid his taxes.”

          Christ said: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is Gods.

          The government forces you to pay your taxes. The government is not a benevolent force, they do not care about you or your family.

          God, thru Christ, *asks* you to give, to care, to love, to help. He never forces us to do anything.

          “The taxes that Jesus paid could have been used to buy the bread that was handed out to the population, maybe to a poorer family.” Indeed, the more the government takes away from me, the less I have to help those in need.

          “All it is is a middle-man step.”
          Is it? Are you giving because you want to, or because they force you? Is letting the government redistribute the wealth (material wealth that God is not concerned with) taking the easy way out? “See, I paid my taxes, I am a good person”.

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        11. I see it as an opportunity to go above and beyond. “The government used x, that leaves me an additional y to use for charitable purposes.” After all, they have a distribution system set up that gets it to where it can do the most good. That can’t be said about the church. I have heard of health-share organizations run by Christians, and they are a decent start, but they’re also apt to just kick people out just because – instead of being the providers they promised to be, they go back on their word.

          Why stop and say: “The government used x, so it is enough charity. I’ll do whatever I want with what I have left..”?


        12. What the government does is what the politicians who run it want it to do. Politicians use health, education, and welfare programs to buy votes, and they are willing to waste billions to do it.


        13. Also, when you look to the government to provide for you, or to do your job for you, you are taking your eyes off the true source.

          Psalm 121:
          1I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
          From where shall my help come?
          2My help comes from the LORD,
          Who made heaven and earth.

          3He will not allow your foot to slip;
          He who keeps you will not slumber.

          4Behold, He who keeps Israel
          Will neither slumber nor sleep.

          5The LORD is your keeper;
          The LORD is your shade on your right hand.

          6The sun will not smite you by day,
          Nor the moon by night.

          7The LORD will protect you from all evil;
          He will keep your soul.

          8The LORD will guard your going out and your coming in
          From this time forth and forever.

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        14. Are you sure God didn’t make our government just to act in this way so that the poorest would be taken care of, the ill will have medical care, and the hungry will be fed? Churches alone can’t fill the need.


        15. Yes, He made governments. He gave us Prophets, Judges and Kings, to lead us – to guide us. But not to take care of us because then we’d be placing our trust, our faith, in men, not in God. We would be giving thanks to them, not to Him.

          Then too, modern governments are corrupt. They do not take our taxes to do good works. They take out taxes to feed themselves and their supporters. It is the left overs that are used to support the social programs.

          Also, government run organizations are more concerned with “the rules” (ala the Pharisees) then actually doing what is right and good.
          “deer hunters donated more than 1,500 pounds of venison to the Shreveport Rescue Mission which the Bellevue Meat Processing Plant in Haughton handled and packaged properly before delivering it to the Mission. However, State Health inspectors showed up at the mission last month and found the meat in refrigerators.” [https://battleofourtimes.com/2013/02/20/deer-meat-donated-to-shreveport-shelter-destroyed-by-state-health-inspectors/] That meat, that could have fed hundred of people, was destroyed due to Tha Rulz.

          “For five years now Kookers Kare, a group of barbecue chefs with hearts as big as their stomachs, has worked with Harvesters to collect the extra food not turned over to judges at the competition. This year that was more than 3,000 pounds of meat, and 1,200 pounds of sides. … It’s then distributed to ministries with food kitchens like Hope City on Kansas City’s East side.”

          The food was destroyed, and over a hundred people did not eat, because it wasn’t from a permitted establishment. It didn’t follow Tha Rulz.

          God would not tell us to be more concerned about the rules then helping people.

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        16. And at the last church I attended, the deacon shut down the food kitchen so that the church could buy an electronic sign with flashing LED lights. Christians don’t have any mass distribution network setup for charity that rivals that what the government can do.


