LADIES, WHY ISN’T THIS GROWING OLD?

Clinton testifying before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on October 22, 2015 (from here)
Clinton testifying before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on October 22, 2015 (from here)

The picture above is that of a “nasty woman”. The female of our species may be smaller, but few men go through life without ever beating a hasty retreat from an angry woman. In fact, Proverbs records such a retreat as an act of wisdom.

Proverbs 21:9 New King James Version (NKJV)

Better to dwell in a corner of a housetop,
Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

Imagine Donald Trump’s anguish.  For three 90 minutes sessions he had to put up with a tongue lashing from Hillary Clinton. If he were married to her, he could have escaped to a luxurious rooftop at one of his mansions. Instead, he was trapped in close proximity with a nasty, cold blooded woman determine to verbally eviscerate him. It goes against every instinct and social convention for a man to take such abuse without heading for rooftops.

So how did the news media report the matter? Well, Trump slipped up. He stated the obvious and shared his misery: “Such a nasty woman”.

Well, Hillary Clinton is a woman. She certainly has made every effort to make sure we know it. And as Donald Trump observed, she debates like a “nasty woman”.

What can we do about it? Well, we might want to think long and hard about who is most responsible for making this presidential campaign something so unsuited for children to watch. Meanwhile, let’s all pity and pray for poor Bill Clinton. May he always be able to find a quiet rooftop.

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40 thoughts on “LADIES, WHY ISN’T THIS GROWING OLD?

  1. Tom,
    There is a fine line about being accused of being labeled with misogyny and need for a man to have need to retreat to a rooftop. The line is when a woman tells a man the truth. Clinton has a problem with truth and that is why I turn off the TV when she starts lying.
    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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    1. “Clinton has a problem with truth and that is why I turn off the TV when she starts lying.”

      When she starts lying? Remember she is a lawyer by training. Reminds me of the joke of “How do you tell when a lawyer is lying?” “His lips are moving.”

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      1. Tony

        I like a good lawyer joke as much as anyone, but I might also refer you to Shakespeare where one traitorous character is talking to another about starting their own autocratic communistic type regime: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.” If you look around the world throughout history when tyrannies rise, that is indeed the first thing that they do. It might also be worthwhile to remember that the most influential of our Founders and Framers were all lawyers by training. ☺️

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  2. I think that tyrants, those who would rule over others for their own benefit, must by nature be extremely nasty people.

    Unfortunately, there is no escaping tyrants since their will to power is boundless.

    The People opened Pandora’s box of tyranny when they chose Progressivism lo, those many decades ago.

    It is now way too late for a peaceful return to liberty.

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    1. Tony

      SOM,

      Let me get this straight. Are you just being hypothetical about some theoretical future, or are you seriously advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States of America?

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      1. Tony,

        In the two previous American crises, the Colonies vs the English Crown and the free states vs the slave states, the good guys (the Colonies and the free states) did everything they could to avoid armed conflict.

        In this third American crisis, the crisis of Progressivism, violence almost always is initiated by the left (the Democrat Party).

        In fact, if THE Donald wins this coming presidential election, I would not be surprised if cities all across America where lit up like bon fires, in protest by the Democrat Party.

        I don’t think that armed insurrection against the US government would get very far.

        I think armed insurrection against the US government would be squashed like bug.

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        1. @silenceofmind

          People forget that the Nazis gained political power by hounding their opponents out of office. Honest men and women lacked the integrity, the know-how, and the will to fight. They did not appreciate the sheer horror of evil unopposed, and so even today many still regret not doing what they should have done.

          We look upon the U. S. Constitution as a marvel. How did they do it? Few stop to think that we owe the formation of our republic to the success of local government, not our national government. Because people did not want some bozo on the other side of a mountain range bossing them around, the people insisted that their local governments check the power of their state governments. Similarly, our nation’s founders saw no reason for the the Federal Government to intervene in matters that only concerned their state.

          Unfortunately, the Federal Government now has the power to tax the stuffing out of us. It uses our own money to buy our votes and our acquiescence to tyranny, and we are foolish enough to let it happen. Thus, we let greedy busybodies stick their noses where they don’t belong and waste our wealth in almost mythical proportions.

          Nevertheless, if we repented and turned to God, we could make America great once again.

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        2. Citizen,

          The People are in a worse moral and intellectual state than even the German people of the 1930’s.

          For the fascists, led by der Fuhrer, made Germany great again, both as a world power and an economic one.

