IT IS ALL TRUE, BUT IT IS STILL A LIE?

newsThe Washington Post is not my favorite paper. I don’t buy it any more.  However, when a commenter (here) left a link to this article, Trump supporters’ false claim that Trump U judge is a member of a pro-immigrant group, I had to chuckle. In spite of title of the article, the content of the article proves that Trump supporters claim that the Trump U judge is a member of a pro-immigrant group is altogether true.

The standard politician avoids tagging anyone except white guys as racists. Supposedly, only white guys can be racists. That proposition is, of course, racist, but the almighty news media enforces it ruthlessly. Why? The Democratic Party wants to use the government to reward its supporters based upon race. In fact, the Democratic Party wants to use the government to reward its supporters based upon race (non-white), sex (female), gender preference (anything except straight), religion (secular or non-Christian),  disability (disabled), age (old and greedy or young and gullible), wealth (poor or filthy rich), and so forth. Therefore, the Democrats seem bent upon transforming America into a third world country. The world has an abundance of poor non-white people, and their votes are cheaply bought.

You think that is absurd claim? Then consider that Washington Post article carefully. That article affirms that the Trump U judge is a member of a race conscious organization that awarded a scholarship to an illegal alien. Yet it accuses the people who say that of being liars. The Washington Post reports the facts and then seeks to explain them all away. Here are a couple of examples.

  • “La Raza” which means “The Race” is supposedly an innocuous expression Latinos use to describe themselves. Really? Try googling the term before the controversy over the Trump U judge. Here is a handy link, “la raza”.  And don’t forget the obvious. When whites start organizing based upon racial identity, everyone calls it evil. Other than skin color, what is the difference?
  • When the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association Scholarship Fund gave a scholarship to an illegal immigrant applicant they did not know the student was here illegally. Their excuse? They did not ask. Since California is a sanctuary state, we really have no idea how many illegal immigrants the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association Scholarship Fund provided scholarships. One could be a low estimate.

Do Liberal Democrat news media outfits care about the truth, or do they care about  winning on their issues?  Consider again the fact California is a sanctuary state and why.  It is about power. Think about the fact that judge is an Obama appointee. Does anybody seriously believe Obama is going to let the Constitution get between him and what he wants. The Constitution has not stopped Obama with respect to illegal immigration. Would it stop his appointees?

The Constitution has not stopped the Democrats in California with respect to illegal immigration. California is a sanctuary state. Yet Obama and those Democrat politicians in California swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. Does The Washington Post have any interest in holding them accountable? No.

So what should we make of The Washington Post award of Four Pinocchios? Hypocrites!

21 thoughts on “IT IS ALL TRUE, BUT IT IS STILL A LIE?

  1. It doesn’t matter that the judge belongs to an advocacy group to advance the causes of those sharing his ethnic heritage, because there is no evidence to support Trump’s assertion it makes him unable to decide cases based on the law. In fact, there’s plenty of evidence from his record as judge and prosecutor that he chooses the law over and above the interests of “his people” if the two are in conflict.

    Female judges can be members of the League of Women Voters, black judges can be members of the NAACP, and the Catholic members of our Supreme Court can and do belong to Catholic organizations. It’s only when you assert that it means such judges can’t decide based on law, that it’s racist. A racist view means you assume a person’s ethnicity is unavoidably their foremost consideration, coloring and dictating every decision they make.

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    1. @Invisible Mikey

      When I was in the military, the government insisted that I avoid even the appearance of impropriety. That standard is obviously something politicians do not apply to themselves.

      “La Raza” means “The Race”. If you want to soft-peddle it as referring to something else, that is your choice, but I think your observation merely points out a correlation between racial and cultural heritage.

      Of course, we all have the right to belong to organizations, clubs, associations, and so forth. At the same time we also have the right to observe what those organization say and do. If an organization says and does things we find troubling, we have a good reason to believe that its members will probably say and do things we would find troubling.

      What we believe makes a difference. For example, when JFK ran for president, he had to reassure voters that they would not find his membership in the Catholic Church incompatible with his duties as president. Frankly, even though I was raised as a Catholic, I do not think it was unreasonable for some voters to be concerned.

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      1. There’s still a world of difference between the appearance of impropriety, and an act of impropriety. Impugning what La Raza does is irrelevant! Where is the evidence the judge’s social association has affected his rulings? That’s what Trump is accusing Curiel of, and he’s also saying that having any heritage, ethnicity or religion MUST inevitably dictate and color one’s judgment.

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        1. If someone belongs to an organization I don’t trust, I don’t trust him. If someone belongs to the Nazi Party of America, I don’t trust that someone. If someone belongs to an organization that calls itself The Race, gets nominated for their job by Obama, and appears to be promoting illegal immigration, I don’t trust that man to be impartial with respect to a candidate who clearly does not support a massive influx of poor, ignorant, dark skinned voters.

          The United States is a fluke. Who knows when the conditions for formation of a republic may occur again. Our education system is failing us. Unbelievably reckless for increased power, politicians like Obama would swamp our society with ignorant people who know nothing about how to run a republic.