        17. @Jamie

          The government parasites the private sector. It does not produce anything. What you are speaking of is a mirage. To redistribute the wealth, government has to take money from hundreds of millions of people in communities across the country, pipe that money into DC, and send it back. What is wrong with people figuring out what to do with their own money?

          You know how a shell game works?

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        18. We have things like the polio vaccine because our government could do what no church could – gather the resources needed to give it to the best people who could solve a major crisis. People could just have easily decided to do that, but people could have just as easily decided to do lots of other things with it. I’m happier knowing that there’s one less dangerous virus out there that can destroy lives. The government can do so much more than we can. Massive programs kept our nation going through it’s darkest depressions – people have to eat and I’m not sorry or upset that my taxes feed them. I count it as a joy to be able to bless them beyond what the government can do with what time and talent I have. You can do whatever you want with your own money that the government decides not to take from you – and you even get a return when the government decides it took too much. For that, you have many benefits, many freedoms. But even our founders knew that no country can operate without taxation.


        19. Consider the Space Shuttle. What the government attempted to do with NASA was Socialism in space. That is why the Space Shuttle was an utter flop and set us back decades.

          We won the moon race because the economy of the USSR was more socialist than our own. Our government could hire more competent people to get the work done.

          Government interference int the economy turns economic downturns into depressions. Three things happening at the same time generally set them off.
          1. Too much borrowing. Government regulations encourage people to borrow too much money for investments (examples include buying stock on the margin or extravagant mortgages).
          2. Increased taxes and government spending. During the Great Depression, FDR “saved” the country with all his expensive workfare projects. In other words, FDR sucked up all the money anyone had left to invest.
          3. Tariffs. To protect the nation’s industries Congress passed the Smoot–Hawley Tariff on June 17, 1930. Other nations responded in kind. Killed trade and lots of jobs.

          Note: What the government does is hire people to do research. That money goes to private companies and nonprofits. Lots of people are perfectly happy to donate money to medical research, and private companies often do it because it is profitable. Universities also get into the act. That is where the polio vaccine was developed. The best universities in the country is still largely private, but the Federal Government dangles lots of money before them, and that influence is more corrupting than helpful.


        20. It should be easy to see though, because it was our national goal to get to the moon, because the government paid the way – we became the leaders in Space. Because the government paid the way – a vaccine was created and a whole nation began to eradicate Polio. They have been able to feed people that the church can’t feed, provide medical care that the church just won’t, and help in all sorts of ways – programs, education – to make things better. One of my books had this saying TANSTAAFL – there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. The stuff that churches give out – they had to be paid for. The stuff that the government provides – it was paid for, too.


        21. @Jamie Carter

          There is a distinct difference between honest charity and government-run health, education, and welfare programs. This difference gets in the way of NASA and the DOD too. That is why we have this old joke.

          What is an invulnerable weapons system?

          That is a system with parts made in all 435 congressional districts.


          When we give our money to a charity from the heart, we can verify that charity is actually helping people. Government does not ask for our money. It takes it, and politicians use that money to buy power and influence. Whether politicians actually help anyone depends upon how honorably we vote. Using our votes to rob our fellow citizens is not honorable. It is stealing.


        22. @Jamie Carter

          I have always wondered why Liberal Democrats were so ridden with guilt, but I suppose it takes time to notice things and sort them out when nobody wants to talk about them.

          Your only excuse — the only one that comes close to being a legitimate excuse is this one.

          The last I checked, they don’t take absolutely everything. It’s just that for whatever reason, there are millions of people out there who have such great need that there’s no system set up to help them out aside from what the government does. From the elderly people who need help with their medications and getting food – without it, they’d have to choose between one and the other. From the young student who is brilliant but can’t afford to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to pay for their college education – my grandmother only spent a total of $300.00 for hers.

          Two issues:
          1. Not true.
          2. The cure eventually becomes far worst than the disease.


        23. So there is a system set up out there that does what the government does, just that it’s not the government doing it? An equal alternative to medicare/medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, tuition, etc.?


