Like most such posts, “Yep” generated comments more interesting than the post itself, and it is certainly worth perusing. However, because it is important, I am going focus upon something that wasn’t said.
john zande got the discussion going with this comment.
Aliens, though, don’t break any natural laws. So, why is it unreasonable to believe aliens could exist? (from here)
Why is it easier to assume miraculous technology exists than it is to believe in God?
When we speak of traveling light-years through interstellar space, we are talking about technology way beyond what we can achieve. We can only speculate how we might go to nearby stars, and that is about it.
With the passage of time, will our technology advance? I suppose so, but it is like the stock market. Pass performance does not necessarily predict future results.
I say this after having worked as a military officer doing launch calculations for the Space Shuttle. No, I don’t really consider myself a rocket scientist, but I did have to gain an appreciation of what is currently possible.
The headache with science and engineering is that usually only a few people have a good grasp of how things work with in any particular area of technology. Do even some of these people have the intellectual prowess to put together an interstellar spacecraft? Is it possible? What would be required to build it? Does any life form with the capability to build such a contraption even exist? We haven’t a clue. (from here)
Zande replied with these two comments.
“Why is it easier to assume miraculous technology exists than it is to believe in God?
Because technology exists, and our technology today would appear somewhat “miraculous” to people just 70 years ago. That’s not to say they couldn’t understand it. They could, because it doesn’t break any natural laws. It’s reasonable and would simply require some explanation as to the engineering. Such an explanation would not contain the word, “magic,” nor require a creative excuse.
Is that particularly difficult for you to understand? (from here)
*…nor require a creative excuse that demands “faith”, which is belief without evidence. (from here)
Is Zande really interested in proof that God exists or that He created us? That seems doubtful. Think about his emphasis on obedience to natural laws. He speaks of this, the fact that the existence of aliens would not break any natural laws, four times in the post. Yet there is something innately absurd in this point. Because He is the Creator, God makes those natural laws. That is, God established what we call natural laws. When we model the relationships between various causes and effects, God is responsible for both the existence and behavior of what we model.
Consider how Jesus proved He is God. Didn’t He perform miracles? Didn’t He control the weather, turn water into wine, and heal untold numbers of people? Didn’t He bring the dead back to life? Didn’t He bring Himself back to life after His death upon a cross? Are we suppose to ignore all that just because Jesus broke “natural laws,” or should we observe the obvious? Jesus must be God. His creation does whatever He wants it to do.
Psalm 8 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Glory of the Lord in Creation
To the Chief Musician. On the instrument of Gath. A Psalm of David.
8 O Lord, our Lord,
How excellent is Your name in all the earth,
Who have set Your glory above the heavens!
2 Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants
You have ordained strength,
Because of Your enemies,
That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained,
4 What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels,
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen—
Even the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the air,
And the fish of the sea
That pass through the paths of the seas.
9 O Lord, our Lord,
How excellent is Your name in all the earth!
Yes, God made us master of this little place we call Earth. Is that sufficient cause to get big heads? To prove He exists, must God now conform to our rules of evidence?
For those who are willing to look, there is evidence God exists, but we can only find Him in humility. We have to look at His Creation and be awed. Instead of demanding that the universe obey the laws He enforces — that we only discovered — we must admit the universe does whatever God demands. He is its Creator. And because His Creation does obey Him, that is how we know God is God. That is how He once chose to reveal Himself to us as Christ Jesus.