          The fascists brought social stability and prosperity to Germany for several years of the 1930’s leading up to World War II.

          But the American Progressives have laid waste to American society, the economy, our politics, our schools, our science, our greatness.

          And yet The People continue to choose them time after time after time after time…

          …after time.

          After laying waste to the United States, President Obama still has a 55% approval rating.

          And Hillary Clinton a proven, treasonous criminal who should be in prison and fixed her own nomination as Democrat Party candidate for President through dirty tricks, appears to be The People’s choice for President of the United States.

          We need to come to grips with the fact that The People are hopelessly stuck on stupid.

          Further, it is absolutely silly, dangerously and maniacally silly, to think God will somehow fix things for us.

          God helped the Allies vanquish the genocidal fascists of German, Imperial Japan and Italy…

          …but 64,000,000 million people were slaughtered in the process.

          The God-fearing West was victorious over the Communists in the Cold War but over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered.

          When The People get stupid it always seems that a blood bath of biblical proportions follows after they call upon God to come and fix things.

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        3. God gives us lessons in good behavior, but those lessons can be painful. So it seems far better to study the Bible and try to do the right thing in the first place. Still, if the alternative is to not be counted among His children, it is better to be punished by our Father and to accept that punishment with all the thankfulness we can muster.

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    2. @silenceofmind

      On our own I suppose you are right, but the United States owes its existence to the providence of God. Perhaps if we pray in His Name and for His Glory, He will revive His Spirit in the hearts of our people.

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  3. novascout

    If you really believe your last statement, SOM, it’s time for you to decamp to another country where your liberties can be cultivated and enjoyed without resort to arms. Those of us who think that this country remains a bastion of liberty see as one of its strengths the capacity for citizens of different views to find solutions to problems of governance. The system doesn’t work when people espouse violence, as it seems you have just done. Time for you to go. There’s no excuse for those advocate violence as a political tool in this Republic.

    On your way out, however, I’m curious: Where will you go that will better honor your liberties? I would find that a puzzler, if I shared your views.

    Scout

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  4. Tony

    Tom wrote:

    “People forget that the Nazis gained political power by hounding their opponents out of office. Honest men and women lacked the integrity, the know-how, and the will to fight. They did not appreciate the sheer horror of evil unopposed, and so even today many still regret not doing what they should have done.”

    Odd that you put it this way because that is exactly what some Republicans are doing to others who do not get in line and sing hail to the Donald. The Democrats are united in a love fest while the Republicans are all about infighting and punishing anyone decent among their own moderates (and even some of their most Right Wing darlings like Ryan).

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  5. Tony

    SOM wrote:

    Citizen,

    “The People are in a worse moral and intellectual state than even the German people of the 1930’s.

    For the fascists, led by der Fuhrer, made Germany great again, both as a world power and an economic one.

    The fascists brought social stability and prosperity to Germany for several years of the 1930’s leading up to World War II.

    But the American Progressives have laid waste to American society, the economy, our politics, our schools, our science, our greatness.

    And yet The People continue to choose them time after time after time after time…

    …after time.

    After laying waste to the United States, President Obama still has a 55% approval rating.

    And Hillary Clinton a proven, treasonous criminal who should be in prison and fixed her own nomination as Democrat Party candidate for President through dirty tricks, appears to be The People’s choice for President of the United States.

    We need to come to grips with the fact that The People are hopelessly stuck on stupid.

    Further, it is absolutely silly, dangerously and maniacally silly, to think God will somehow fix things for us.

    God helped the Allies vanquish the genocidal fascists of German, Imperial Japan and Italy…

    …but 64,000,000 million people were slaughtered in the process.

    The God-fearing West was victorious over the Communists in the Cold War but over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered.

    When The People get stupid it always seems that a blood bath of biblical proportions follows after they call upon God to come and fix things.”

    Ok. That’s how far we have come with this. Is this what you wanted brother? Say a prayer for your enemies and then say a prayer for yourself. Say a prayer for decency. Say a prayer for love. Say a prayer for grace. Say a prayer for peace. Pray…

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    1. @Tony

      Where did I say this is what I wanted. You voted for Obama. You, apparently, intend to vote for H. Clinton. Both Obama and H. Clinton believe in transforming us. Neither has much use for the Constitution or Christianity. Instead, they would impose their own vision upon others. And for proof we have their own words and deeds.

