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NO DEBATES? WHY NOT?

campaign.pngHere is something mystifying. Bob Marshall wants to debate Jim Gilmore. Unfortunately, Gilmore has other ideas.

“We are past the point of debates,” Gilmore spokeswoman Ana Gamonal said. “Seventy-five percent of the delegates already have been elected, and they know where Jim Gilmore stands.” (from here)

Why doesn’t Gilmore want to debate Marshall? What does he have to lose? Would Gilmore be lending credibility to a fringe candidate? That does not seem likely. Press reports about how well each candidate is doing are somewhat mixed. Portraying little confidence in this report, the Richmond Times-Dispatch tells us that Gilmore campaign is comfortable with its lead.

Republican leaders say the long-standing party ties of Gilmore, Virginia’s governor from 1998 to 2002, have attracted a majority of the delegates chosen so far, about three-quarters through the delegate selection process.

“I feel pretty confident that particularly in the Richmond area there is a lot of support for Jim Gilmore,” said Linwood Cobb of Henrico County, the 7th District Republican chairman.

But Cobb cautioned that a lot of delegates remain to be chosen in the district, including delegates from Henrico.

Republicans will choose their nominee May 31 at a convention at the Greater Richmond Convention Center. The winner will take on former Gov. Mark R. Warner, a Democrat, in the general election Nov. 4.

Almost 75 percent of the delegates have been selected. Marshall, with the type of activist followers who tend to show up at conventions, is still in a position to win, political commentator Steve Farnsworth said.

“It’s very much a turnout contest,” the University of Mary Washington political scientist said. (from here)

The Washington Post assessment suggests even more doubts about who might win.

But both campaigns are essentially guessing at their level of support. Many of the local GOP committees have not released final delegate lists, meaning the campaigns are making assumptions based on whom they saw at the local meetings.

Adding to the uncertainty, some delegates may be able to cast as many as 25 separate votes for the same candidate while others get just fractions of a vote. The discrepancy arises because each county and city is given a certain number of votes — based on the performance of recent Republican candidates in those areas — regardless of how many people sign up to be delegates.

“Anyone who tells you they have a vote count right now is fooling you,” said GOP strategist J. Kenneth Klinge, a Marshall supporter from Northern Virginia. (from here)

This is a close race. Both Gilmore and Marshall are serious candidates. Because the outcome is in such doubt, turnout will decide the outcome.

So does Gilmore have something to gain by debating Marshall? I think so — if Gilmore can win debates with Marshall. By successfully debating Marshall, Gilmore can increase interest in his campaign and increase delegate turnout. In addition, Gilmore can build momentum for a campaign against Mark Warner, and Gilmore needs such momentum. No matter which candidate wins the Republican nomination, be it Gilmore or Marshall, the Republican Party’s candidate will be the underdog.

Gilmore, a Republican, has raised $747,000 since announcing his candidacy last fall. He had $208,000 left in his treasury on March 31.

Gilmore is opposed for the Republican nomination by Del. Bob Marshall of Prince William County. The GOP will choose its nominee at a state convention in Richmond on May 30-31.

Marshall reported raising almost $52,000 since entering the race in January and had about a $19,000 balance in his account at the end of March.

The two Republicans have raised much less money than former Gov. Mark Warner, who is unopposed for the Democratic nomination.

Warner, who released his FEC statement last week, raised $2.5 million during the first quarter of the year. Since announcing his candidacy last September, Warner has reaped $6.3 million and had an unspent balance of $4.4 million at the end of March.

Both Gilmore and Marshall have downplayed their financial disadvantages to Warner. (from here)

So what is Gilmore doing? At the 60th Annual Shad Planking, Gilmore pretended Marshall does not exist.

Gilmore completely ignored Marshall during his speech, despite the fact that Republicans will choose between the two at a state convention at the end of May. It’s clear that Gilmore is looking ahead to November. His scant campaign signs were topped with banners touting GOP presidential nominee John McCain and he repeatedly referred to the “Obama-Clinton-Warner ticket” to link Warner with the two Democrats vying for the party’s mantle. (from here)

Gilmore wants us to join him in his pretense Marshall does not exist. That, however, would be foolish. Marshall is an accomplished party stalwart. He has not attacked Gilmore personally nor has he done anything that would weaken Gilmore in a campaign against Warner. There is in fact every reason to believe that a debate between the two would be about issues and benefit whoever wins the Republican Party’s nomination. Such a debate would give both men the opportunity to publicize their differences with Warner and increase the status of the Republican Party’s nominee. Instead of continuing his absurd pretense that he does not have any competition, Gilmore needs to seize the opportunity that this competition can provide him.