          Do I trust Donald Trump? No, but as far as I am concerned, in this case you are requiring the wrong man to defend himself.

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        2. No, just as in a legal case, the one making the accusation (Trump) has the burden of proof for any charges he makes. We pride ourselves in this country upon offering to all accused the presumption of innocence. YOU may prefer to follow the justice model operating in other countries (the presumption of guilt), but it’s not a very American thing to do.

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        3. The judge is our employee. We are not putting him on trial. D. Trump is the one whose case is in that judge’s court. He wants the judge to recuse himself, and all he has charged that judge with is bias.

          How do we prove bias? Well, I suppose unless that unless the accused party is an angry white male, it is not possible. You read minds? I don’t. When biased people refuse to admit their bias, they may say stuff that makes no sense, but mostly they just run you around in circles. However, the guilt of angry white males is presumed. So proof is not necessary.

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        4. Trump accused the judge of unfairness (impropriety based on his ethnicity), so yes, he is attempting to try him in the “court of public opinion”. That’s generally considered unwise, to impugn a judge’s motives publicly instead of leaving that accusation to your legal advocates. And his lawyers have not filed any accusations against Curiel at all.

          Personally, I do not presume guilt by a standard of emotion, only behavior. Angry people may do nothing, so there is no guilt to be assumed.

          Curiel has a record both as judge and as prosecutor. You have to single out cases in which his rulings have been overturned for legal cause, or his actions as an attorney have been reprimanded and upheld to prove bias.

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        5. Actually, I don’t have to do any of that. Have you considered the standards used in the courts these days?

          No matter what I say, you will just raise the bar higher and higher. My point is that we have a double standard, and you have yet to challenge it.

          Imagine a WASP judge appointed by a Republican who belongs to the KKK sitting on a trial that involves H. Clinton. What would you be saying then?

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        6. The judge’s apparent assignment of a pro-Clinton lawyer as trustee of evokes an aroma of bias.

          Judges often recuse themselves over the mere appearance of impropriety. This is what the recusal process is for. The judge admits no guilt, but a judge who recuses himself explicitly admits that the circumstances look bad.

          I would note that the media assume that Mexican-Americans will be against Trump in all other contexts, but complain vociferously about this one. Just as they do when asserting that the black 95%-100% vote for Obama has nothing to do with race.

          Incidentally, the business is not called Trump University, it is the “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.” It was called Trump University early on, but was changed when this name received complaints. Prager University and Khan Academy (both of which are excellent series of YouTube videos) might be in the same situation. The Trump University name is evidently being used to provoke a negative reaction from the public.

          High net worth individuals receive offers from businesses like this almost daily. And there are countless wealth creation seminars offered across the country just like this one. Perhaps the most famous current one is the “Rich Dad Poor Dad” series.

          They cost lots of money, thousands to tens of thousands of dollars. Almost everyone gets revved up by the opportunities, but rarely get it in gear to take advantage of them. So, most people “fail” in the sense of not accomplishing what they hoped to. It is easy to then feel that the initial decision was bad, rather than the later decisions not to take the actions learned. From “bad initial decision” it is a short buyer’s remorse hop to suggest that you must have been cheated, and that seems to be the basis of these suits.

          I don’t know of any allegations that the course materials were not provided or taught. These are failures to accept responsibility for a buying decision, it seems to me.

          For most people, these seminars are a bad idea. But if you know yourself to be ready to put the effort in to succeed, these seminars can open the door to success. Sure, only 5% or so will be successful with them. But if you are in that 5%, go for it!

          And as an aside, I think that Trump is a poor choice indeed for president. But he is the third-worst choice, with Clinton and Johnson ahead of him. We are to choose among a corrupt kleptocrat, a big-government not-really-Libertarian, and a boastful trade trasher: Corruption Cash, Cannabis Clown and Tariff Touter.

          ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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  2. In a tyranny, justice is the advantage of the stronger.

    So concepts like “Constitution” and “human rights” are just meaningless words.

    Americans by and large still think the government-corporate crony-main stream media complex is some sort of crazy joke.

    It may all seem stupid to us because of our bottom up point of view.

    But stupid is the coin of the realm in a tyranny.

    It does almost as much to keep the People down as a police state.

    That’s coming next and by then it will be way too late.

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  3. CT: re your 10 June comment at 2145 hours: I don’t think it’s clear that Mr. Trump does want Judge Curiel to recuse himself. He certainly hasn’t moved for that result and, as frequently happens in litigation, Trump has gotten some favorable rulings from the Judge along with some that he apparently isn’t too thrilled about. But if he wanted the judge to recuse himself, he would have so moved at some point in the past couple of years that the judge has had the case.

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    1. Keith made this observation.