        24. When a Socialist system is set up, it generally appears to be succeeding for awhile. Then private charities cannot raise money. After a time, however, special interests start to gain control of socialist system. Public education started in the 1830’s, and it has gotten worst and worst. So many parents home school and many send their children to private schools. If you study the costs of public education carefully, you will find that relative to private schools it is highly expensive.


        25. @Jamie Carter

          I suppose a bit more explanation is needed.

          We are supposed to do the right thing and depend upon God to provide. When we take things into our own hands and break His commandments (stealing in this case), that is a sin.


        26. Jesus didn’t seem to mind when the tax collector paid him a visit. He even hired one on as a member of his team. Ultimately, I was taught that that the money isn’t really truly ours anyway, only that we’re stewards; God gives and God takes away. I don’t see why it’s worth any bother/frustration to complain over something that’s not truly yours. But if you want to take it with you when you die – go ahead.


        27. Sigh. That’s pathetic!

          Where does the Bible give the government authority to take money from one of His stewards and give it to another?

          You turned that passage upside down. When God makes us responsible for His property, we are not supposed to care when someone steals it, particularly if the thief wastes or misuses God’s property?


        28. I seem to remember parable where one guy’s talent had been buried and the master wasn’t happy, so he took it away from him and gave it to the other guy who invested his talents and got an increase on it. I also remember Jesus saying something about when you’re sued for your shirt, you should hand over your jacket, too.


        29. I note, with some interest, that you keep saying The Church, or Church.

          The modern church is a creation of man. Many try to teach God’s word and just as many warp God’s word – cherry picking the versus that support their claims, while ignoring what upsets them.

          No human wrought device can be perfect. Perfection is of God. Ergo, the church can be, and often is, flawed.

          You imply that nothing except the government can do enough. I not only dispute this, I will direct your attention to St. Jude’s Hospital and Shriner’s Hospitals for Children. Between them they treat children with cancer, limb defects, spinal injury and defects, cleft pallets and burn injuries. Neither of these hospitals are run by the government and yet both have top rated care – cutting edge techniques – regardless of the parents ability to pay. They are funded by people like you and me.

          Individually, I can do only a little, but joined with my brothers and sisters in the Shriner’s family, I can help provide for the care of hundreds of children.

          Instead of focusing on the idea of not being able to help the many, try seeing what you can do for the most needy in your area. Share the Faith, Knowledge, and Love – the real wealth – that God gave us. That is the wealth that God, through Paul, tells us to redistribute.

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        30. St. Jude also receives partial funding from the government as well, it’s good that they don’t solely rely on individuals – we’re a fickle bunch. I remember the Worldvision fiasco when people decided to stop supporting children because Worldvision backed the wrong idea or thing. Anyway, what does it matter if you personally give to St Jude or if your tax dollars go there? Isn’t doing good more important than quibbling over how it was done?


        31. @Jamie

          Have you considered where your argument leads?

          Wyldkat, others here, and I are just saying government has certain responsibilities only it can accomplish well. Those are the things it needs to do, and doing more just threatens our ability to trust our leaders to protect our rights.

          On the other hand, the Democratic Party argues that government needs to save the world’s poor, old, disabled, diseased, sexually confused, minorities, and on and on and on. On top of that the government needs to do research, fix our transportation systems, educate everyone and on and on and on. The mission creep has gotten to the point of the absurd. Why can’t you see that? What is not obvious about it?

          Consider. Does it matter whether we have any choice at all? Since the government is such a great thing, irreplaceable and totally able to do anything and everything, why don’t we just let Trump nationalize the economy and run the whole show? After all, nobody has the resources the government has. In fact we can declare Trump emperor and put a statue of him in every church, synagogue, temple and mosque. We need to figure out what to eat for breakfast? We can just ask our local bureaucrat what is socially responsible for that hour of the day. If Al Gore can invent the Internet, surely we will be able to go online and ask that question.