      Is Donald Trump a perfect alternative? No. Just a better choice than H. Clinton.

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      1. Tony

        I respectfully disagree. I’m living in the best country on Earth in the history of civilization. I have been in countries where they have real corruption and real tyranny. Anybody who thinks this country has gotten bad enough to violently revolt against its government obviously has some oversized sense of victimhood.

        I think that President Obama will go down in history as one of our best Presidents even while the “do nothing” Republican Congress that has roadblocked him for the past six years will go down in history as one of the worst. If for no other reason than that, the Republicans have proven themselves, not just unfit, but incapable of leading. Republicans don’t have a common vision anymore except to be a speed bump on America’s road to even greater equality.

        That said, we live in a dynamic world with globalized problems that we just cannot stick our head in the sand of some revisionist dream of an 18th Century utopia that never was and wish a turbulent world would go away. We will either improve and reform on a national scale or we will be left behind.

        Neither are perfect humans, but of the two candidates only one of them has the experience and the temperment to retain the freedom and the prosperity that our parent’s bequeathed to us, and to improve upon them. The other candidate has proven himself to be bankrupted both literally and morally. His candidacy lacks the substance of genuine ideas or ideals, but depends solely upon the braggadocio of expanding his own narcissistic cult of personality. That is why I just cast my vote for Hillary Clinton.

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    1. @Tony

      Is your agreement respectful? I do not think so. Oversized sense of victimhood is respectful?

      Are you respectful of the truth? President Obama will go down in history as one of our best Presidents? I have no idea how you could believe that. What has he done right?

      Do you respect the Constitution? You just call it part of some 18th century Utopia, as if that give you the right to force everyone else to conform to your vision of a 21st century Utopia.

      Your last paragraph is just pathetic. You don’t like Trump so just castigate him, and you pretend H. Clinton is somebody wonderful. Yet you never, ever bother to point to anything she has done to demonstrate she is qualified.

      Then you link to David Brooks, that so-called Conservative. What drivel! H. Clinton does it for the children, for women, for the old, for a long list of victims, but somehow she and her husband still pocket millions and millions.

      This is so absurd its funny.

      Clinton has contributed to the degradation too. As the James O’Keefe videos remind us, wherever Hillary Clinton has gone in her career, a cloud of unsavory people and unsavory behavior has traveled alongside. But she is right to emphasize that Trump is the greatest threat to moral capital in recent history and that the health of that capital is more fundamental than any particular policy position.

      Trump may have a foul mouth, but H. Clinton belongs in jail. Have you watched O’Keefe’s videos? Your hero columnist apparently did, but the New York Times still employs him because he so casually brushes them off. H. Clinton’s lawbreaking? Well, it is more important that Trump has said things that were not politically correct.

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      1. novascout

        Having read Brooks closely for many years, going back to his Buckley days, I think you owe him a bit more than calling his work “drivel”. I realize, Tom, that you are uncomfortable with conservative thought, but at least give us credit for articulating sound thought anchored on firm foundations going back roughly two centuries. Brooks is very much in that tradition. For all the flimsiness of modern, media-distorted political agitation, we are very fortunate to have an active core group of conservative writers who are holding to strong principles. Again, this would be a very depressing political season without Will, Gerson, Douthat, Parker, Brooks, Noonan, Goldberg, Krauthammer, Stephens and others. They just don’t go poof because old Tom in Gainesville calls their work “drivel.” These people have established their credentials firmly over time.

        It is a repetitive leitmotif (that may be redundant) of your comments that you use pejorative words to describe people and ideas that don’t fit your brittle structures of current political realities. You would do better to take on the ideas substantively, rather than resorting to disparagement or personal insults. Brooks is an intelligent and sincere conservative who has done a pretty good job over quite a long time of setting forth his conservative world-view. I think he holds up pretty well by comparison with what I see here.

        Scout.

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        1. @novaDemocrat

          I think he holds up pretty well by comparison with what I see here.

          I am flummoxed. I don’t know whether to be insulted or flattered. I know you intended an insult, but you compared me with one of your favorite professional writers.

          I will readily concede to being an amateur. So that’s something! Still, it was only David Brooks. So I don’t think there is any danger your flattery will go to my head.

          Thanks, anyway.

