<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: THE UTOPIAN DREAMS OF THOMAS PAINE</title>
	<atom:link href="http://citizentom.com/2008/09/09/the-utopian-dreams-of-thomas-paine/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/09/09/the-utopian-dreams-of-thomas-paine/</link>
	<description>Welcome to Conservative commentary from Gainesville, Virginia. That&#039;s OUTSIDE the Beltway.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:50:27 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
		<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/09/09/the-utopian-dreams-of-thomas-paine/#comment-14315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kgotthardt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citizentom.wordpress.com/?p=1893#comment-14315</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[WBW, I agree and love how you put:  &quot;In these times that try men’s souls, those without souls need to be tried and convicted.&quot;  But a radical shut-down of the reserve or any part of our economic infrastructure would only yield financial and social choas.  We need a better solution, one that includes reducing these criminals to middle class inmates.  If the American people feel justice is being done, we will be more likely to invest in a reasonable solution proposed by Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBW, I agree and love how you put:  &#8220;In these times that try men’s souls, those without souls need to be tried and convicted.&#8221;  But a radical shut-down of the reserve or any part of our economic infrastructure would only yield financial and social choas.  We need a better solution, one that includes reducing these criminals to middle class inmates.  If the American people feel justice is being done, we will be more likely to invest in a reasonable solution proposed by Congress.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
		<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/09/09/the-utopian-dreams-of-thomas-paine/#comment-14314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kgotthardt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citizentom.wordpress.com/?p=1893#comment-14314</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Well, wow. I like when you do these more academic posts, Tom.  Learning from history is something we fail to do as a country.  So thank you for contributing to the elevation of our minds.

I especially appreciated this quote:  &quot;Reason, like time, will make its own way, and prejudice will fall in a combat with interest.&quot;

So, how do you point out this is happening right now when no one will listen?  How do we convince our government to stop bankrupting us with their prejudice?  (And how do I make this comment box text larger so I don&#039;t make my near-sightedness worse?)

The reason revolution happens as revolution is a direct response to government&#039;s not listening.  Revolution will never be timely, as Paine says is more logical because &quot;the people&#039;s&quot; experiences are not the same as the leaders&#039;.  For example, I can rant and rave all day long about how PWC has wasted our money.  I can speak out only to have them ignore me.  I can then march and throw tomatoes if I want in hopes they will listen.  &quot;Are you listening NOW?&quot;  Yet they can ignore me all they want in spite of the democratic system Paine said is so advanced.  Why?  Because human beings are human beings.  They are self-interested and must work hard not to be so.  This takes an effort few politicians are willing to give.  

Finally, if Paine could see Europe right at this moment, he might wonder how the great American dream of a superior government managed to subvert us in the eyes of global financiers he believed were a bit inferior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, wow. I like when you do these more academic posts, Tom.  Learning from history is something we fail to do as a country.  So thank you for contributing to the elevation of our minds.</p>
<p>I especially appreciated this quote:  &#8220;Reason, like time, will make its own way, and prejudice will fall in a combat with interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, how do you point out this is happening right now when no one will listen?  How do we convince our government to stop bankrupting us with their prejudice?  (And how do I make this comment box text larger so I don&#8217;t make my near-sightedness worse?)</p>
<p>The reason revolution happens as revolution is a direct response to government&#8217;s not listening.  Revolution will never be timely, as Paine says is more logical because &#8220;the people&#8217;s&#8221; experiences are not the same as the leaders&#8217;.  For example, I can rant and rave all day long about how PWC has wasted our money.  I can speak out only to have them ignore me.  I can then march and throw tomatoes if I want in hopes they will listen.  &#8220;Are you listening NOW?&#8221;  Yet they can ignore me all they want in spite of the democratic system Paine said is so advanced.  Why?  Because human beings are human beings.  They are self-interested and must work hard not to be so.  This takes an effort few politicians are willing to give.  </p>
<p>Finally, if Paine could see Europe right at this moment, he might wonder how the great American dream of a superior government managed to subvert us in the eyes of global financiers he believed were a bit inferior.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patrick Hutchinson</title>
		<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/09/09/the-utopian-dreams-of-thomas-paine/#comment-14309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Hutchinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citizentom.wordpress.com/?p=1893#comment-14309</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Paine Rides Again - September 24, 2008
from www.thomaspainereturns.net

These are the times that try men&#039;s souls. 

This short motto has echoed for centuries. It gave strength to American patriots in 1776 as it propelled them to liberty. This motto is alive and just as appropriate today as it was at the beginning of the Revolution. 

Freedom was won, but corruption soon crept in. What was once a proud banner now often strikes terror in the hearts of people. 

