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		<title>By: Citizen Tom</title>
		<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/07/16/election-2008-pro-and-cons-barack-obama-website-review/#comment-14475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Citizen Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bmiller - Some people have strange ideas about the flag.  Some self professed Christians have unusual ideas about giving an oath with their hand on the Bible.  And some people have an odd attitude towards the pledge.  How does Obama stand on these things?  I can guess, but I have yet to check.  What concerns me is Obama&#039;s philosophy on governing.  That is reason enough to vote for the other guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bmiller &#8211; Some people have strange ideas about the flag.  Some self professed Christians have unusual ideas about giving an oath with their hand on the Bible.  And some people have an odd attitude towards the pledge.  How does Obama stand on these things?  I can guess, but I have yet to check.  What concerns me is Obama&#8217;s philosophy on governing.  That is reason enough to vote for the other guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bmiller</title>
		<link>http://citizentom.com/2008/07/16/election-2008-pro-and-cons-barack-obama-website-review/#comment-14473</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is it true that Obama will not put his hand on the bible to be sworn in office and I also heard he doesn&#039;t believe in the pledge of allegiance. Is this ture

confused]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it true that Obama will not put his hand on the bible to be sworn in office and I also heard he doesn&#8217;t believe in the pledge of allegiance. Is this ture</p>
<p>confused</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I find more than ironic is that the best suited candidates running for president were weeded out early on...which means of course neither Obama or McCain are my choice for president and my vote for that office will be a write in.

The media, conservative and liberal alike, gutted Ron Paul, my first and only choice on the right, and Edwards and Biden as choices one and two in no certain order on the left.

Would anyone like to bet against that no matter which of the two current runners gets elected, very little is going to change positively or give any real relief &quot;of any type&quot; to the citizenry of this nation.

I pretty well think that anyone that isn&#039;t intellectually retarded recognizes that our elected officials aren&#039;t the people  making law and overseeing the running of our government activities on any basis.   

As well I pretty well think that anyone that isn&#039;t intellectually retarded recognizes that our elected officials have been and continue to be bribed off by entities outside of our government that are actually running the entire show.  If this was not an actual fact then this nation would not be in the across the board dire straits its presently in.

And in case if people  still keeping the faith haven&#039;t begun to notice this entire raw deal is turning on the perpetrators and is now starting to bite them in their greedy butts and things will have to start turning around that is UNLESS the intentions of our malversationist elect and their equally corrupt outside government steersmen is to take this nation into an unrecoverable depression that will make the Great Depression of the 1930&#039;s look like a one day beach picnic.

The one critical thing, a very old adage all these corrupt big shots inside and outside or government have forgotten is that &quot;the masters are just as closely bound to the slaves as the slaves are closely bound to their masters, one not having the ability to exist without the other.&quot;

Aside mom and pop organizations, it may be the moneyed people and the brains that start a business but it is the people that work for them that make the business grow a fact known by people like  Gates, Walden, Ford, Rockefeller, Bell, Vought, and hundreds of others that actually grew industry empires by treating their employees as people rather than as expendable commodities to be used up and replaced.

Greed generated from the top is why our nation&#039;s businesses are no longer able to compete in a idiotically adhered to global economy world.

Jingoism may not be the best continued method to preserve a nation, but from time to time, in order to survive national sovereignty aka jingoism and jingoists must be a nation&#039;s leadership&#039;s paramount thought even, and especially when it hurts them personally.

Anyone in doubt that this is not self evident truth should ask themselves just exactly what and where &quot;free trade and globalism&quot; has gotten this nation thus far outside of digging us all into a deeper and deeper hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find more than ironic is that the best suited candidates running for president were weeded out early on&#8230;which means of course neither Obama or McCain are my choice for president and my vote for that office will be a write in.</p>
<p>The media, conservative and liberal alike, gutted Ron Paul, my first and only choice on the right, and Edwards and Biden as choices one and two in no certain order on the left.</p>
<p>Would anyone like to bet against that no matter which of the two current runners gets elected, very little is going to change positively or give any real relief &#8220;of any type&#8221; to the citizenry of this nation.</p>
<p>I pretty well think that anyone that isn&#8217;t intellectually retarded recognizes that our elected officials aren&#8217;t the people  making law and overseeing the running of our government activities on any basis.   </p>
<p>As well I pretty well think that anyone that isn&#8217;t intellectually retarded recognizes that our elected officials have been and continue to be bribed off by entities outside of our government that are actually running the entire show.  If this was not an actual fact then this nation would not be in the across the board dire straits its presently in.</p>
<p>And in case if people  still keeping the faith haven&#8217;t begun to notice this entire raw deal is turning on the perpetrators and is now starting to bite them in their greedy butts and things will have to start turning around that is UNLESS the intentions of our malversationist elect and their equally corrupt outside government steersmen is to take this nation into an unrecoverable depression that will make the Great Depression of the 1930&#8242;s look like a one day beach picnic.</p>
<p>The one critical thing, a very old adage all these corrupt big shots inside and outside or government have forgotten is that &#8220;the masters are just as closely bound to the slaves as the slaves are closely bound to their masters, one not having the ability to exist without the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside mom and pop organizations, it may be the moneyed people and the brains that start a business but it is the people that work for them that make the business grow a fact known by people like  Gates, Walden, Ford, Rockefeller, Bell, Vought, and hundreds of others that actually grew industry empires by treating their employees as people rather than as expendable commodities to be used up and replaced.</p>
<p>Greed generated from the top is why our nation&#8217;s businesses are no longer able to compete in a idiotically adhered to global economy world.</p>
<p>Jingoism may not be the best continued method to preserve a nation, but from time to time, in order to survive national sovereignty aka jingoism and jingoists must be a nation&#8217;s leadership&#8217;s paramount thought even, and especially when it hurts them personally.</p>
<p>Anyone in doubt that this is not self evident truth should ask themselves just exactly what and where &#8220;free trade and globalism&#8221; has gotten this nation thus far outside of digging us all into a deeper and deeper hole.</p>
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		<title>By: kgotthardt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, while I like Obama&#039;s spirit and war policy, there are some things I don&#039;t like about his campaign.  The first is, if he is so successful at raising campaign funds, why is the Dem. party calling ME for money?  I told them I&#039;m between jobs and have no income.  Do you know what they said to me?  &quot;Well you can still do something with a small gift...&quot;  Obama has more money than I do.  Perhaps he could give ME a small gift.  This asking for money business is out of control.  Anyone that would ask someone between contracts for money is not concerned about the common people.

