Comments on: ADVENTURES IN ILLOGIC: TODAY FEATURING ANTI-BVBL

By: Citizen Tom

Citizen Tom — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:24:40 +0000

Leaving it to God has nothing to do with kindness from me.

So you are pretty sure you are not a bigot? You are almost certain. Hopefully, you do retain some doubt.

Consider bigotry in the extreme. Until recently most societies maintained slaves without a qualm.

The existence of slavery raises a question. How do slave masters convince themselves that they are not bigots? How could they be so blind to their bigotry and the wrongness of it? What took the blinders off of the eyes of the people of our nation? Was it a sermon or two? Did it make a difference who gave the sermon? And what did He have to do to get our attention?

By: Elena

Elena — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:44:13 +0000

Gee, thanks for the sermon Tom. Pretty sure I’m not a bigot Tom, and thanks for being so kind as to leave that judgement between me and G-d.

you said:

“What does bigotry involve? The problem is one of bias, a refusal to perceive things as they are. Instead we adjust reality within our mind until truth becomes what we wish it to be. That, of course, is a form of madness. ”

Therein lies the crux of our dilema Tom, your reality vs my reality has led us to two very different conclusions.

By: Alanna

Alanna — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:12:52 +0000

The politicians lied to us? It’s been 23 years since we original offered amnesty. Additionally, until 2001 the US immigration policy allowed people to adjust their status AFTER arrival, through workplace sponsorship, marriage, etc… So, basically our policy was come on in and then hopefully you can obtain legal status. Now, the suggestion is we round up and deport those people. Doesn’t sound particularly fair to me.

Plus if the ‘feds’ were the gatekeeper and they abdicated their responsibility who’s fault is that? If I look at motivation, action and attempt to assign blame. I understand the motivations and actions of the undocumented immigrants, it’s the lack of motivation and inaction by our government that I have an issue with. How I turn that around and say the greater fault lies with the ‘illegals’ is something I don’t really understand.

By: Citizen Tom

Citizen Tom — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:03:57 +0000

Elena — I responded to what you wrote by suggesting you look into a mirror. Whether or not you are a bigot is between you and God.

What does bigotry involve? The problem is one of bias, a refusal to perceive things as they are. Instead we adjust reality within our mind until truth becomes what we wish it to be. That, of course, is a form of madness.

Did I simply call you a name or did I attempt to correct you for name calling? What is the truth?

In Romans 3, the Apostle Paul reminds us “There is no one righteous, not even one.” I suppose that means that amongst other things we are all in one way or another bigots.

What is an advantage of humility? When we serve God first and foremost, we must discard our vanities, our self concerns, and our biases. Then we come closer to seeing ourselves and the rest of creation as it is.

I suppose that to be bereft of all bigotries would be a blessing. Should I find out first, I will be happy to let you know.

By: Elena

Elena — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:07:20 +0000

I am aware of the historical reversal of republicans vs democrats. It does revolve around slavery first and then civil rights. Thanks for the history lesson but I was already well aware of these factors. You and I will simply have to disagree on why makes a Republican and makes a Democrat. This conversation is more appropriate face to face then a diatribe on a blog.

I believe you were the one to name call first Tom on anti.