        32. I used to think as you do, I once debated a friend of mine for hours into the night saying that charity had to be private and it was wrong that the government taxed people to pay for non-essentials; but now I see these things as essential. His country had universal healthcare before we did. His country is the economic powerhouse of the region. His country has somehow managed to find a balance where it is governed well and provides basic rights and services. If they can do it, so can we. I don’t see why you’re so against programs that help feed the hungry and help with medical care, that help educate and do so much more. Without the government doing these things – people just won’t. The churches can’t, and if given the choice, people are more likely to spend money upgrading their cars or cell phones than helping their next door neighbor get the dentures he needs to eat real food again.


        33. “St. Jude also receives partial funding from the government”

          Oh? I had not heard that.

          Guess it is a good thing Shriners are a dedicated bunch. 🙂 With 22 hospitals, that’s a lot of kids getting treated.

          “Isn’t doing good more important than quibbling over how it was done? ”

          Gotta disagree with ya there, darlin. You know the expression about the road to Hell, right? You hand over the money, you do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is going to be used to do good, let alone to do what you wished. You also don’t know how much is going to which group. For example: the combined federal campaign donates to several charities. If you put money in, you don’t have any say in how much goes to which group.

          Personally, I want to do, to give, myself. I don’t want to hand over my money and let someone else do it for me. I may trust an individual, but I don’t trust people. I’ve seen how dark and twisted some people can get – especially people who seek power. Power corrupts. Unchecked power becomes the Pharisees – where the rules are more important then the result.

          I do not trust governments. I honestly believe that any government that is powerful enough to give me anything I want, is also powerful enough to take it all away. I do not want the government to “take care of me”. I loath the Womb-to-Tomb mentality. One of the biggest struggles I have is to stop trying to depend only on myself, and to trust God. Letting the government step in and take care of things, do for me, impedes the progress in moving towards God: including acts of charity.

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        34. You can still choose to give freely – so long as you obey the Bible’s instruction to pay your taxes as you should. The last I checked, they don’t take absolutely everything. It’s just that for whatever reason, there are millions of people out there who have such great need that there’s no system set up to help them out aside from what the government does. From the elderly people who need help with their medications and getting food – without it, they’d have to choose between one and the other. From the young student who is brilliant but can’t afford to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to pay for their college education – my grandmother only spent a total of $300.00 for hers. As I said, I live in an area where just about everybody is on food stamps – the church can’t match all the need in this county, in this state, or this country. Free charity doesn’t scratch the surface.


        35. Yes, Christ said to pay our taxes, but no Roman tax money was used to help the poor. Taxes in that era were brutal, leaving many poor and destitute. Rome did not care about those people. If you were that poor, you could sell yourself or a child into slavery.

          He also commands us to pay tithe to the temples (church). It was the temples that took care of the poor, it was the families that cared for the elderly, sick and lame.

          Mark 12 42A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent. 43Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury; 44for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on.”

          She gave what little the government had left to care for others.

          True love is in caring for, helping, your neighbor; it is giving to your community.

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        36. Nowhere does the Bible advocate wealth redistribution. What the Bible advocates is personal charity given cheerfully. How many people do you know who pay their taxes cheerfully?

          Consider Acts 5:1-11. Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, sold their property. They said they had given all of what they had gotten for their property to the apostles (so the apostles could help the needy), but Ananias actually held back part of the money for himself, and his wife knew this. When the Apostle Peter confronted each of them separately with the truth, they died at his feet. God took their lives for lying, not their lack of charity.

          In Roman times, the government did operate charitable programs. In 100 AD, a poet sarcastically referred to these programs as bread and circuses.

          It has been almost 2000 years, but we have not changed much.

          Some of the entertainment at the “circuses” consisted of throwing Christians to hungry lions. You think that is the sort of thing Jesus would have advocated?