Other Views

The right-wing liberal expresses serious doubts about the Gilmore’s campaign’s protestations of inevitable victory (here).

Daniel McCarthy of The American Conservative is rooting for Marshall (here).

Below The Beltway observes Marshall is behind in fundraising (here). Have YOU contributed to Bob Marshall’s campaign yet?

The Family Foundation Blog has some odd observations (here).

Bearing Drift has a Podcast featuring Bob Marshall (see here).

The Mason Conservative just might vote for Marshall (see here).

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  1. April 18, 2008 at 10:11 pm | #1

    Debate what? Name the issue that divides the Party that would benefit the Party by sorting sides?

  2. J. Tyler Ballance
    April 18, 2008 at 11:13 pm | #2

    Mr. Gilmore knows that a large portion of the delegates to the Convention are, like him, part of the “old guard” and he relies on these sycophants to carry his campaign forward, even though his campaign is devoid of any real solutions and offers no hope for progress or prosperity for Virginians. Mr. Gilmore is betting that enough of the “old guard” is still buying that same old Bush-Neocon propaganda, that he doesn’t have to actually offer anything, not even hope for a better future, to secure the Republican nomination.

    Mr. Gilmore and the other Bush-clones represent a very dark chapter in the history of our Republican Party; a time when the Constitution was torn to shreds, when undeclared wars were waged for the benefit of multinational industrial interests, and a time when the power of the federal government was turned against the people.

    Mr. Gilmore and his Neocon allies represent a philosophy of governance that can only be described as government against the People, rather than government for the People. His approach has repeatedly been to champion increased police powers, new punitive laws and more severe penalties, to ensure that more of our citizens were fined or put behind bars.

    His approach was fine with many of the “old guard” Republicans because, just like the Bathist Party in Iraq, as long as the brutality of the government was not directed at them, they saw nothing and felt nothing of the pain being visited upon the rest of the citizens.

    Today, many Republicans have awakened to the fact that Jim Gilmore is not, and has never been their advocate. Indeed, he doesn’t even like the People. So, you see, he is right in that no debates are needed. We know very well who and what he is. We know it is time to be rid of him and the rest of those who have trashed our Constitution and sold us out to multinational interests.

    Hopefully, enough of us who still love freedom and who want to see our federal government’s power returned back to within its Constitutional limits, will be on hand at the Convention to nominate Bob Marshall as our candidate for the U.S. Senate.

  3. April 19, 2008 at 6:51 am | #3

    James – When we have two or more candidates for a nomination, the folks in the party will take sides. The thing that brings us back together behind our nominee is the other party’s nominee.

    So what issue should our candidates debate? They can debate which one of them stands the best chance of winning in November. They can tell us why they believe they are best person to promote the values of the Republican Party.

  4. April 20, 2008 at 6:14 pm | #4

    It would seem that Del. Marshall should challenge LG Bolling and AG McDonnell to a debate on getting Republicans elected state wide.

    What was it that Del. Marshall said about those two proven statewide elected’s?

    JTB:
    I have a sneaking suspicion that you supported Ron Paul? Neo-Con, Old Guard, sycophant, Baathists?

    Did Governor Gilmore accidentally back over your pet or something leaving his driveway?

  5. April 21, 2008 at 11:48 am | #5

    With all due respect, please explain to me what qualifies my post on the Gilmore-Marshall contest as “odd observations”? The post simply cites two sources — The Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Smyth County Conservative — with the former saying Gllmore is ahead and the later saying the controversial big win for Marshall in Tazewell is null and void. Since when is stating facts and citing other sources “odd”? Would love to hear your explanation.

  6. April 21, 2008 at 12:01 pm | #6

    Clarification: Sorry, I clicked submit too fast and didn’t clarify that the “odd observations” comment you referred to was from my post on http://www.familyfoundationblog.com/?p=212. On the other hand, I do want to thank you for reading and mentioning us now and in the past.

  7. April 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm | #7

    Steve Rossie — No insult intended.

    I did not expect what I found on your post.

    Odd – differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.

  1. April 23, 2008 at 12:16 pm | #1