Why write this? Some things we have to explain. If we don’t, others will infer explanations that bear no relation to the truth.

Nevertheless, I suppose some people will now get after me for calling john zande and Arkenaten trolls, but we call people who cheat on their spouses adulterers, people who commit fraud con men, people who steal thieves, people who kill in malice murderers, people who…….. If we do that then what is wrong with calling someone who harasses bloggers on the Internet a troll?

What is an Internet troll? Here is one definition.

An Internet troll is someone who posts offensive, controversial, or divisive material on an Internet community. Trolls are an unfortunately common occurrence on many communities across the Internet, and there are various steps which can be taken to combat them. If you are currently struggling with an Internet troll, the best thing to do is to walk away, since trolls feed on attention, and they will usually disappear if they are ignored.  (continued here)

Since I have been blogging for awhile, I had experienced a troll, just one. Since he was a nasty fellow, I wrote about the subject.

  • INFESTED WITH AN INTERNET TROLL? – When I wrote this the troll decided to contribute, of course. He was flattered.
  • TROLLING THE “TROLL” – Nevertheless, even though I had had that one infestation, I decided it best not to call too many people trolls.
  • GRACE, TRUTH, AND INTERNET TROLLS – This I wrote years latter when someone wrote asked me to link to their website. There was nothing special in the invitation, but I tried to make the reply worth posting.

So why, after all these years, have I decided to identify two more people as trolls. I do so because that is what the data indicates.


For those whose sympathies are with the perpetrators, Arkenaten was my first victim. I have gotten 62 comments from this habitual scorner since January 5, 2015. Other than scorning Christians and calling Christians and Christianity fraudulent, what was Arkenaten’s most annoying habit? He would demand EVIDENCE!  Of course, he did not accept the validity of the evidence that anyone provided, and he felt no inclination to explain or defend his own beliefs. Instead of being responsive, obviously intending to be still more annoying, he feigned ignorance and questioned his questioner.

Since being obnoxious is not crime and and no one had to dialog with Arkenaten if they did not want to, I left well enough alone. I reasoned that even a bad example can serve a purpose.

Unfortunately, two comments (immediately deleted) went over the line.

  • Arkenaten referred to Jesus by the word we use for a child born out of wedlock.
  • Arkenaten called a book of the Bible vile twaddle.

Since no one’s blog should exist merely to serve as an object of amusement for someone of Arkenaten’s ilk, his comments now go into the spam queue. Thus, I wrote the following comment.

Citizen Tom
February 22, 2015 at 8:32 pm

You are a time waster, pretending ignorance.

You are also rude, and you have no respect for the rights of others. If you want to insult the Bible and Jesus — if you want to make a general pest of yourself — I will treat you as a pest.

Further comments from you are going into the spam queue. No apologies. No regrets.

Anyway, if you insist upon judging for yourself just google the most recent blog posts.

Arkenaten site:citizentom.com

john zande

John Zande is a troll of a more deliberate and thoughtful nature.  Instead of being openly scornful, Zande is committed or steadfast. He carefully produces “evidence” and “facts” that he uses deceitfully to con the gullible.

I first ran into Zande at ColorStorm (great blog, btw) on a post called Count them! I replied to some of Zande’s malarkey. Complaining that ColorStorm was censoring him, Zande left the first of his 90 comments at this post, CONVENTION OF THE STATES SUFFERS A SETBACK IN VIRGINIA. Zande’s comment had nothing whatsoever to do with the post.

Eventually, I wrote a post that focused on Zande’s behavior, IF YOU GIVE A MAN ENOUGH ROPE, HE’LL HANG HIMSELF. As I expected, that did not especially bother Zande. He was happy to be the center of attention. What set Zande off is the fact I posted some of the material from his website in WHY WOULD A MAN HANG HIMSELF? — PART 3C. That he claimed gave him some kind of special right.

Consider this comment carefully.

john zande
February 21, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Hi Tom

You do confuse me… often.

My ego? May I remind you, you posted a hunk of my work, and when I challenged you on it, you started your evasive song and dance. After 82 comments, I think I’m well within my rights to say what I have just said:

82 comments I see, a great majority connected to me and my rather simple question, and not one of you have been able to name a single new or original or marginally useful thing said or done by Jesus.


