WE ARE WHAT WE ARE

marriageWith apologies to Dopey is a post by ColorStorm that comments on emerald isle’s decision to legalize something that does not exist, same-sex marriage. The phrase itself is an oxymoron.  Hence  observes:

So here it is in all its colorless glory: Same sex marriage is Disneyesque, where magic and enchantment are paraded just like Snow White and her short friends. Poof! The ability to alter words and the agreement by the masses to celebrate the changing of a time-tested institution, in what was once unbelievable, is now believable and according to Ireland, has officially been made credible. (from here)

Of course, ‘s post stirred up a good discussion. That include a post on another blog. siriusbizinus tried to counter ‘s post with this misleading little volley, MY GOD WILL HAVE ITS REVENGE. I am afraid ‘s post will be effective with those who don’t bother to read ‘s post and have little familiarity with the Bible. So I will deal with it here.
Since  led with the graphic below (supposedly, it represents Biblical marriage), let’s focus on it (to read the graphic, click on it).
marriage (2)Other marriage arrangements do occur in the Bible, but the Bible — God — heartily endorses only what we call traditional marriage.  One commenter on this graphic put it this way.

In one sense the graphic is “true”. The Bible does present all these, and more (some arguably worse) patterns of marriage. It is also true that God chose to work in and through many of these. Just looking at Abraham (the “father” of the three monotheistic religions) or Jacob (aka “Israel”) makes it clear that God does not turn aside from some convoluted and perverse human arrangements in choosing who to use as a channel of grace.

But, do any of these represent “a biblical view of marriage”. Hell no! It is time for some stakes in the ground. In terms of the teaching of Scripture it is clear that Gen 2 is a privileged text (Jesus and Paul both cite it when discussing marriage). This passage, and the teaching of Jesus and Paul make some basics clear:

Marriage:

  • was ordained by God
  • is the union of a man and a woman
    • produces and nurtures the next generation
    • provides necessary partnership

(from here)

Why did God permit the nontraditional marriages? Why does God permit us to divorce? As Jesus explained, the problem lies within us.

Matthew 19:3-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” They *said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?” He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Given the title of ‘s post, I suppose we also have to consider the subject of God’s vengeance. Did  say anything about God’s taking revenge? No. He referred to the Irish’s prime minister’s speech in support of same-sex “marriage.”

Here is what  said.

But back up to the prime ministers allegation. The giving of rights and approving same-sex marriage is proof of our ‘generosity and compassion.’ This is typical speech that hands out candy to someone who is starving, something that will never satisfy, will always leave a hunger, and is purely driven by an emotional appeal to the prurient, guaranteed to have disastrous results to individuals, as well as the island itself, (ahem, in time.)

As one commenter observed, some people cannot see what  is saying.

insanitybytes22

May 24, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Handing out candy to the starving, that’s it precisely. There is cruelty there and so many people can’t even see it.

What  is saying is that the people who show their concern for homosexuals by approving of their conduct actually do them the most harm. Homosexuals do not have a right to marry someone of the same sex. How can anyone have the right to force other people to respect a lie — to respect as real something that does not in fact exist?

Think about what it means to spoil a child. Instead of helping a child by correcting it, we let that child have its way. Thus, that child never learns self-discipline. Similarly, when we enable homosexual behavior (just to avoid childish howls of protest), we enable self-destructive behavior.  Hence, God’s revenge is what comes from a lack of self-discipline and so-called caring friends.

16 thoughts on “WE ARE WHAT WE ARE

  1. Maybe you can clarify, Tom. How can Colorstorm “guarantee” that disastrous results will transpire for Ireland by legalizing same-sex marriage? Where does the underpinning in Christian thought justify that part of the simile the original author used?

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    1. Long ago we started instituting welfare policies mostly in the black community, marched feminism through, and created no fault divorce. I was just a kid at the time, but I remember a couple of black preachers saying, “forgive them father for they know not what they do.” There words were based on Christian values, but also on common sense. These so called compassionate polices, intentional or not, were a form of social engineering designed to remove fathers from families and to create dependence on government, therefore weakening an entire community and helping it to self destruct. Today in the black community we see the fruits of that work, rampant poverty, unemployment, black on black crime, single parents well over 70%, lost children.

