IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN

traditionsWhen illegal immigrant children started coming into our country, I hoped most of the opponents of illegal immigration would have enough sense not to direct their protests at the children. The children are not the problem. Our problem is the politicians aiding and abetting their illegal entry into the United States. If the politicians were doing their job, the children would not be trying to cross our borders. Unfortunately, there are a few people who have not given the matter enough thought.

Here is how Youth for Tomorrow Hires Off-Duty Police to Guard Entrance (bristowbeat.com) starts.

Following the controversy over Youth For Tomorrow’s Unaccompanied Minor Program, the Bristow facility that houses at-risk youth has posted off-duty police officers at its Linton Hall Road entrance as a precaution.

According to Prince William Police, they are not doing so at the county’s expense.

“YFT is paying for the officers to be there,” said police spokesperson Officer Jonathan Perok. “This is an off-duty detail not paid for by the county or department.”

While Youth for Tomorrow did not immediately return calls for comment on the issue, many speculate YFT is concerned about the strong emotions the controversy is garnering with the public and local politicians.

Tuesday, a resident contacted Bristow Beat soliciting support for promoting demonstrations in front of the facility. [Editor’s Note: The editorial staff refused the request.] (continued here)

Consider why Democrats think they can get away with bringing illegal immigrant children into our country. They are children. We are suppose to love children, not hate them. Therefore, if anyone opposes letting hordes of unaccompanied children cross our borders, the Democrats figure they can accuse them of hating children. Never mind the fact the Democrats have purely selfish reasons for bringing all these children into our country.

So what should we do if we want to protest illegal immigration? Try the following:

  • Visit and protest at the office of our congressman and two senators. We should be respectful, of course.
  • Send letters to our congressman and to our two senators. No curse words. We just need to tell them that if they don’t promptly fix this mess we are going to vote for someone else.
  • Send letters to the editor of our local paper. Here we can focus on the fact our leaders need to protect our country, not import more welfare dependents.
  • Support candidates who advocate limited government. If we are going to keep voting for increased funding of Social Security, Medicare, public education, food stamps, unemployment benefits, tax loopholes, and so forth, why should our leaders care what we think about illegal immigration?
  • Participate in the Tea Party protest movement and fight for our constitutional republic.
  • Join the Republican Party and fight for our constitutional republic.
  • Study the history and the traditions of the United States and pass that history and those traditions onto our children. Because we do not appreciate what the founders accomplished — because we don’t know how to make what they built work — our constitutional republic is dying.

We in America still have a distinct culture, one that even now has the potential to continue flourishing as the cradle of liberty. However, if we do not protect our borders, devious political leaders will succeed in completely dividing us by language and culture. You say that is not possible? Don’t our leaders already seek to divide us by race, sex, religion, age, wealth, …….? And you don’t think they won’t try to divide us by language and culture?

Consider what this phrase means:  God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Is it not just about living and letting others live in peace? Unfortunately, we have put a bunch of busybodies in charge, and busybodies are not content just to do the minimum government needs to do and then leave the people they seek to “serve” in peace. Instead, they want to make all our decisions for us, and that’s why our government now runs our healthcare, our schools, our retirement, our banking industry,… That’s why our government is putting the coal industry out of business, is forcing us to subsidize windmills, insists upon regulating Christian religious practices out of the public square,…. That’s why this country is going broke.

So leave the illegal immigrant children in peace. Pity them. If they had any sense, they would have stayed home. If we must protest, then we ought to give our elected officials some grief.

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30 thoughts on “IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN

  1. I think we should look for reform immigration in a way that is compromise on both sides of the aisle. I think this partly because it being an issue that affects minorities progressives uses the issue to vilify any who stand in their way.

    My feelings on the matter I must confess are charged by the great many progressive acquaintances that I have that are trying desperately to use the issue to give their opponents a black eye. I’ve seen a great many “memes” from progressives declaring that you can’t be for immigrating these children and be pro-life which of course is nothing more than a red herring.

    Those who comment on the heartlessness of those who oppose amnesty for children who broke sovereign laws are nothing more than demagogues expressing shibboleths of populist politics. It’s tremendously easily to vilify ones political opponents through fallacious means such as a red herring, like exampled above. Especially, if it appears to be a like issue. I feel sorry for those who are persuaded by such rhetoric.