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      2. Tony

        Am I supposed to respect the idea of the violent overthrow of our constitutional government? Based upon what whining grievances? That we don’t always get our own way? Pray do tell to the people of the Middle East how beset we all are by the government when we freely practice our multitude of various religions and denominations of religions? Pray do tell the people in South and Central America suffering under drug lords and gang warfare how corrupt our system is? I’m sure that they will cry a river of tears for us?

        You want a list of achievements for President Obama. I can find you a longer list if you want, but I give you just four that, if he had done nothing else, would have made him one of the best presidents in history:

        1. 150,000 plus men and women of the US military are not now fighting and dying in a desert land stuck in the middle of someone else’s internecine religious war, and spending our children’s inheritance nation building our Jeffersonian democracy in a place where no one but the Jihadists want us because they believe that killing Crusaders will unite all Muslims under their stupid banner.

        2. The author of the deaths of 3,000 innocent civilian Americans, Osama Bin Laden, was shot in the head by Seal Team Six and his body was dumped in the ocean.

        3. More Americans have medical insurance today that ever before. My daughter, who has a preexisting medical problem can change jobs or lose her current job without losing her insurance for that illness. And we don’t have a single payer system, which is the inevitabld next alternative if Republicans don’t get behind this Republican think tank, market based compromise.

        4. President Obama inherited a global economic meltdown from the Republicans that was the worst since the Great Depression. You can look up the economic data yourself, but if one were to say we have not come a long way since then, he would just be being a disingenuous idiot.

        5. Do I respect the Constitution? Are you serious? What you present here is nothing but willful ignorance on everything about the Constitution. You don’t understand how the law works. You know zip about the development of the modern state. You refuse to learn how the Constitution changed after the Civil War. You don’t know the case law. You not only do not respect the Constitution,and although I love your passion for deluding yourself, you do not respect reality on this subject.

        People who want to return to the 18th Century always assume that they will be rich, landowning, slave holding, patrons like the Founders, and that they will have national rights that simply did not exist under the Constitution at that time. Unfortunately, most of us would not have any of these rights that we take for granted now. A third of us would be slaves. Half of us would be our husband’s property. Only a few of us would be eligible to vote or hold office.

        The Constitution is not just the amazing blue print that the Founders and Framers in 18th Century America laid down. It is every incremental thing that has happened since, both through bloody Civil War and amendment and through hundreds of volumes of real cases and controversies that, by law, had to be decided, and that immediately began changing the Constitution under the authority of the original Founders who drafted it. (Read Marbury vs. Madison and then read a book about what that seminal case really meant).

        You can learn the real living history and read the cases if you really want to have even a simple clue about the Consitution, but all you really have to do is assume that you were a slave, a common peasant worker, a woman, or even a Catholic in some these 18th Century United States of America, and then tell me, would you rather live under the Constitution that we had then, or would you prefer to live under the Consitution that we have now? 😟

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  6. novascout

    Given the amount of time you spend on this, Tom, a reading comprehension course might be a good investment. It could save you a lot of time running down rabbit holes. You referred to Mr. Brooks’s output as “drivel” and then pretend to be flattered by being unfavorably compared to what you regard to “drivel.” (?). Either you have some kind of self-loathing thing going on, or you simply don’t read well. My money’s on the latter. Pretty hard to figure for regular, daily users of the English Language, a medium you choose to work in.

    Scout

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  7. Tony

    Tom-

    I think I finally figured out why you like Trump even though he is an empty suit when it comes to either ideas or ideals. Trump doesn’t have any real substantive policies to do anything for America. Instead his rhetoric is mostly just negative. He is a blow hard like the Big Bad Wolf whose only voice is the hot air of destruction.

    Instead of “shooting my list full of holes” where is your list? Trump always says “repeal and replace Obamacare”, but with what? Trump says he is going to fix the Middle East in one fell swoop, “Bigly”, but exactly how, and with the lives of whose children? Trump’s rhetoric on the economy is even more empty, or else it is basically the same as Bernie Sanders wants and what President Obama could not get past the biggest “do nothing” Congress in history. What of Trump’s “yuge” economic proposals do you actually support? (Is it the part where he plans to spend four times more than Clinton on infrastructure, or is it the part where he slams the door on free trade?).

    Don’t just parrot Trump’s negative propaganda about one of our greatest Presidents, tell me what you would do to modernize America’s economy to grow the Middle Class in a globalized market? Seriously, how are you brilliantly going to fix the Middle East after George W. Bush destabilized it looking for those mythical weapons of mass destruction? Now that those great jobs with good benefits that unions fought for have gone overseas because of globalization, how are you going to make sure more Americans have access to basic health care, or is the best hope for someone else’s children to have the drugs they need to get well just reserved for the rich or those lucky enough to be employed sucking on the government teet?

