CONVENTION OF THE STATES SUFFERS A SETBACK IN VIRGINIA

constitution1.pngHere is what the Richmond-Times Dispatch is reporting.

House sponsor scraps bid for convention of the states

Virginia will not join the short list of states that so far have urged Congress to call for a convention of the states to propose amendments to the Constitution.

Following several days of delaying a vote in the House of Delegates, Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter, R-Prince William, realized that his resolution had lost momentum and today asked for it to be struck from the calendar.

“George Washington used to observe that in war you must see things as they are, not as you wish them to be,” Lingamfelter said on the House floor. ” (continued here)

It would have been interesting to see how people voted, but perhaps Lingamfelter feared the vote would be so lopsided it would be a pointless embarrassment. Virginia gets lots of Federal Government money. So the politicians here have a big incentive to promote big government spending.

What’s The Alternative?

Consider that Conservatives on both sides of the Article V Convention fight agree on one thing. They agree our government is out of control, but neither side has done a good job of answering this question.

Why is our government out-of-control?

If we want to solve a problem, we first have to define the problem. Until then, we cannot rightly define a fix. Well-meaning people like Delegate Scott Lingamfelter and Michael Farris can question the good sense of well-meaning people like Senator Dick Black. They can even rightly demand an answer to this question.

Senator Dick Black, what is your plan to stop the abuse of power in Washington, D.C.? (from here)

Nevertheless, Article V Convention advocates still have an obligation to define the problem before they propose a solution, and they have not done that. What they have been doing instead is trying to show why their solution will not blow up in our faces. Because they are always on defense, that’s why they cannot get the states to approve a call for an Article V Convention.

So what’s the alternative? I think our government is out-of-control because We the People don’t know enough and don’t care enough to run it properly. We point to the government and say it’s broken, but we are the government. That’s the nature of a republic. And yet most of us cannot explain what a republic is and why we have one. That’s why those opposing an Article V Convention have every right to be frightened of this “solution.”

Nevertheless, I favor the call for an Article V Convention. We live in desperate times that call for desperate solutions. We must do everything we can to make our fellow countrymen understand now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

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8 thoughts on “CONVENTION OF THE STATES SUFFERS A SETBACK IN VIRGINIA

  1. Hi Tom

    I’m leaving this reply to you here because Colorstorm isn’t allowing my comments on his blog. Apologies, but I feel his desperate need for censorship shouldn’t stop conversations.

    As posted, but not seen on Colorstorms blog:

    Hi Citizen Tom, thanks for your comment

    I have no idea if this will post. Colorstorm is deleting my comments, and unfortunately, you are only seeing a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction here of what was actually written/presented by me.

    That you would even expect archaeological evidence to survive from the passage of nomadic shepherds through this world is kind of weird.

    With all due respect, I’m afraid this comment demonstrates that you don’t know anything about the contemporary state of biblical archaeology. As it stands, there is just one city which actually matches the conquest period, Hazor, yet no one can say why exactly this particular city shows signs of tumult at that time. You see, the strength of the argument is not the “absence of evidence,” but rather the mountain of contradictory evidence which flatly contravenes the origin narrative contained in the Pentateuch. And believe me here, there is a mountain of evidence, like, for example, the fact that Edom wouldn’t be a kingdom/nation until 800 BCE, some 1,000 years after the Patriarchs narrative was allegedly set, yet the bible has Jacob set in this locale. Mamlekhet Yisra’el (Kingdom of Israel) where Isaac is based, and Mamlekhet Judah (Hebron) where Abraham was based wouldn’t even be settled by the very first Canaanite refugees until 1,100BCE… 900 years after the Patriarchs narrative is set. This is known as the Settlement Period, and the published population maps are not questioned by any archaeologist or historian, minimalist or maximalist. There is no controversy. Period. The dreaded Philistines who Yhwh warns Moses to avoid wouldn’t actually arrive on the Levant until 1150 BCE, 300 to 400 years after after the time that story was set. Even the humble camel disproves the narrative. Camels wouldn’t be introduced on the Levant until 900BCE, yet if we’re to believe the bible, Abraham had entire herds of them. Most of the stations named in the Exodus narrative simply didn’t exist in 14th Century BCE, but they did exist in the 7th Century BCE, precisely when the story was cobbled together. For example, Exodus 1:11 “So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh.” The problem for the narrative is this: Pithom is Per-Temu Tjeku which translates as ‘The House of Atum of Tjeku’ at the site now known as Tell el-Maskhuta … Built by Egyptian King Necho II no later than 605 BCE. The narrative, I remind you, has these sites being constructed anywhere between the 15th and 17th Century BCE.