Please, I would suggest all people here calling themselves “Christians” meditate on this revelation you have inadvertently led yourselves to…

Now, by all means, if you finally want to actually confront the question, which is only presented here because you posted my work, then do so… I’d be tremendously interested to hear your answer.

Over to you… Or are we going to go for 100 comments?

Latter, Zande raised the ante to 200 comments.

What about Zande’s question? Multiple people answered it. Zande just refused to accept any answer except the one he wanted.

When somebody is playing fast and loose with facts and evidence, I have no obligation to let them post their claptrap on my blog. That is especially true when they have as much as told me they are spamming. Therefore, I left this note for Zande.

Citizen Tom
February 23, 2015 at 12:08 am


Since you are behaving like a troll, I have decided your comments should be directed to the spam queue.

1. If someone cares to read through your comments and find those that are pertinent, they will find you have threatened to plague this blog until I answer your ridiculous question. As many have already pointed out, your question assumes a false premise. Therefore, unless I choose to give you the stupid answer you demand, I cannot answer your question as you have demanded that I answer it.

2. Multiple commenters have established that you use “facts” deceitfully

3. You consider it cute not to reply to straight-forward questions from other commenters, and yet you harass others with your question.

Note that I never misrepresented anything Zande had written in his blog, and Zande never said that I did. When he posted his garbage on my website, I just used material from his own blog to discredit him.

Will everyone think my decision to keep these two people off my blog appropriate? No, but only a fool of yet another kind tries to please everyone.

Again, if you insist upon judging for yourself just google the most recent blog posts.

“john zande” site:citizentom.com

Frankly, if you insist upon understanding Zande’s character, I think it would be easier just to visit his website, not that I recommend it. Let’s make that perfectly clear.  I don’t suggest visiting Zande’s website. I think the time would be better spent in the Bible.


  1. CT-

    Just knew you would come up with something timely, clear, and good. Very well done.

    You defended my reluctance to engage, and took upon yourself an unwanted burden, but rallied in true Christian grace. And once more, this post is written in a very good spirit. To any new visitors to CT’s place, be slow to judge a matter before you follow all the bread crumbs, then decide where true wisdom lies.

    Well done sir.

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  2. CT,

    After a review of the record, your conduct exhibited long-suffering (i.e., patience), firmness, fairness, and consistency. Noble and honorable.

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  3. So Ark actually demanded EVIDENCE? The NERVE of that troll! I say hang him – hang him high! Evidence? From the Bible? He knows better than that!

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  4. Very well explained Tom. Like other comments I certainly appreciate your Gody attitude about this whole thing. It is so sad that these things have to be done, but to retain the integrity of our blogs, there are times these things must be done.

    Appreciate your fine work on behalf of our Lord and our country. Lord bless.

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  5. Tom, your patience far exceeds mine. Sadly they lurk at other sites Isaiah53 Project and I found them replying to me after commenting on your post and other posts I enjoy. They offer nothing new, nor do they make for any positive contributions other than an annoying reminder there are folks like that out there! You are always sane, sensible, reasonable, and tolerant, but there are limits!

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    1. Patience? Maybe, but I expect I am just slow. I like to debate, and I am willing to put up with some irritation. However, if all someone want to do is either lie call other people names, what is the point of putting up them?


  6. You’d hate my blog(s) then … I’ve just posted on why Islamic thugs should be sent back to the Islamic Paradises they are trying to escape.

    I’m about to pose some questions inspired by an article to the effect that they are going to flood Germany with 25 million Korans, free … but to dispose of a Koran without due rituals, ceremony and proper respect due to a Holy Book is apparently a capital crime.


  7. For some reason I have acquired a special affection for both John and Ark.

    Ark departed my site voluntarily, never to return once I started sending his really nasty, curse-ridden comments to spam oblivion.

    And I appreciate John’s pro-level, expertly designed leftist, anti-Christian propaganda delivered with Messiah-like love and affection.

    Although I can understand profoundly how such a wanton, studied misuse of God’s gift of soul and intellect could be perceived as nothing less than totally disgusting.

    But such is the world of man without God.

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