    It’s so much easier to “shoot” someone else full of holes than it is to fix the holes you made.

    Anyway, as long as all you have is bullets instead of plowshares, here’s Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman’s take on the Obama record:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/opinion/learning-from-obama.html

    Hope you enjoy the target practice. 🙄

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    1. @Tony

      Applies to what you wrote here => https://citizentom.com/2016/10/20/ladies-why-isnt-this-growing-old/#comment-71307.

      I did not ask for Obama’s list of accomplishments. I asked for H. Clinton’s.

      When you think we have a living Constitution, your talk of a violent overthrow of our constitutional government is ironic. When your party has a reputation for fomenting violence, it is also hypocritical.

      1. ISIS is Obama’s and H. Clinton’s creation. The current mess in the Middle East is largely the result of a power vacuum. They left one, and some very bad actors stepped into it.

      2. Does killing one bad actor make up for the mess that is the Obama/Clinton foreign policy? Anyway, Navy Seals and intelligence agencies arranged the death of Osama, not Obama.

      3. Obamacare is clearly unconstitutional. No where does our Constitution make charity a government responsibility. If you had bothered to read The Federalist Papers, you would know why. The primary function of our government is to protect us from each other and from foreign threats. When we use our government to steal from each other — engage in rabid factionalism — we turn the government we created to protect us into the greatest threat to our lives, liberty, and property. Using your daughter as a excuse for such dishonest foolishness is just despicable. Supposedly, if I think Obamacare is wrong, I don’t care about your daughter. That’s bullshit! If something is wrong, it is wrong. Personalizing the matter that way just makes it harder to be objective.

      4. Still blaming Bush after eight years? Bush did not create the housing bubble. Bush did not instigate the subprime loans. Bush did not base our energy policies upon nonexistent global warming. What Bush is responsible for is being a “compassionate Conservative” who did not fight covetousness ideology promulgated by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media.

      5. Do you respect the Constitution? No. Do I want a return to the 18 Century? No. I just want a constitutional republic.

      I suspect you have read more than I. However, in recent years I have made a practice of reading historical documents. Have you read the Lincoln Douglass Debates, for example? By comparison, their debates make the farces we put on television altogether sickening.

      Have you read Politics by Aristotle? What you would learn is why the framers wanted a republic, not a democracy. What you would learn is why the framers had so little respect for democrats.

      Applies to what you wrote here => https://citizentom.com/2016/10/20/ladies-why-isnt-this-growing-old/#comment-71313

      It seems to me you have something confused. Just because you don’t like Trump’s ideas or value his accomplishments does not mean he does not have either.

      I have said nothing good about Trump? I have written about Trump, but I am not going search my blog for you.

      Obama has been in office almost eight years. My blog has been around since about the end of 2005. Since you have been a reader for awhile, I think you already know my dislike of Obama’s policies predate Trump. To state otherwise is dishonest.

      Seriously, how are you brilliantly going to fix the Middle East after George W. Bush destabilized it looking for those mythical weapons of mass destruction? Now that those great jobs with good benefits that unions fought for have gone overseas because of globalization, how are you going to make sure more Americans have access to basic health care, or is the best hope for someone else’s children to have the drugs they need to get well just reserved for the rich or those lucky enough to be employed sucking on the government teet?

      If the only answer that Democrats have is to blame Bush and demand more power, why exactly should anyone vote for them?

      Paul Krugman is Nobel Laureate? WOW! But so is Obama. And why? He was supposed to bring world peace. Really! How much proof do we need that the Nobel prize is just a Liberal Democrat’s stamp of approval?

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      1. Tony

        My responses to your numbers above:

        1. I disagree. ISIS is the direct result of the Neocons in the Bush administration lying to the American people so as to inject 150,000 plus American troops into Iraq on a nation building scheme that they advertised as wanting to do before they even came into office. This was the “but for” and the proximate cause of ISIS.

        Once the American people realized that they had been lied to, they wanted us out of being in the middle of someone else’s religious war. Not only that, the elected government of Iraq wanted us out and refused to give President Bush a status of forces agreement so as to remain there. President Obama was elected over Clinton to a great extent on his promise to extricate us from that internecine religious mess, and to the extent that it is possible to keep us out of that mess and still protect our strategic interests he has. Why do you think that it is America’s job to send our children to fight and die to fix every intractable problem in the world. Don’t we have enough problems at home that need fixing. Oh, I forgot, your version of our government does not empower it to fix our own problems, just everybody else’s.