    Now, I could go on and on and on and on detailing the evidences, there are volumes, but there’s really no point. The simple fact is this: it has been known for two generations now that the Origin Tale detailed in the Pentateuch (Patriarchs, Egypt, Moses, Exodus, Conquest) is a work of 6th and 7th Century geopolitical fiction, fashioned by Judah, to place Judah as the center of the Jewish world after the sacking of Mamlekhet Yisra’el in 722 BCE. It is a unity tale, a work of fiction designed to serve political and religious ends. There simply is no historical validity to it. In fact, so definitive is the evidence that in 1998, the American Schools of Oriental Research (ASOR), the primary American professional body for archaeologists working in the Middle East, changed the name of its magazine from Biblical Archaeologist to Near Eastern Archaeology simply because the bible had been determined to be (beyond all doubt) an entirely unreliable historical source to direct research into the early Jews, pre-Babylonian captivity.

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    1. john zande — My wife insisted upon coming back to Virginia, and that was from Colorado. We like it here.

      I have little interest in getting into a dispute between you and ColorStorm. I think ColorStorm’s operates a great blog, and I don’t know what you wrote that would have inspired him to hit the delete button. Given the number of Atheists who regularly comment on his blog, I expect he must have found your comment especially unappetizing.

      Since my Blog Ethics page (https://citizentom.com/blogging-code-of-conduct/) does not rule out comments just for being unrelated to the post, I did not delete your comment.

      For readers. Here is the comment that Zande replied to =>https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/count-them/comment-page-1/#comment-4186.

      ColorStorm permitted Zande to reply to my comment. So I will reply on ColorStorm’s blog.

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  2. Here is my reply that CS won’t allow:

    Yes, there was a wash of evidences, in no particular order, but it was simply to demonstrate some of the facts which exist, not to present a coherent argument. I could, if you so wish… Although given Colorstorm’s reluctance to have “facts” presented on his blog I seriously doubt he would allow my comments to see the light of day.

    Edom. It’s an interesting case all by itself. It would not become a nation until 800 BCE, and yet if we are to believe the narrative contained in the Pentateuch, it was in existence 1,000 to 1,200 years earlier. This, of course, is nonsense. The history of Edom is well documented through extra-biblical sources. It became Edom in 800 BCE. This period blunder is one of the reasons how we know today when, exactly, the story was actually dreamed up. There are a multitude of other period blunders, from the stations mentioned in Exodus, to the humble camel. These things, places, and nations did not exist at the time the stories are alleged to have happened, but did exist in the period just before, or during, the time when the story was penned.

    You see, the “controversy” exists only between biblical literalists and everyone else. The actual physical nature of this subject is not in dispute. I really don’t know how to emphasise this point any clearer. I suggest you read Thomas Römer (one of the world’s leading experts on the Old Testament) for greater detail here, but to paraphrase what is known about the Patriarchs, for one example. Abraham and his sons were not historical characters, but metaphors for kingdoms/tribes: Isaac in the north (Israel), Jacob in the south (Edom, which wouldn’t even become a nation until 800 BCE), and Abraham, the father, right in the middle in Hebron (Judah). It’s a unity tale, a geopolitical work of fiction designed to place Judah as the centre of the Jewish world… to capitalise on a weakened Mamlekhet (Kingdom) Yisra’el after its sacking in 722 BCE. To understand this you have to understand the Settlement Period. The hills where the kingdoms of Judah and Israel w0uld be found were not inundated with 2.5 million “arriving” slaves in the 14th Century BCE, rather they were settled 50 years after the landing of the Philistines on the Levant, in 1110 BCE. There were 11 villages, and the most generous estimate in the published population maps is 30,000 people, but probably closer to 20,000, total.

    This is the actual early history of the Jewish people. They were refugees from the Canaanite coastal states, who fled into the hills in 1100 BCE.

