Essentially my assertions that God doesn’t exist is a conclusion. I have stated this openly in the discussion. And although I cannot disprove God, no one can sufficiently prove God either through objective, non-testimonial, falsifiable evidence. Simply because I cannot conclusively disprove God does not make my position untenable. All it means is that people can reach different conclusions.
Furthermore, I actually have studied the Bible, and the claims that I discount are mostly unfalsifiable. That some of the claims have proven true do not reach the question of whether or not there is divine anything in the universe. I addressed that specifically in the post above.
Third, I am a former Christian. I have studied the Bible, and I am quite familiar with the claims it makes. The points I raise do not come from a lack of understanding. Because I have studied it, new evidence will be required to warrant giving it different weight. If you have it, I shall be more than willing to consider it.
And finally, the Bible serving as the foundation of our culture’s morality is a statement that needs evidence in order to be debated. In short: you will need evidence to back up that assertion. (from here)
Here is my reply.
There is a word that is much abused: pragmatism. We Americans often take pride our pragmatism. Because we do what works, we think ourselves pragmatic, and therefore, effective and efficient. Yet we do everything we do — everybody does everything they do — based upon limited knowledge. Because we don’t know enough to prove anything beyond the question of a doubt, we do everything we do just because it works. Or do we?
That’s point of an assumption, believing some things because they are self-evident. Should we examine our assumptions? Yes? Yet at some point we must believe some things, have faith in some truths, just because we know they are true.
If we do not want to believe, no one can prove anything to us. Without the faith to believe what we know to be true, we cannot prove we exist, that we are born, that we breath, that we die, and that we go back to the dust and ashes from which we came.
So how can we believe God exists? We must have faith that the evidence of our senses and the longing in our hearts mean something, that the universe did not create itself, that we exist for a reason.
How can we believe God does not exist? We can declare in “faith” everything pointless and random, that it has been so for all eternity. That I exists for me. We can discard our concern for eternity as meaningless babble. That now is the moment that matters.
You say I must provide evidence that the Bible serves as the foundation of our culture’s morality. In recent years, that connection to the Bible has become weaker. Unlike the early generations of those who settled this nation and past generations of Europeans, we glory in secular wisdom. We do not do our best to make certain our young men and women learn Biblical wisdom, eternal wisdom. But how could I quantify the difference that makes? With statistics? When you refuse to believe that God exists, how I can show you the difference a belief in Jesus Christ makes in the heart of a human being?
In an earlier time, Europeans did not argue about the existence of God. They argued about the meaning of the birth, life, and the death of Jesus Christ. When Adam Smith wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments, he accepted as given the fact he wrote to other Christians.
Did such a widespread belief in Jesus Christ make a difference? Have you listened to the music of 3 Bs? Have you read the Declaration of Independence? Have you ever compared what Christians believe with what people believed before the birth of Christ? Do you understand why Christians promoted scientific progress? They believed that God is not the author of confusion, that His creation is orderly.
Have you considered the irony? You speak of your rights. Yet in past ages most men were slaves. Don’t you know why? Perhaps you would just explain it away with a word, “progress.” Can you define progress? Without God, when me and now are all there is, how can we define progress in any meaningful way? (from here)