    In my mind I do not support amnesty outright because I feel we should be protecting the sovereign property of the United States such as borders/land, the citizenry’s tax dollars, and all national interests. This is much like any progressive who would protect their house, their budget, and the health of their families, I would hope. So my charge is that until progressives stop with their hollow words and negative campaigning with faulty logic; start petitioning the government to open up their homes and budget to house these children; then they are committing nothing more than demagoguery, and showing they are hypocrites of the highest order.

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    1. I will not say I don’t have sympathy for your position, but what is the point of compromising with people who will not keep their promises? If we pass “immigration reform,” they will only enforce that part of the law that gives illegal immigrants amnesty. Before we do anything, we need to replace the fiends who created this mess.

      We need to focus on doing what is right. Admittedly, we can have honest disagreements about what might be the right thing to do, but what have the illegal immigrants done that gives them the right to be here, crossed the border illegally? The fact is most of the illegal immigrants will go home on their own if they cannot get jobs here. Furthermore, if they had reasonably good jobs here they can take those skills back with them.

      What can we do to induce the illegals to leave. We can rigorously enforce laws already on the books. We don’t need compromise; it won’t even help us. We need to replace those leaders who think themselves above the law.

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  2. In reality, if one can believe some of the reports, unaccompanied children make up less than 20% of the recent mass of illegals coming across the border.

    We should have compassion for the children because they are put in a situation not of their making. But having compassion doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t send these children back where they came from in due course, the sooner the batter.

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    1. I agree, MrG. Actually, according to most reports, kids are approximately one-sixth of the gross number.
      And we can send them back safely and humanely, …but send them back we must.

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  3. Tom – I was under the impression that the children are being brought into the country by smugglers, many of whom have ties to drug rings and who view people-smuggling as another business line in their array of illegal, but very profitable activities. I also had the impression that these “coyotes” are not US citizens, but are rather from Mexico and Central America. Where do you get the idea that they are Democrats? I find that very hard to believe. I would think they are not politically active people in the United States, as they are not citizens, and that their political affiliations, to the extent they have any beyond organized crime, are ones that none of us would recognize. If you can illuminate this further, I would be grateful.

    I do appreciate your point, however (one that can’t hurt to make repeatedly), that to the extent one has constructive ideas for immigration policy, the place to make it is in the halls of Congress (you mention a lot of other places also, but Congress has to be the focus, since immigration and naturalization are federal prerogatives under the Constitution), not in the faces of young kids who are caught up in this. The average immigrant/refugee (or whatever you want to call him or her) has no chance of changing immigration policy. Why yell at them?

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    1. Tom – I was under the impression that the children are being brought into the country by smugglers, many of whom have ties to drug rings and who view people-smuggling as another business line in their array of illegal, but very profitable activities.

      No, scout, I don’t believe that this is your impression at all. It has been largely true in the past, but the current crop of Obama-harvest children are very different. You know this, I’ll wager.

      I also had the impression that these “coyotes” are not US citizens, but are rather from Mexico and Central America. Where do you get the idea that they are Democrats?

      Your game is to constantly pretend that no one is correctly reading your comments, while at the same time posing a personae of extraordinary ignorance, deceitfulness, and obtuseness regarding comments you read and pretend to misunderstand. This is evidently for the purpose of distracting conversation away from the issues themselves. So here you pretend, to dodge the real discussion to be had, that Citizen Tom said that coyotes were Democrats.

      You pathetically ignore the relevant point, which is Obama’s extremely well-documented and open push to turn Texas and other red states blue using illegal immigration as a tool.

      Speaking of tools, why don’t you just address the points that Citizen Tom raises? If you have a good leftwing argument to raise, raise it (you’ve attempted to in the past on the role of government) and drop your tendentious horsemanure of ignorant poses. You are smarter than that, and your silly game avails you little here.

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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      1. Tom said more than once in his post that the Democrats were bringing these children into the country. He said they thought they could get away with it. He said they were bringing the children in for selfish reason. I agree that the motivation is greed. I just don’t think these smugglers are Dems.

        Illegal immigrants don’t vote, so they don’t have any particular effect on elections. The problems they create (social, economic, cultural) actually tend to create more Republican votes than Democratic votes, given that a lot of Republicans of the more opportunistic stripe have chosen to deal with the very difficult issues of immigration on a kind of buzzword level.