The second time they called, I just said, &quot;Sorry&quot; and hung up before they could even talk.  I hate being rude like that, but apparently they warrant rude.

Okay, now you said, &quot;Any crime is a hate crime.&quot;  I&#039;m assuming you mean violent crimes because not all theft, larceny, etc. are hate crimes, obviously.  As far as victimhood, I&#039;m not sure about that.  Who would argue, for example, that the disabled and elderly who cannot protect themselves should NOT receive protection from the legal branch of government?  What about those who actually have fewer rights than others or are culturally shunned or abused?  What about people whose religion is unpopular and sets them up as targets?  I think the intent is to protect those who historically have been picked on and were/are unable to defend themselves. Expanding the scope of hate crimes sends a clear message:  STOP BULLYING.

On the other hand, there are those, unfortunately, who abuse the system (we have those folks in every system).  This gives the system itself a bad name and makes a mockery of the very protection given to the more defenseless among us.  And it does promote the culture of victimhood and enabling we do NOT want.

People who work with people usually have good intentions.  The intent is NOT to enable but to help others move on.  Still, we cannot FORCE people to move on, so some do end up wanting to live off a system designed to legitimately protect.

I know I&#039;m about tired of getting picked on because of my gender and disabilities.  I&#039;m not crying &quot;disabled&quot; here because I&#039;m not totally disabled by any means, and there are literally billions who are so far worse off than I am.  But it seems that certain groups of people end up more than the butt (excuse my pun on myself) of people&#039;s bad jokes.  They end up being taken advantage of and worse.  Unless private groups step up to the plate and make it stop (via intervention, courts, or whatever it takes), then it WON&#039;T stop because we always have the spiteful among us.

So I understand expanding the scope at the national level. It&#039;s up to all of us to make sure we do not need to USE that expansion.  We cannot let hate run our lives or our communities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, while I like Obama&#8217;s spirit and war policy, there are some things I don&#8217;t like about his campaign.  The first is, if he is so successful at raising campaign funds, why is the Dem. party calling ME for money?  I told them I&#8217;m between jobs and have no income.  Do you know what they said to me?  &#8220;Well you can still do something with a small gift&#8230;&#8221;  Obama has more money than I do.  Perhaps he could give ME a small gift.  This asking for money business is out of control.  Anyone that would ask someone between contracts for money is not concerned about the common people.</p>
<p>The second time they called, I just said, &#8220;Sorry&#8221; and hung up before they could even talk.  I hate being rude like that, but apparently they warrant rude.</p>
<p>Okay, now you said, &#8220;Any crime is a hate crime.&#8221;  I&#8217;m assuming you mean violent crimes because not all theft, larceny, etc. are hate crimes, obviously.  As far as victimhood, I&#8217;m not sure about that.  Who would argue, for example, that the disabled and elderly who cannot protect themselves should NOT receive protection from the legal branch of government?  What about those who actually have fewer rights than others or are culturally shunned or abused?  What about people whose religion is unpopular and sets them up as targets?  I think the intent is to protect those who historically have been picked on and were/are unable to defend themselves. Expanding the scope of hate crimes sends a clear message:  STOP BULLYING.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are those, unfortunately, who abuse the system (we have those folks in every system).  This gives the system itself a bad name and makes a mockery of the very protection given to the more defenseless among us.  And it does promote the culture of victimhood and enabling we do NOT want.</p>
<p>People who work with people usually have good intentions.  The intent is NOT to enable but to help others move on.  Still, we cannot FORCE people to move on, so some do end up wanting to live off a system designed to legitimately protect.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m about tired of getting picked on because of my gender and disabilities.  I&#8217;m not crying &#8220;disabled&#8221; here because I&#8217;m not totally disabled by any means, and there are literally billions who are so far worse off than I am.  But it seems that certain groups of people end up more than the butt (excuse my pun on myself) of people&#8217;s bad jokes.  They end up being taken advantage of and worse.  Unless private groups step up to the plate and make it stop (via intervention, courts, or whatever it takes), then it WON&#8217;T stop because we always have the spiteful among us.</p>
<p>So I understand expanding the scope at the national level. It&#8217;s up to all of us to make sure we do not need to USE that expansion.  We cannot let hate run our lives or our communities.</p>
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