          What the bread and circuses illustrate is there is nothing new about politicians using wealth redistribution as a method of buying votes. To buy the votes of the less well off, they tax the stuffing out of high wage earners. The rich? The rich don’t pay income taxes, and they avoid capital gains taxes and corporate income taxes like the plague. That is one reason US companies have trillions parked overseas.

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        37. Jesus did say “render unto Caesar what’s Caesar’s.” What Caesar did with it – Jesus never seemed to object. I live in a high poverty area, most are on food stamps. The church does not have the ability to charitably provide for them all, after all, these same poor people fill up the churches. Strangely, when you think about it, it sounds like wealth redistribution: a group pools it’s resources together to serve the needs of their community. Why is it wrong to have the same sort of thing with taxes? Don’t they pay for things like police and the fire department? Or should churches take up that cause, too?


        38. @Jamie

          Most people never ask themselves this question:

          Why is moral for the government to tax us?

          Government does not exist to redistribute the wealth. The people who operate the government are just human beings who cannot be trusted to protect our rights and to redistribute the wealth. The conflict of interest is too great. Do you really want someone like Donald Trump to be our king? Do you really want Trump’s power to be beyond any challenge? When the ruler owns everything, he owns everyone. That is why tyrants always advocate wealth redistribution.

          Imagine Hitler, Stalin, or Mao. By comparison, our Donald is the kindest and gentlest of souls, but to tempt him with so much power….. Madness!

          When we succeed in using our government to protect our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then we each have the opportunity to become wealthy. Then it is the obligation of those who have to help those who need, and that is what the Bible says.

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        39. “Strangely, when you think about it, it sounds like wealth redistribution: a group pools it’s resources together to serve the needs of their community.”

          Yes. FREELY GIVEN “wealth redistribution” (aka charity).

          “Why is it wrong to have the same sort of thing with taxes?”

          The freely given portion. It’s a wonderful, Christian thing to be generous with one’s own money. Not so Christian to be generous with everyone else’s money.

          “Don’t they pay for things like police and the fire department?”
          People all benefit and use those resources. Security is the primary function of government. Keeping communities and families safe so they can go about their day to day enjoying their personal freedom. Theft undermines trust.
          Trust is key to independence, and a requirement for a free society.
          There’s a reason Communist countries are ipso facto mass murdering dictatorships while Abbeys and Monasteries aren’t.

          “Or should churches take up that cause, too?”
          I’d say it’s

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        40. “Or should churches take up that cause, too?”
          I’d say it’s

          Oops….cut off my thoughts there at the end.
          There’s much to say about private policing…but I don’t have the time right now.
          Suffice it to say everyone has the right to self defense. When defense is in the hands of a just and capable government interested in protecting freedom the people are more free to conduct business than if they are forced to take up arms themselves (fwiw, those little bands are also called gangs….you see them in societies in decline). The key element is trust…things that undermine trust undermine the human condition (community interdependence). Things that increase trust improve the human condition (community interdependence).

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        41. Just reading through the above, really Tom and Wyldkat stated things far better than I could.
          But I thought the concept of free will was worth mentioning.

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        42. For some reason I seem to be having more trouble with the reply feature than others.
          I only see one reply button way up there so that’s the one I’m taking (maybe it’s my browser?). Anyway, I’ll provide a quote.

          Jaime Carter: His country had universal healthcare before we did. His country is the economic powerhouse of the region. His country has somehow managed to find a balance where it is governed well and provides basic rights and services. If they can do it, so can we.

          Which country is that?

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  2. Great analogy.

    If I could chose an analogy of a similar subject post today, it would be how a child acts when confronted with their fears, I would use thus scenario.

    Ever watch a child put his or her hands over their eyes believing no one can see them. They actually think they become invisible. When you are a child, you can imagine, fanaticize, that no one can see you if you shut your eyes.

    Problem is in reality, everyone can see you and the results of your folly, that is unless you have a child’s mind, or are a spindles fool.