        If the Trump’s argument is that we left a power vacuum that gave rise in ISIS were anything more than propaganda, then why is it that no one, including Trump, wants to refill that vacuum by sending 150,000 troops back into Iraq. I know – Trump knows more than the generals – he has a “secret” plan. 😜

        2. Obama was accountable for the raid. If it had been screwed up you would have blamed him, now wouldn’t you? You’re not giving him credit is therefore disingenuous, and you know it.

        3. Your concept of the Constitution is too ignorant to respond to. Yes, every first year law student has read the Federalist Papers. Now go out and read more of the history of what the Federalist Papers were actually about, and what that antique 18th Century debate was all about. Read all the case law, then until now. Read something about what the 14th Amendment means and how it turned the Constitution on it’s head.

        The Constitution, by design of those lawyer Founders is not just what happened in the 18th Century. It is everything that happened through bloody Civil War, through an Industrial Revolution, through dramatic Amendment, and through volumes of case law since then. If you want to live as a surf or a slave, with no national rights, in some mythical 18th Century America, then go found your own country somewhere. We already fought all those wars to get rid of all that. I love our country just the way it is and I sure do not want to live in Aristotle’s version of an enlightened monarchy either. Do you, seriously? 😒

        Obamacare was essentially hatched in a Republican think tank as a market based insurance reform compromise because Republicans saw that the rest of the industrialized world had already gone to socialized medicine. That is the only real alternative to Obamacare you know. Trump is a populist demagogue, not a constitutional originalist ideologue. If Trump gets elected, that is what he will replace Obamacare with because no Republican, including you, has a better idea.

        And yes, I must be “despicable” because I don’t want my daughter to lose her health care and go into bankruptcy. The point, however, is that my daughter is not alone. We have a health care crisis in this country that effects many, many people personally.

        4. The economy was what it was when President Obama inherited it from eight years of Republican mismanagement. The economy is better now. That is a fact that you can dance around all you want, but it is still an inconvenient truth for Republicans none the less.

        5. We HAVE a constitutional republic Tom. And it is pretty damn wonderful by any historical or world standard. I am constantly amazed at your ignorance about what we actually have and just exactly how good we have it comparison to anything before including in our own history, especially including your revisionist dreams 18th Century utopia that never was. The republic that we have was built upon the backs of slaves and average laborers living and working in horrid conditions, and it changed to fix those problems. It is every terrible thing that it has experienced and every positive incremental change that it has undergone to fix those terrible things. If our constitutional repubublic were not living and changing as it was designed to live and change, then it would just be dead.

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        1. @Tony

          Still nothing to say about H. Clinton?

          1. I have told you before; I don’t know how to fix the Middle East. When Bush invaded, I did not like it, but I did not have a better idea. You accuse Bush of lying and me of hypocrisy. Well, I don’t think Bush lied, but I am guilty of hypocrisy, just not as accused.

          Think about the fact you called it somebody else’s religious war. Saddam Hussein had started two wars, and he used gas warfare. Radical Islam is at war with everyone. It has been that way since the days of Mohammad.

          We have strategic interests in the Middle East. No getting around it. Does that mean we have to engage in nation building? No, but it had worked before. By comparison, the Obama/Clinton Arab Springs was lunatic. It was like watching children play with matches in a fireworks factory.

          What purpose was served by abruptly pulling out our troops? Yeah, I know the excuse, but that’s all it was. We knew exactly what would happen, and so did the Iraqi leadership. God did not have to send us a prophet.

          Obama’s policies have strengthened Iran far beyond any rational explanation. Trump pointed that out in the debate, and the best you can do is criticize Trump’s secret plan. Frankly, I am far more concerned about the strange things Obama has done. What he and H. Clinton have done only makes sense if they hate our country, or they are working for someone else.

          2. Credit for killing Osama? Sure, Obama can have it. Should we count his foreign policy successes in terms of dead bodies? Why not? In that case, he has been quite successful. The Russians, the Syrians, ISIS and so forth have killed lots of people.

          Obama doesn’t even have the honesty to call ISIS’ killing of religious minorities genocide. Too busy pointing to Osama, I guess.
          http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-genocide-christians-persecution-report-state-department-investigates-evidence-159117/print.html

          3.