        I did deal with some of the points Tom raised, and certainly praised him for his main theme that this isn’t about the children, it’s about the policy. It is the nature of this medium that not every commenter addresses everything that either the post or the other comments raise. Often we choose what catches our eye first.

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        1. You remind me of that robot in the “Get Smart” television series. He managed to take everything so literally he often misunderstood what was plain to anyone else. It was good for a laugh — once a week.

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        2. Obama is the primary architect of the policy changes (realistically, made-up new ad hoc rules) that are bringing in huge numbers of illegals including a high-than-usual child population. His fellow Democrats support him in this, and many establishment Republicans seem to be buying into the program. It is foolish to bring unlimited welfare consumers into a abundant welfare-providing nation, just as it is foolish to bring new job-takers into a nation suffering from high unemployment. The illegals Obama is bringing in are in both categories, sometimes in the same individuals since they are paid under the table.

          But you knew all of this, didn’t you scout?

          “Illegal immigrants don’t vote, so they don’t have any particular effect on elections.” Classic scout obtuseness, counterfactualism, and posed idiocy. Of course they vote. And they vote Democratic, even more overwhelmingly than felons do. This puts illegals in the awkward position of having to get out of jury duty by claiming that they aren’t citizens, despite the jury roster being driven by voter rolls. Most, of course, show up and vote in a manner unprosecutable, not that there is much appetite for such prosecution. Eric Holder aids, abets and protects a number of illegal voting schemes, including protecting the groups registering pets and dead relatives to vote using bogus return addresses.

          Not that he’ll ever stand trial for this.

          ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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  4. posing a personae of extraordinary ignorance,

    How sure are you that Scout is “posing” as ignorant?

    Nowhere in the article by CT did he say that the coyotes were democrats. What he said was that democrats and some republicans were facilitating the massive ingress of the illegal aliens.

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    1. (Hit send too soon)

      The fact is the Obama administration knew several months in advance that there would be a major influx of illegals trying to cross the border. He had plenty of time to do something about it, but instead, ignored the problem as his wont. Fund raising and excoriating republicans is his full time job, not doing what is right for America.

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    2. That’s the thing that is so disgusting about this. How can be people support Obama and illegal immigration when the Democrats and even some Republicans are obviously using it to destroy our republic? Are they mad?

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    3. Scout is not unintelligent. His goal appears to be a constant derailing of conversation into ludicrous misinterpretations on his part, which all (including the one you point out) appear to be quite intentional. He works hard at this, for whatever dubious motivation; perhaps it amuses him to see conservatives flabbergasted at his putative Bowery-boys-like misfires.

      The man has no scruples at all, and his pretenses and deceit are tedious. But I can use him as a foil, nonetheless, to help illustrate issues.

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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  5. Your kind words are greatly appreciated, Keith. I understand that Anger Management courses are available in great numbers in your neighborhood. Nonetheless, feel free to continue to use me as a foil. I have hopes that once in a while our exchanges, even if marred by your lapses into personal nastiness, will, as you say illustrate (or, as I would say, “illuminate”) some of the issues on which we have these polite and mature exchanges of opinion.

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    1. Scout: “I understand that Anger Management courses are available in great numbers in your neighborhood.”

      This is your response to detailed replies on the issues you expressed concern about. And you have decided to simply be cute. Anything to avoid addressing substantive issues, as usual. I did not hope for much; I had predicted, evidently correctly, that you would not apologize for nor correct your previous misstatements.

      With your habits, such predictions are on safe grounds. But you could contribute if you wished to, and stopped your game-playing. I’d be all for it.

      As for anger management, I am probably one of the best at this you’d encounter; it is a discipline I have taught to others. But the situation here is simple, and is reminiscent of when I caught rattlesnakes by hand to sell to the local herpetarium; I was ten. I was never angry at the snakes, and knew that an emotional distraction could cause mistakes and harm. But I observed them carefully, and knew their habits well. This kept me out of trouble.

      Something of the same process is in play in dealing with you. Your fangs are useless here, and your habit of crapping over conversations — rather like the snakes’ second defense mechanism — is only tedious.

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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      1. Kind words? Yes. They are at that.

        I just ran into a proverb that seems appropriate in this context (http://rudymartinka.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/king-solomons-kiss/

        Here it is.

        Proverbs 24:26 English Standard Version (ESV)

        Whoever gives an honest answer
        kisses the lips.