      And as an aside, I think that Trump is a poor choice indeed for president. But he is the third-worst choice, with Clinton and Johnson ahead of him. We are to choose among a corrupt kleptocrat, a big-government not-really-Libertarian, and a boastful trade trasher: Corruption Cash, Cannabis Clown and Tariff Touter. (from => https://citizentom.com/2016/06/09/it-is-all-true-but-it-is-still-a-lie/#comment-69599)

      You want to accuse Trump of racism? Have at it. To ignore the identity politics and hypocritical antics of the Democrats and then accuse Trump of racism is just absurd.

      Should Trump have brought up the subject? Time will tell. Many think he would have been better served to focus on his differences with H. Clinton. However, instead of staying on a message, the man tends to say what he thinks. To say the least, that makes him interesting, but interesting is not the same as comforting.

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  4. I guess it’s that reading thing you’ve struggled with, Tom.

    I said that it was not clear that Mr. Trump wanted (contrary to your earlier comment) the Judge to recuse himself. My point was that if he wanted that, he could have taken that shot at any time over the past couple of years. I didn’t say that I “wanted to accuse Trump of racism.” You made that up.

    I do think his comments were anti-American, showed disrespect for the Constitution and the judiciary, and gratuitously embroiled Trump in a private issue that shouldn’t be part of the campaign at a time when he could have been focussing on Mrs. Clinton’s manifold vulnerabilities. He undermined the core notion that I think most Americans still hold sacred that we are Americans, not some unaffiliated, unalloyed tribal mob. The judge is not “Mexican” any more than Trump (or I) are Germans.

    He could have left all that unsaid and had a good week. So could have the Republican Party. Instead, he ended up looking bad, the recent endorsements (however tepid) that he had garnered in the previous days from Republicans began to look meaningless, and Republicans all up and down the ballot began to get queasy. All completely avoidable.

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    1. @Scout or novascout or whoever you are

      If it were not so pathetic, desperate, and characteristic of our nation, you would be funny.

      He undermined the core notion that I think most Americans still hold sacred that we are Americans, not some unaffiliated, unalloyed tribal mob. The judge is not “Mexican” any more than Trump (or I) are Germans.

      I think identity politics (=> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity-politics) predates Donald Trump by a few years. In fact, I think Trump just displayed those New York values he acquired in that Democrat stronghold of New York.

      What Trump is guilty of is failing to be politically correct. Even when all he said was perfectly true, he still failed to observe the rule that only Democrats are allowed to play the race card. Why do expect him to behave differently? The poor man is still making an adjustment, from being a nominal Democrat to being a nominal Republican

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      1. I take your quite valid point, Keith, that Trump is in transition from being a nominal Dem to being a nominal R. But to answer your question directly, I expect him to behave differently because he is seeking the office of the Presidency of the United States.

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    2. Why is it that you progressives have no problem with identity politics when it suits you?

      Or are you going to assert that no black person born in the US can call him- or herself an African-American?

      Was the lead shooter at San Bernardino simply an “American” because he was born here, with nothing else to learn about his background or ethnicity?

      And Mateen, the Orlando killer, was just an “American ” too, is that right?

      Would it matter to you that each of these had become part of “controversial” organizations based in substantial part on their ethnicity as well as their religion? And that the judge in question, who would consider himself a full-blooded Mexican I am sure, voluntarily joined a La Raza organization?

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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      1. Background can be important, Keith. I’m not without impacts in my nature and outlook because of my German heritage on my mother’s side or the Quaker strain on my father’s side. I’m sure each of this could acknowledge something similar. But I and my family, even those who came here as children in the 19th Century, always identified as Americans first, served in the Armed Forces, and felt that the unity of purpose that was part of the sinews of the Republic depended on our granting our fellow citizens the right to feel the same way and be regarded as Americans first. When Trump calls an Indianan a Mexican because of his surname, particularly a federal judge, he flails directly at the Rule of Law. We conservatives bridle at that.

        As you can imagine, I am not particularly keen about racial and ethnic social clubs, political organizations, etc. On the other hand, I am not part of an ethnic group that has had recent troubles gaining acceptance from the rest of society or been the victim of systematic exclusion and discrimination. If I were Jewish, Arab, African-American, or Hispanic (just to name some examples of groups where irrational hatred from the general population has been a problem), I might feel somewhat differently – I don’t know. So I kind of hold my breath on those sorts of things on the theory that their experience has been considerably more difficult than that which my family experienced. I work with lawyers who are members of Asian-American Bar groups, Hispanic bar groups (including the group that Judge Curiel has been involved with) and Muslim bar groups. I have never had any reason to question that these people view their primary allegiance as being the same as mine – to the United States and its Constitution. We have all taken a similar oath (it varies slightly form jurisdiction to jurisdiction) to defend and protect the Constitution.

        Neither you nor I know Judge Curiel personally (I assume) but I very much doubt your assertion that the Judge “would consider himself a full-blooded Mexican. . .” I’m not sure whether you are talking breeding stock there (which I think is irrelevant), or dedication to his oath of office (which neither you nor I have any empirically based reason to question).

        In another thread, I asked Tom if he could point to any rulings by the Judge that indicated that the man was a racist. He has not done so. If you or anyone else has such examples, I would look at the issue further.

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