          Your concept of the Constitution is too ignorant to respond to.

          And then you respond.
          🙄
          Since your response was purely emotional, I don’t know what else to say. You act like the world was invented yesterday. We did not have have a health care system before the Federal government started messing it up?

          4. To a small extent the economy may better now, but that is no thanks to Obama. What has he done other than pile up debt? How long before another bubble bursts?

          Obama takes credit for our increased production of oil and the benefit to the economy. Then he works to stop fracking. And you don’t accuse him of hypocrisy?

          Obamacare is just one of the many drags the Democrats have put on the economy, and it is already going bankrupt.

          5. Do we still have a constitutional republic? After Augustus Caesar took charge of the Roman Empire, did the Romans still have their republic? No doubt there were folks who said they did. After all, that’s was politically correct.

          When someone wants to believe a lie, it is easy to lie to them. In fact, for the sake of their favorite liar, they may even justify her lies. You most assuredly know how that works.

          Here is what I said to novaDemocrat => https://citizentom.com/2016/10/20/ladies-why-isnt-this-growing-old/#comment-71352
          I see no reason why the same words won’t work for you.

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  8. novascout

    Tom – why do you describe health care as “charity”? The point of a national health care policy is not to dispense charity, but to protect national economic interests. It’s a complex subject on which there can be a wide range of opinions as to what is effective and what is consistent with national capabilities and objectives, but health care isn’t simply a big “gimme.” All advanced industrial economies recognize that their economic, political and physical security depend on an effective health care infrastructure, whether largely or even completely government driven (as in Soviet Russia or China) or in varying degrees of public/private partnership (as in most Western Democracies). The last word has clearly not been uttered on this in the United States. The Affordable Care Act is looking less affordable this premium cycle. But government involvement in health care has never been found to be “unconstitutional” in this country, and likely never will be. What we call “Obamacare” was a relatively modest tweak of the pre-existing system of relying on private employers to pay for health care benefits in whole or part, but required (ineffectively it turns out) everyone to get in the risk pool in order to try to bend the absurd cost curves that we all face with private insurers. Everyone didn’t get in, despite tax penalties, and insurers now have to raise premia to compensate for the increase in higher risk/higher cost new enrollees. Trump claims to have a solution (interstate competition), but most knowledgeable people regard that as unlikely to have a major impact on the underlying problem of trying to beat the gasping donkey of the private employer cohort to pay for the majority of Americans’ health care.

    And, yes, Paul Krugman received a Nobel Prize in Economics. Obama’s award was the Peace Prize. Bob Dylan just won a Nobel for literature. These are all different recognitions. You and I probably agree (President Obama might also) that his particular award was somewhat wishful. But of the many awards given in many areas, none detracts from the merits of another. Not everything is county politics.

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    1. The point of a national health care policy is not to dispense charity, but to protect national economic interests.

      That’s truly funny! We are drowning in debt to protect our national economic interests?
      😆

      Did I say the Supreme Court had found Obamacare unconstitutional? No. Can the Supreme Court make the Constitution say something it does not say? No. Does the Constitution authorize Congress to do anything the even remotely looks like Obamacare? If it does, then please point it out. Cause there is this little amendment in the Bill of Rights that plainly states that Congress is only authorized to do what the Constitution chartered it to do. Therefore, when Congress does something the Constitution does not say it can do, and the Supreme Court says that’s okay, I have a problem with that, and I feel sorry for you that you don’t.

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  9. novascout

    We’ve had this discussion many times. The genius and gift of the Constitution is that it was drafted generally by visionaries in a manner that enables it to have relevance centuries after the ink went on the parchment. The document has worn well across many changes in the country. I have no doubt that it can continue to do so.

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    1. @novaDemocrat

      More of that living Constitution crap, but then you say you are a Conservative. And that is not true either.

      The whole point of the Constitution is to define the powers of the Federal Government. The genius of the Constitution is that it pitted various parts of the government against each other, creating checks and balances enforced by the government itself. Therefore, to seize power the power mad had to amend the Constitution to remove some those checks.

      Now, however, the power mad just get their judicial appointees to say the Constitution says something it doesn’t say. Then they point to the judges and tell those who still bother to read the plain language of the Constitution that we are ignorant if we believe it says what it plainly says. Yet, when you spew your crap you have to point to lying judges. You can never point to the Constitution itself.