        Because we are what we are, none of us are like Christ, full of grace and truth. We do not like giving to others more than they deserve, and we often avoid either telling or being told unpleasant truths. Nevertheless, when we receive one, we should value an honest, heartfelt rebuke.

        Ecclesiastes 7:5 English Standard Version (ESV)

        It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise
        than to hear the song of fools.

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  6. Tom – I’m not trying to issue “rebukes” to you and the other guys in your “we’s”. It’s just an exchange of opinions. I do think Keith has a tendency to make things personal, as opposed to talking about ideas. But that’s his problem. Rebukes probably won’t help that much.

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    1. Once again, foolish scout, you go to tremendous trouble to pretend to misunderstand Citizen Tom in order to distract the conversation. He wasn’t talking about a rebuke from you, and you know it.

      In the meantime, with a very substantial set of replies to your issues, just as you asked, you have nothing to say. Perhaps to you, getting drawn into a discussion of serious issues is a trap. You struggle mightily to avoid it, obviously.

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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  7. It’s really no trouble at all, Keith. I just do this in my spare time. And I find it takes very little time to not understand what Tom is saying. Thank you for your concern, nonetheless. And, I have no
    “leftwing arguments” to offer. I don’t run in those circles. Sorry. Perhaps you have other friends who can supply those needs.

    Frankly, I didn’t consider your responses particularly detailed or substantive. Hence my negligible direct response. They appear to be just bald assertions. I say that illegal immigrants don’t vote and are not eligible for welfare benefits. I think the law supports my position. You apparently have another view. Your views strike me as counter-factual. Perhaps if you could embroider your comment with some sort of factual data on how many illegal immigrants voted in this or that election (I’ll let you choose the ones that you think best illustrate your point) and whether they had impact on the outcomes. My impression is that there are few, if any, documented instances of illegal immigrant votes swaying an election in this country. I welcome correction if you have good data on this point. As for welfare, I guess hospital care might count, because we don’t throw people to the curb when they show up at the ER. But I doubt that that is a motive for desperate desert treks, but rather a by-product of extensive illegal entrants. By law, we also provide access to public schools, but I don’t consider that “welfare” and view those costs as probably less than the cost of not educating so many people in our midst. Given the data we have seen in the past few years about the quality of American education, I’m not sure getting access to American public schools would be a material step up for the average young scholar from Central America (Tom would probably agree with me on at least that point) But things that we generally regard as “welfare” (e.g., food stamps, health care, etc.) are generally reserved for citizens and, in some cases, permanent residents. Once in a while one hears of fraud in these areas, but these cases tend to be statistically insignificant and are cited more as an exception that proves the general rule that illegal immigrants don’t get to dip into those troughs, despite the fact that illegals do pay non-trivial sums in taxes both locally and federally.

    Moreover, if immigration is an advantage to Democrats, it is only because we Republicans are too thick to understand that immigration from Latin America (and Asia and Eastern Europe for that matter) has within it very strong strains that should favor the Republican Party. Latino immigrants tend to be industrious, often come from religiously and culturally “conservative” backgrounds, and have seen enough of government dysfunction to be skeptical of governments that promise everything. One of the real problems in the current immigration debate is that, starting several years ago, many opportunistic, low-grade Republican candidates fell for the siren song of how easy it is to get cheap votes on this issue by ignoring its complexity and its potential for benefit to the Nation and instead decided to mine the corrupted vein of dross that preys on fear of the next wave of immigration. This country always has feared the next wave, even as the previous wave assimilates and adds strength to the alloy that is America.