      Marriage between a man and a woman is vitally important for economies, the community, children. There are natural consequences,unpleasant ones that always come into play when we decide we’re going to “fair things up” without having any respect for why things are the way they are.

      Love really calls us to think things through, to pay attention to what we’re doing, to what is being done to us. This isn’t about inheriting property at all, that has never been more complicated then writing a will. Those are deceptions Sirius, designed to invoke your pity and support for policies that will actually harm a great number of people, including children.

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  2. I’m really glad Citizen Tom you mentioned the careless usage of the word ‘revenge’ by he who linked.
    Your work is kinda hard to refute. Very well done..
    You diagrammed the sentence masterfully. You got to the root of the tree, and laid it bare with the axe of common sense and truth.
    You are correct too, as well as the thoughtful insanitybytes22, in that there is far too much to this ‘celebration’ than meets the eye.
    Time will prove the great wrongness of the short lived happiness, and God’s word will have the final say.
    Appreciate your excellent collating of the points made by all. You have a knack at this sort of thing 😉

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  3. To endorse the graphic, to declare that whatever is IN the Bible is commanded by God is a fundamental error we see all the time. Its cause is a fundamental non-comprehension of God, His nature, the nature of relationship, and more. It’s only made by people who have never taken even a little time to understand that which they spend their adult lives criticizing.
    One has to believe that God is the puppeteer and we are the puppets, or former puppet rebels who’ve cut our strings. It’s a shallow and simple understanding of our relationship with God. It ignores our individuality and humanity. It sees God as only autocrat. It dos not comprehend relationship at all.

    And miss that God actually treats us with what seems like respect. He treats us like adults. We have all the power to choose and he never encroaches upon it or violates our freedom. At the same time he is honest with us about the consequences of our choices. We have no excuses.

    The Bible is indeed full of sinners who led very messy lives. Yet some of them, even in the midst of their foul-ups, turned to God as God, respecting Him in proper relationship and understanding his nature. David, for example, CARED what God thought and regarded Him as God, repented of his faults and asked forgiveness in abject humility. He conducted a real relationship with God in which He regarded God as Who He is.

    These things are in the Bible because it’s a real history, warts and all, of real life. They are clearly not endorsed.

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    1. That’s a real good point madblog. The narrative of scripture that transcribes things and places, good or bad, speaks of the inspiration and not the defects of scripture.

      The defects are in the actions of people. The forth-telling of something is hardly a sign of God’s approval.

      ‘Warts and all.’ Nice.

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  4. Also, I notice that in the graphic, there is yet one “marriage” missing. Anybody ever find a male-male marriage in the Bible?
    Hm. So what exactly was the point of the argument?

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  5. Our Creator, not the created, defined marriage, that is, one man and one woman become one husband and one wife (Gen. 2:21-24). There are no exceptions to the definition, since God is unchanging (Mal. 3:6; Ps. 119:89; Ecc. 3:14; Heb. 6:17, 13:8; James 1:17). Are there examples of people sinning against God and His definition of marriage? Absolutely! Shocker! For instance, King David — “a man after [God’s] heart” — had concubines! Furthermore, many Gentile tribes and nations practiced (and some to this day practice) polygamy, again, they sinned (and are sinning) against our Creator. Today, mankind supports homosexual marriage or civil unions. Does this rebellion surprise God? Of course not! In regards to divorce, which God forbids (Mal. 2:16), read about Christ Jesus correcting the misunderstanding of the Pharisees (Matt. 19; Mark 10).

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      1. I like the quote by Tim. He is correct. There is only one, true definition of marriage (Gen. 2:21-24). The other so-called marriages, as depicted in the graphic above, were used as means of grace — noted by Tim. Indeed, there are occurrences in the Word of God that seem extraordinary to us, even down right shocking or detestable, but God’s ways and thoughts are not like our ways and thoughts — He is beyond the finite and vain minds of men (Isa. 55:8-9). If one astutely reads and studies his Creator’s Word, he will notice God’s consistent pattern and character, that is to say, His grace and mercy. Praise the Lord for that because I do not deserve His grace and mercy. Thanks be to Christ!

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  6. And actually the Scripture references in the graphic do not usually demonstrate what they are supposed to, and others are misunderstood. I’ll go over to SBz and comment…

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    1. Have fun. When I got too effective, siriusbizinus started deleting my comments. Shrug. The behavior of such people is why we have to have our own blogs.

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