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  10. Tony

    Still nothing good to say about Trump, except that he is not Clinton? That is pretty much the whole platform of “The Radical Party of No”.

    I already know what you don’t like. I already know what you would tear down. But even you don’t know what you want. You have no solutions. Only criticisms. That is why “The Radical Party of No”, this thing that has replaced the Republican Party that is neither Republican nor conservative in any traditional sense, cannot actually govern. An earlier radical manifestation of this reoccurring disease in American politics was the “Know Nothing Party”. Now it is more like the “Radical No to Everything Party”, but we’ll just call it the “Radical Party of No” or “Noers” for short.

    Such a party cannot actually govern by definition because screaming “no” all the time solves nothing. What you Noers really like about Trump is his promises to tear things down. However, if Trump actually got elected, one has to believe that he would try to govern, but the first time that he did, “The Radical Party of No” would turn on him. He would be forced to go to the Democrats to actually govern, and that is how we would get massive new infrastructure projects and that is how the populist Trump would repeal and replace Obamacare with Trumpcare’s single payer system. The fact is that anybody that your Party of Noers elected would be bound to disappoint you once they tried to do anything constructive.

    So I think you should just quit the facade of calling yourself a Republican or a conservative, which you are not in any historic sense, and call yourself what you really are Tom, a member of the new, hate our form of government and want to tear it down “Radical Party of No”. 🙃

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    1. @Tony

      You are either just flailing or wholly deluded. I don’t know which.

      I have had both bad and good things to say about Trump. In this post I posted a video of one of his speeches => https://citizentom.com/2016/10/24/presidential-pros-and-cons-identity-politics/.
      He gives his agenda for the first 100 days. I think even you would like some of his proposals.

      Am I a member of the “radical party of no”? In one sense I am. To the extent you and your party want to violate the Constitution, I have no problem saying no.

      Government exists to protect us from each other (protecting our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) and from foreign threats. What you call governing has almost nothing to do with protect our rights or protecting our nation from foreign threats. What you call governing looks more like various groups imposing their wants on everyone else. When we think we have the right to impose our wants upon others, we can be trapped into joining and supporting the majoritarian tyranny that is Socialism.

      When we start using it to run each others lives, we just make government worse than useless. The Federal Budget is exploding. The checks and balances in the Constitution are failing. Because so many are fighting to make the government serve their personal purposes, we are at each others throats, and that is by design. In fact, you voted for the candidate most expert and most determine to pit us against each other. And deep down you know it. That is why you find it impossible to point to anything positive she has done. You know she is crooked.

      That’s why you are angry. If you were certain what you say is true, you would be moved to pity, not anger.

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      1. Tony

        Funny that you think that I am angry. Why would I be angry? Your Noer Party is losing. The Democratic Party and, more important, Democracy is winning.

        The American people are doing the right thing. We are rejecting the Noer’s radical negative extremism that wants to tell us how awful that the greatest country in the history of human civilization is, that wants to tell everyone what America cannot do, and that has a warped Know Nothing sense of the constitutional juris prudence that has not been (and for all practical purposes could not be) followed since the earliest days of our republic. Even if your Radical Party of No got power over all three branches of government, it would either disappoint you because it would have to try to govern, or it would refuse to govern, as your “do nothing Congress” had done for most of Obama’s presidency so it was bound to eventually be rejected.

        American democracy is a messy system of checks and balances. The Radical Party of No will diminish and the Republican Party will transform, or it will die to become something else. Even the Democratic Party will need to transform because its failure to respond effectively to globalization has lost Democrats a good bit of the faith of the middle class working people that have suffered terribly as good paying union jobs have been outsourced.

        I was worried for a while that the angry old white crackpots that mostly make up the The Radical Party of No were about to put a populist demagogue in charge, but I am daily more convinced that everything is happening as it should in our democracy, so yes, I’m pretty happy. 😅

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        1. So you are absolutely certain H. Clinton will win? I rate that on par with this bit of “truth: => https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/everything-you-read-on-the-internet-is-true/

          In almost every election the polls start to tighten. That is, they get close to the truth. Why? Well, if they were completely wrong just before the election then people would understand they were so biased they don’t have much value.

          Who is going to win? I don’t know. Time will tell. Whatever God wills will be.

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  11. Tony

    Let’s make a bet on it Tom. If Trump gets elected President. I’ve got a Mexican paid for wall that I’ll give you. 😉

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