    Moving on a bit to other points. I don’t particularly see this Administration as the root of immigration problems (although I have serious complaints about other aspects of its current foreign policy or lack thereof). My view is that people who leap to that conclusion are folks who tend to have a kind of embarrassingly reflexive, discrediting boogey-man reaction to this Administration across a wide range of issues. I’ve been paying close attention to immigration policy since the mid 1980s. This Administration has been a more aggressive enforcer of Immigration laws than any in my adult lifetime (which may be about double yours – I’m not bragging about that, mind you, I’m just saying that I have had a while to watch these things). I see the issue as one that spans partisan lines, goes back many years, and is typified by fear more than leadership. Immigration is complex – it is not just Honduran children being used by smugglers as a sideline to their drug dealing. It is also about competing worldwide for the best and the brightest physicists, chemists, engineers, medical doctors, etc. who will come and become Americans dedicated to the welfare of this country. It is about eliminating the underground world in which illegals work outside of the record-keeping and responsibility of the lawful economy. It is about adjusting to seasonal demands for particular kinds of labor. it is about remedying the endless delays and bureaucratic nonsense that makes it virtually impossible in a human, as opposed to geologic time, to procure visas and other permissions to travel here. And, importantly, it is about efficient, user-friendly, effective border controls that give us reasonable assurance that we catch security threats while at the same time providing incentives for productive labor to move in recordable channels, as opposed to finding that desert treks, whatever their dangers, are preferable than waiting for 15 years to get a visa to hammer nails into roof shingles. Thus, I do take exception, as I did in previous comments in this thread to Tom talking about Democrats bringing immigrants into this country. Wherever there are marked economic and/or liberty opportunities on either side of any border anywhere in the world, one will find a strong current running toward liberty and prosperity. If the lawful immigration policies don’t manage that tide well, it will still happen, but much of it is forced into illegal channels. Our system is completely inadequate to modern conditions. Hence we have a lot of illegal activity around it.

    My view of immigration issues generally is that they rather transcend cable news politics and are more a manifestation of economic and liberty disparities. As a general rule, immigration tends to benefit the recipient countries and harm the countries being abandoned. I accept that, like any generalization there are exceptions to my general outlook, but view those exceptions, in the case of current conditions in the United States as a reflection of failure of the political system across both parties and across the Articles I and II branches, to build a workable system for the 21st Century.

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      1. To be fair to scout, he has taken some of my suggestions to heart and is now employing left-wing arguments openly. He’s also still amusing: For example, his guess at relative ages. I’ll give him a hint: My father was a teenager during the Roaring Twenties, working in coal mines. Does scout still think he’s twice my age?

        He describes Obama as not particularly responsible for the illegal immigration crisis. That is true, to an extent

        Our leftist scout asserts: “I say that illegal immigrants don’t vote and are not eligible for welfare benefits.” That reality thing trumps his assertion:

        Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisan Washington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising. Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.

        More on this, in an older (pre-Obama) report directly from the GAO which was and is motivated to downplay it:
        http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30

        As for illegal immigrants voting, he says it doesn’t happen because it’s against the law. Amusing. Another post will address this.

        On welfare, there is a subtlety here — one that scout is evidently not cognizant of: States are highly motivated to reduce their reported fraud percentages. Not their actual fraud rate: That buys votes. Here’s how California accomplished this: Their legal team was able to prosecute cases of fraud because the applicant signed the application “under penalty of perjury of the laws of the State of California.” They had quite a few successful prosecutions, such as one in which a woman local to me had been submitting several names, collecting several monthly checks and reselling other benefits, bought property (two duplexes to rent out and a nice home for herself), and was only caught because her mentally challenged son was a bit too open about the arrangements.

        California’s punishment of this person? She had to pay a fine, easily accomplished by refinancing one of her properties. She kept everything. But this and countless other cases were reported as fraud, of course, which made California look bad. So they changed the rules: Applicants no longer have to sign the application, they can get help filling it out and it is signed by the official helper with no legal consequences. The fraud rate, mirabile dictu, improved dramatically, and prosecutions dropped.

        Scout also suggests that “[t]his Administration has been a more aggressive enforcer of Immigration laws than any in my adult lifetime,” evidently because he has been told that the reported number of deportations is up. He seems not to be aware of how this was accomplished, which was by changing the rules of counting. Now, simply sending a fresh-caught illegal back across the border right after the capture counts as a “deportation”; it never did before. The actual number of deportations through the legal process has dropped radically, and now of course illegals are being bused into communities all over America and turned loose. That has never happened before. Obama also famously ordered the release of tens of thousands of convicted illegal alien criminals into American communities. Amazing.

        Scout does not track on the selection process. We do not require that illegals or legal immigrants be self-supporting, as do most countries. And we run ads inviting them in to partake of welfare benefits, and offer government navigators to help them through the process. Scout gets around this to an extent by narrowly defining what he thinks of as welfare.

        There are many non-governmental programs as well that are aimed at providing benefits to illegals; it may surprise scout to learn that I am on the board of one of them. These provide many billions of dollars of aid every year to this group — instead of US citizens or legal residents who could also use it.

        ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

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