    Sure wish politicians would grow and confront the reality of Islam terrorism in the USA instead of putting their hands over their eyes for fear of political correctness.

    If interested,


    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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  3. I watched this commercial the other evening and was absolutely incensed.
    Talk about perpetuating a lie…
    And the fact that the democrats, who this commercial basically is endorsing, did not condemn this overt notion of idiocy…. is equally inexcusable…..
    I’m telling you, each day brings new lows…lows I thought impossible as it had seemed as if we’ve gone as low as we can….then something like this comes along and we sink even lower…..

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  4. Citizen Tom — I don’t think the name calling will stop anytime soon. It is shameful and I do believe Jesus would confront it. Jesus never hesitated to call out hypocritical behavior. Jesus chased retailers out of a public mall. Jesus got very angry with them. Jesus is not Mr. Rogers with a beard.

    At any rate. May we have a man of God elected in Virginia. We all need the leadership.


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  5. Um.. are you suggesting we take those who voted for Trump out back to the woodshed for a sound whippin’? Hmm…. I never did that with my kids (we never had a woodshed).

    Every single thing on your “why I hate democrats” list are very generalized assertions in order to justify your stereotype of the average democrat… of which I am not one. But what you are suggesting is that a sound 50% (for the purposes of our discussion here) of the country doesn’t think your way hence you admonish their existence as being contrary to Christianity as you see it. I’m not sure how all that correlates, or even WHY is should.


    1. @Doug

      Every single thing on your “why I hate democrats” list are very generalized assertions in order to justify your stereotype of the average democrat… of which I am not one.

      I did not mention anything that is not effectively in the platform of the Democratic Party. If you are voting for Democrats, I just listed what you are voting for. You disagree. Pick any ONE item, and I will be quite happy to show you their platform.


  6. As a bit of a postscript…. Tom.. if you’re wondering why the Conservatives are being called racists, bigots, and haters.. then look toward the guy in the White House that managed to turn on the far right with his ridiculous rhetoric and not committing to American ideals that distance neo-nazis and racists. That slop has overflowed into some people’s views of Conservatism; Conservatism has turned into nationalism and no one likes that label. Again.. being part Conservative myself I resent Trump being on some level, a spokesperson for that movement when he himself is neither pure Conservative or Liberal. Face it, the guy is nuts, Tom, and he’s dragged Conservatives down to his level.


    1. You talk about my generalizations, and then you come up with this. I can’t figure out from your comment what exactly Trump has said that you don’t like.

      Frankly, I suggest you visit whitehouse.gov and listen to the man. Get the man unfiltered by a rabidly hostile media.


  7. Doug,

    I resent his predisessors who ignored immigration and imbalanced trade deficits, job outsourcing, nationsl debt, etc. along with empty suit politcal promises for the last four decades to go on
    and on, and on.

    We need Trump to clean up the mess even if he does not do so to the likings of his detractors.


    1. Well, scatter, I respect your opinion.. and truly, as a fellow human being,, it does disappoint me that likely in the end many Americans such as yourself will likely end up disappointed with him as much as the rest of us… yet you and others had hope.

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        1. Portilllos is the best, I agree. The original owner sold all his chains and retired 2 years ago for one billion dollars. Still the same except I noticce every so often they change the hot dog supplier which I sometimes don’t like.

          Regards and goodwill blogging..

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  8. Per the topic:

    When it stops benefiting them to do so.
    I’m hoping we’ve reached that point (“Peak expletive”) about now.

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  9. If interested, here is a link to today’s Chicago Tribune about your Va. governor race.
    The Chicago Tribune in my opinion, is left leaning but occasionally includes right leaning articles to prevent loss of revenue,

    Frankly, i believe the article makes the Va issues to be all about race issues and local couture vs, minorities cultures. Not much about other local issues or qualifications, or accomplishments obtained by either candidates..


    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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