Have people become too complacent with modern living? Have people forgotten the tyranny of subjugation to a king? Have people forgotten the horrors of slavery? Will they wake up before it is too late? 

When the new nation was a toddler, it took on a national bank. Jefferson caused that bank to be closed down, but others kept bringing it back. Today, the national bank is called the Federal Reserve. It should never have existed centuries ago, and it certainly should not exist today. 

The present world economic crisis can be traced right to the Federal Reserve. So many nations are linked to the American economy that they are now victims of the Federal Reserve&#039;s manipulation. 

Most people mistakenly think that the Federal Reserve is a government bank. If it were, then all the interest it earns would be ploughed back into the American system, hence the national debt would be zero. That is, the Americans would only owe the interest to themselves. However, the interest is collected by individuals and groups. Those who own the Federal Reserve Bank collect the interest for themselves, and make themselves extremely wealthy at the expense of American taxpayers. 

The Federal Reserve charges interest on every dollar in existence, whether paper or otherwise. The owners rake off this interest. Many banks have failed, are failing or will soon fail in America. They are failing because the Federal Reserve has become so greedy that banks can barely operate in the environment. The Federal Reserve takes almost all the profits from the banking industry and only provides scraps to its subservient banks. 

The banks have to scrape and maul their customers to survive in this critical time. So, the banks become ruthless. Nobody cares for the banks because they are ruthless. Further, many of the banks have turned to unlawful activities just to stay afloat. The cause of all this disarray is the Federal Reserve. 

Shut the Federal Reserve down tomorrow and things will begin to improve. Ban any national banks, and it will be a long-term solution. The small group of people who are taking all the interest from the Federal Reserve should be charged and tried for their horrible crimes against all the people in the world. 

Not only is America affected, but the entire world is being fleeced by the Federal Reserve, because the whole world is impacted by American commerce and banking. 

In these times that try men&#039;s souls, those without souls need to be tried and convicted. They are the culprits. They are the criminals. They are the evil slave masters. 

W.B.W. Light-Rider
September 24, 2008]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Paine Rides Again &#8211; September 24, 2008<br />
from <a href="http://www.thomaspainereturns.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.thomaspainereturns.net</a></p>
<p>These are the times that try men&#8217;s souls. </p>
<p>This short motto has echoed for centuries. It gave strength to American patriots in 1776 as it propelled them to liberty. This motto is alive and just as appropriate today as it was at the beginning of the Revolution. </p>
<p>Freedom was won, but corruption soon crept in. What was once a proud banner now often strikes terror in the hearts of people. </p>
<p>Have people become too complacent with modern living? Have people forgotten the tyranny of subjugation to a king? Have people forgotten the horrors of slavery? Will they wake up before it is too late? </p>
<p>When the new nation was a toddler, it took on a national bank. Jefferson caused that bank to be closed down, but others kept bringing it back. Today, the national bank is called the Federal Reserve. It should never have existed centuries ago, and it certainly should not exist today. </p>
<p>The present world economic crisis can be traced right to the Federal Reserve. So many nations are linked to the American economy that they are now victims of the Federal Reserve&#8217;s manipulation. </p>
<p>Most people mistakenly think that the Federal Reserve is a government bank. If it were, then all the interest it earns would be ploughed back into the American system, hence the national debt would be zero. That is, the Americans would only owe the interest to themselves. However, the interest is collected by individuals and groups. Those who own the Federal Reserve Bank collect the interest for themselves, and make themselves extremely wealthy at the expense of American taxpayers. </p>
<p>The Federal Reserve charges interest on every dollar in existence, whether paper or otherwise. The owners rake off this interest. Many banks have failed, are failing or will soon fail in America. They are failing because the Federal Reserve has become so greedy that banks can barely operate in the environment. The Federal Reserve takes almost all the profits from the banking industry and only provides scraps to its subservient banks. </p>
<p>The banks have to scrape and maul their customers to survive in this critical time. So, the banks become ruthless. Nobody cares for the banks because they are ruthless. Further, many of the banks have turned to unlawful activities just to stay afloat. The cause of all this disarray is the Federal Reserve. </p>
<p>Shut the Federal Reserve down tomorrow and things will begin to improve. Ban any national banks, and it will be a long-term solution. The small group of people who are taking all the interest from the Federal Reserve should be charged and tried for their horrible crimes against all the people in the world. </p>
<p>Not only is America affected, but the entire world is being fleeced by the Federal Reserve, because the whole world is impacted by American commerce and banking. </p>
<p>In these times that try men&#8217;s souls, those without souls need to be tried and convicted. They are the culprits. They are the criminals. They are the evil slave masters. </p>
<p>W.B.W. Light-Rider<br />
September 24, 2008</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

