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	<title>Comments on: PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE – NOVEMBER 24, 2008 MEETING HIGHLIGHTS</title>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgotthardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m referring to what people say themselves, not what I hear in the media, Tom.  For example, people who call others dog food because of their immigration status and who determine that illegals should be shot and killed and who then claim to be conservatives are not.

You are correct in that there are evil people in every group.  Unfortunately, the true haters I&#039;ve met call themselves conservatives.  

On the other hand, some of the worse corporate criminals I&#039;ve met in higher education have called themselves liberals.  

So don&#039;t believe I believe it only goes one way.  

Rotten people abound no matter what group they espouse and they only serve to make the group itself appear vile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m referring to what people say themselves, not what I hear in the media, Tom.  For example, people who call others dog food because of their immigration status and who determine that illegals should be shot and killed and who then claim to be conservatives are not.</p>
<p>You are correct in that there are evil people in every group.  Unfortunately, the true haters I&#8217;ve met call themselves conservatives.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, some of the worse corporate criminals I&#8217;ve met in higher education have called themselves liberals.  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t believe I believe it only goes one way.  </p>
<p>Rotten people abound no matter what group they espouse and they only serve to make the group itself appear vile.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgotthardt - Thank you for the compliment.

Here is what I mean when I talk about bias in the news media.  When you complimented me, you you gave others, the not &quot;True Conservatives&quot;, the back of your hand.  Why?  I suggest you think about that and remember that while the much of news media would like us to believe otherwise, hatred in America has little to nothing to do with Conservatism. Does anyone have to be a Conservative to demonize their opposition?  Of course not, and I hope you do not believe that they do.

Anyone can hate.  All people do hate.  All we have to do to hate is to forget for a moment to put ourselves in the shoes of the object of our hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgotthardt &#8211; Thank you for the compliment.</p>
<p>Here is what I mean when I talk about bias in the news media.  When you complimented me, you you gave others, the not &#8220;True Conservatives&#8221;, the back of your hand.  Why?  I suggest you think about that and remember that while the much of news media would like us to believe otherwise, hatred in America has little to nothing to do with Conservatism. Does anyone have to be a Conservative to demonize their opposition?  Of course not, and I hope you do not believe that they do.</p>
<p>Anyone can hate.  All people do hate.  All we have to do to hate is to forget for a moment to put ourselves in the shoes of the object of our hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgotthardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do.  What I can&#039;t deal with, however, is extremes on either end.  While strict reporting (i.e. police reports and that kind of thing) tend to be less bias (but not always) the rest of it does lie in the laps of the reporter even if unintentionally.  People choose their words according to how they are accustomed to using them, and this is a matter of conditioning and context.

I also can&#039;t stand rhetoric that induces hatred, and unfortunately, I&#039;ve heard it from people who claim to be conservatives.  True conservatives don&#039;t endorse hate.  Frankly, Tom, we need more conservatives like you who don&#039;t seem to be in the &quot;get them to hate and we shall overcome&quot; camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do.  What I can&#8217;t deal with, however, is extremes on either end.  While strict reporting (i.e. police reports and that kind of thing) tend to be less bias (but not always) the rest of it does lie in the laps of the reporter even if unintentionally.  People choose their words according to how they are accustomed to using them, and this is a matter of conditioning and context.</p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t stand rhetoric that induces hatred, and unfortunately, I&#8217;ve heard it from people who claim to be conservatives.  True conservatives don&#8217;t endorse hate.  Frankly, Tom, we need more conservatives like you who don&#8217;t seem to be in the &#8220;get them to hate and we shall overcome&#8221; camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgotthardt - It is quite obvious the news media fears some folks, but that is another story.  

Suffice to say the coverage the presidential elections was the most biased I have seen in my lifetime.  To some extent, even the Washington Post had to admit the bias (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111403057.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) -- after the election, of course.

As a Conservative, I almost cannot help but see both Conservative news coverage (what little there is), and mainstream news media coverage (the vast majority being Liberal news sources).  When I compare the two, only then do I claim to have some idea of what is going on.  I suggest that you too consider both sides of the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgotthardt &#8211; It is quite obvious the news media fears some folks, but that is another story.  </p>
<p>Suffice to say the coverage the presidential elections was the most biased I have seen in my lifetime.  To some extent, even the Washington Post had to admit the bias (see <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111403057.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>) &#8212; after the election, of course.</p>
<p>As a Conservative, I almost cannot help but see both Conservative news coverage (what little there is), and mainstream news media coverage (the vast majority being Liberal news sources).  When I compare the two, only then do I claim to have some idea of what is going on.  I suggest that you too consider both sides of the news.</p>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgotthardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I&#039;m not sure why you think the media fears ANYONE.  I tend to think they like dirt wherever they can find it, especially during elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I&#8217;m not sure why you think the media fears ANYONE.  I tend to think they like dirt wherever they can find it, especially during elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgotthardt - I did not ask why Republicans lost the election.  I offered up Beefelt&#039;s conclusions.  For the most part, the subject of this post is what the PWCGOP is doing to win the next election.

In 2012, Sarah Palin may end up being the Republican Party&#039;s presidential candidate.  I think she could be a good choice, but I have no reason to decide now.  

What will 2012 be like?  Undoubtedly, like yourself, many will still believe that Palin cost the GOP this election.  I fear too many let what hear from the news media provide too much of the context for their thoughts.  Few Republicans believe Palin cost the GOP the election.  Many voted for McCain because of Palin.

Palin became the big story of this election.  Why? There are two reasons. 
	