    I am not archaeologist, but I think it is safe to say that archaeological evidence is hit and miss. Sometimes the evidence is there, and sometimes the evidence is just a gap, disappeared to the ravages of time. Sometimes we have evidence, but we don’t know what to make of what we have

    Again, you are assuming there is an “absence of evidence,” which there is not. There are mountains of evidence, and it all contradicts the biblical narrative. Just so you know, the only area where there is still a live debate regarding biblical archaeology is whether or not Judah had an urban society in the 9th Century BCE, which relates to the narrative concerning the United Kingdom. That’s it. That’s all there is. The Patriarchs, Egypt, Moses, Exodus and Conquest are dead subjects in the field of serious archaeology. They were dismissed as myth nearly two generations ago, and nothing has changed in that time to alter this consensus. As Israel’s oldest daily Newspaper, Hareetz, announced recently:

    Currently there is broad agreement among archaeologists and Bible scholars that there is no historical basis for the narratives of the Patriarchs, the Exodus from Egypt, and the conquest of Canaan, nor any archaeological evidence to make them think otherwise.

    And as I pointed out to you earlier, in 1998, the American Schools of Oriental Research (ASOR), the primary American professional body for archaeologists working in the Middle East, changed the name of its magazine from Biblical Archaeologist to Near Eastern Archaeology simply because the bible had been determined to be (beyond all doubt) an entirely unreliable historical source to direct research into the early Jews, pre-Babylonian captivity.

    These are the facts. They are not secret. They are in the public domain, but as Professor Magen Broshi, Chief Archaeologist at the Israel Museum explained:

    “Archaeologists simply do not take the trouble of bringing their discoveries to public attention.”

    Or as one of America’s leading archaeologists, Professor William Dever (now retired) explained:

    “Scholars have known these things for a long time, but we’ve broken the news very gently.”

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  3. And Tom, if you are truly interested in studying this subject, and understanding why the overwhelming majority of Jewish rabbis don’t even believe the Pentateuch to be historical, I strongly suggest you purchase and read the Etz Hayim: Torah and Commentary; the first authorised commentary on the Torah since 1936. Published in 2001 by the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (in collaboration with the Rabbinical Assembly and the Jewish Publication Society), the 1,559 page long Etz Hayim concludes with 41 essays written by prominent rabbis and scholars who admit the Pentateuch is little more than a self-serving myth rife with anachronisms and un-ignorable archeological inconsistencies, and rather than triumphant conquest, Israel instead emerged slowly and relatively peacefully out of the general Canaanite population with monotheism only appearing in the post-Exilic period, 5th and mostly 4th Century BCE.

    You cannot get a more authoritative source than this.

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  4. I very much appreciate John Zande’s contribution. I don’t understand why something as carefully assembled and offered up for other readers would be censored at another site. And Hats Off to Tom for giving it a home, despite the fact that he probably doesn’t really care much for some of the ideas or information in the comments. However, Mr. Zande’s comments have very little to do with this particular post, which also addresses a very important, but very different subject. Perhaps it would make sense to include these ideas in a new post (with Tom’s counter-views or commentary) or to move them to the long and interesting comment thread we had a couple of weeks back on Biblical literalism. These would fit very nicely there, I would think.

    In any event, thanks to Tom for permitting the comments to be filed. I wonder if Mr. Zande may be mistaken about Colorstream’s actions – perhaps there is a technical problem. Colorstream seems to be a person who wouldn’t be so fearful of Mr. Zande’s well-researched viewpoint, whether or not he ultimately agrees with him.

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    1. Hi Scout, always happy to engage in this subject. I spent quite a deal of time last year interviewing rabbis (about 80 in the end) from every Jewish movement, as well as dozens of the world’s leading biblical archaeologists (most from Tel Aviv University, and The Hebrew University in Jerusalem) and enjoy sharing this information. No doubt, there exists a severe deficit in knowledge out there today regarding the current state of biblical archaeology, but as Professor Magen Broshi, Chief Archaeologist at the Israel Museum, explained:

      “Archaeologists simply do not take the trouble of bringing their discoveries to public attention.”

      It’s an important subject, and people should know what archaeologists and bible scholars know.

      And you’re absolutely right: this thread does not belong here, but as Colorstorm was deleting comments it was only courteous to let Tom known that I had, in fact, replied to his comment, and under the conditions of CS’s censorship, that had to happen here.

      Thanks for your comment.

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