1.	The news media FEARS Sarah Palin. The news media did its best to trash her reputation.  Because they FEAR Sarah Palin, the news media is still gunning for her.  If Palin was as ineffective as you say, that would not be happening.
2.	The news media long ago ran out of things to say about Barack Obama.  In fact, if they wanted Obama to win, the less said the better.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgotthardt &#8211; I did not ask why Republicans lost the election.  I offered up Beefelt&#8217;s conclusions.  For the most part, the subject of this post is what the PWCGOP is doing to win the next election.</p>
<p>In 2012, Sarah Palin may end up being the Republican Party&#8217;s presidential candidate.  I think she could be a good choice, but I have no reason to decide now.  </p>
<p>What will 2012 be like?  Undoubtedly, like yourself, many will still believe that Palin cost the GOP this election.  I fear too many let what hear from the news media provide too much of the context for their thoughts.  Few Republicans believe Palin cost the GOP the election.  Many voted for McCain because of Palin.</p>
<p>Palin became the big story of this election.  Why? There are two reasons. </p>
<p>1.	The news media FEARS Sarah Palin. The news media did its best to trash her reputation.  Because they FEAR Sarah Palin, the news media is still gunning for her.  If Palin was as ineffective as you say, that would not be happening.<br />
2.	The news media long ago ran out of things to say about Barack Obama.  In fact, if they wanted Obama to win, the less said the better.</p>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgotthardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you asked why the Republicans lost the election.  That&#039;s my answer.  Whether Palin was maligned by the media or not, that&#039;s why Obama won, IMHO.  It&#039;s not about me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you asked why the Republicans lost the election.  That&#8217;s my answer.  Whether Palin was maligned by the media or not, that&#8217;s why Obama won, IMHO.  It&#8217;s not about me <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgotthardt - I will lay odds your research on the presidential candidates was almost solely conducted using resources provided by the traditional mainstream news media.  That is not good enough.

Few human beings reach anything approaching perfection.  None of us are really qualified for the job of leading an entire nation.  Nonetheless, we have to choose somebody.  So we are stuck trying to find the least unqualified.  With our choice of Obama and Biden, I have serious concerns.  In this case, I think we would have been hard put to find any pair less qualified.

Whatever else anyone wants to say about Bush and Cheney, they pretty much did what they said they would do.  Until the passage of time unearthed this mortgage lending debacle, the worst things Bush did was to spend a bit too much money and promote an amnesty program for illegal immigrants.  We now know Bush and Cheney did not work hard enough soon enough to undo the damage of previous administrations and earlier Congresses.

Obama and the Democratic Congress promise to make the economic fiasco they created into a bigger mess.  Their solution is more of the same idiocy that got us into this mess.  McCain/Palin and the Republican Party may have done much the same thing, but I doubt it.  The Fed pumping hundreds of billions into banks and a humongous bailout package just is not enough for the Democrats.  We need a humongous stimulus package too.  At the same time, Obama promises to restrain spending.  :roll:

The only predicable thing about Obama is that whenever he says anything, he will say it with unflappable confidence.  :cool:

I wonder how long it will be -- if ever -- before people see through this empty facade.  Audacious boldness is no substitute for character.  Lofty words from a silver tongue do not equate to moral leadership.  A demagogue by any other name is still a demagogue.  Whenever a politician makes glowing promises of wealth stolen from others, we know he is rotten thief.  Just because he promised those who voted for him to be their thief does not mean he deserves their trust.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.  -- Gerald R. Ford&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgotthardt &#8211; I will lay odds your research on the presidential candidates was almost solely conducted using resources provided by the traditional mainstream news media.  That is not good enough.</p>
<p>Few human beings reach anything approaching perfection.  None of us are really qualified for the job of leading an entire nation.  Nonetheless, we have to choose somebody.  So we are stuck trying to find the least unqualified.  With our choice of Obama and Biden, I have serious concerns.  In this case, I think we would have been hard put to find any pair less qualified.</p>
<p>Whatever else anyone wants to say about Bush and Cheney, they pretty much did what they said they would do.  Until the passage of time unearthed this mortgage lending debacle, the worst things Bush did was to spend a bit too much money and promote an amnesty program for illegal immigrants.  We now know Bush and Cheney did not work hard enough soon enough to undo the damage of previous administrations and earlier Congresses.</p>
<p>Obama and the Democratic Congress promise to make the economic fiasco they created into a bigger mess.  Their solution is more of the same idiocy that got us into this mess.  McCain/Palin and the Republican Party may have done much the same thing, but I doubt it.  The Fed pumping hundreds of billions into banks and a humongous bailout package just is not enough for the Democrats.  We need a humongous stimulus package too.  At the same time, Obama promises to restrain spending.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The only predicable thing about Obama is that whenever he says anything, he will say it with unflappable confidence.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be &#8212; if ever &#8212; before people see through this empty facade.  Audacious boldness is no substitute for character.  Lofty words from a silver tongue do not equate to moral leadership.  A demagogue by any other name is still a demagogue.  Whenever a politician makes glowing promises of wealth stolen from others, we know he is rotten thief.  Just because he promised those who voted for him to be their thief does not mean he deserves their trust.</p>
<blockquote><p>A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.  &#8212; Gerald R. Ford</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgotthardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah....I just listened to her and read her bio.  Then the more she talked, the more embarassed I was for her.  Sorry, but she sounds as dippy as I do when I&#039;m in one of my moods!  The very thought of either of us put into a presidential position horrified me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah&#8230;.I just listened to her and read her bio.  Then the more she talked, the more embarassed I was for her.  Sorry, but she sounds as dippy as I do when I&#8217;m in one of my moods!  The very thought of either of us put into a presidential position horrified me <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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